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| subi |
| 12/11/00 at 12:28:31 |
| slm in the mosque that i pray , we pray taraweh as 8+3. i stop after 8 rakahs as i was told that if we start praying witr we should never stop during our lifetime.is this correct? |
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| jannah |
| 12/11/00 at 12:40:19 |
| Subi if you don't pray witr with the imam you do not get the reward like praying all night !! |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/11/00 at 13:21:25 |
| Assalamu alaikum, subi, that's interesting! A similar phrase is often uttered by Pakistanis when their children decide to keep the beard! "If you start growing a beard, you should never cut it in your lifetime." There is no such concept in Islam. Either something is required for you, or it is not. It has nothing to do with whether or not you are doing it! Witr is considered waajib according to the 4 imams (as far as I can remember, someone correct me if I'm wrong). That means that you should pray your witr everyday, period. It is one of those prayers that the Prophet (pbuh) did not used to miss even when he was travelling (along with the rak'ahs of sunnah before Fajr). Jannah, I'm not sure about what you said. We know that the witr should be the last prayer of the night. If I want to pray more naafilah (voluntary prayers) during the night after the 8 rak'ahs of taraweeh in the Masjid, then I should be able to skip the Witr with the jamaa'ah and still get the reward for praying all night. I think the hadith in the Madina News refers to the voluntary prayers that the imam is praying. Witr is not a voluntary prayer. Allah knows best. This should probably be checked with an imam/sheikh. Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| bhaloo |
| 12/11/00 at 13:45:48 |
| slm Regarding the Witr prayer, Dr. Siddiqi said: It is better to make Witr the last prayer of the night. The Prophet -peace be upon him- said, “Make Witr as the last prayer of the night.” (see al-Bukhari, Hadith no. 943) If you are sure that you will get up for the Tahajjud prayer, then you should not pray Witr with ‘Isha prayer and do it after the Tahajjud. However, if you are not sure whether you will be up for the Tahajjud then you should pray Witr with ‘Isha and later if you wake up at Tahajjud time you can pray Tahajjud. You do not have to repeat your Witr. |
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| Kashif |
| 12/11/00 at 14:48:04 |
| assalaamu alaikum What i've been taught, and what combines betwen the evidences on this topic is that you should pray your witr with the imam (with the intention of making them nafl), thus, if you intend to pray later in the night, when the Imam gives salaam you should stand up and complete a fourth rak'ah. In that way you still complete your prayer with the Imam but at the same time you still have the chance to pray more rak'aat before closing with the witr. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/11/00 at 15:48:04 |
| Kashif - that works too! Subhan Allah! Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| Aladdin |
| 12/11/00 at 16:41:03 |
| Salaams, I didn't realise witr was considered "wajib" by all four madhabs. My understanding is that witr is wajib for the Hanifis but not for the Malikis, Shafis and Hanbalis. Is this incorrect? As for the witr prayer being the last one, are we allowed to offer nafl salaat after the witr prayer? Or does witr close our day. I only ask because the Hanafi madhab specifies nafl (two rakahs) after witr. I think I'll start a new thread regarding rakahs in salaat, because it doesn't half confuse me. Wa-Salaams. |
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| bhaloo |
| 12/11/00 at 17:16:58 |
| slm [quote] I didn't realise witr was considered "wajib" by all four madhabs. My understanding is that witr is wajib for the Hanifis but not for the Malikis, Shafis and Hanbalis. Is this incorrect? [/quote] That's what I thought but I didn't want to say anything just yet until I can confirm it for sure. :) I know Sheikh Munajidd said its Sunnah Mukhadda (strongly emphasised Sunnah) and Fiqh us Sunnah says its Sunnah Mukhadda as well. From Fiqh us Sunnah this was mentioned: Fiqh-us-Sunnah Fiqh 2.11b The Witr Prayer Its excellence and justification: The witr prayer is one that the Prophet sallallahu alehi wasallam practiced and which he encouraged others to practice. As such, praying witr comes under as-sunnah al-mu'akkadah. 'Ali says: "The witr prayer is not required like your obligatory prayers, but the Prophet would perform the witr prayer and say: 'O you people [followers] of the Qur'an, perform the witr prayer, for Allah is one and He loves the witr.'" This is related by Ahmad, an-Nasa'i, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, at-Tirmidhi who calls it hasan, and al-Hakim who grades it sahih. The opinion of Abu Hanifah that the witr prayer is obligatory is a weak opinion. Ibn al-Mundhir says: "I don't know anyone who agrees with Abu Hanifah on this point." Ahmad, Abu Dawud, An-Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah record that Al-Mukhdaji [a person of the Kinana tribe] heard from one of the Ansar, nicknamed Abu Muhammad, that the witr prayer is obligatory. He went to 'Ibadah ibn as-Samit and mentioned to him what Abu Muhammad had said. 'Ibadah observed: "Abu Muhammad is mistaken for I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Five prayers are ordained by Allah for his slaves. Whoever fulfills them properly without any shortcoming, he will have a pact with Allah that He will admit him into paradise. Whoever does not do them, he will have no pact with Allah, and if He wills He may punish him and if He wills He may forgive him.'" Also al-Bukhari and Muslim record from Talhah ibn 'Ubaidullah that the Prophet said: "Five prayers during the day and night have been prescribed by Allah." Hearing this a bedouin asked the Prophet: "Is there anything else upon me [in the way of prayer]?" The Prophet said: "No, unless you want to do more voluntarily." |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/11/00 at 22:31:51 |
| Assalamu alaikum, Jazak Allahu Khairan Arshad! I stand corrected. What would we do without you, man? :) Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| BrKhalid |
| 12/12/00 at 06:53:10 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum Okay I don't want to confuse matters here but if you read further on in Fiqh-us-Sunnah it says the following: Fiqh 2.18: Making up a missed witr According to al-Baihaqi and al-Hakim, the majority of the scholars maintain that it is correct to make qada' for a missed witr prayer. Al-Hakim grades the following report by Abu Hurairah as sahih according to the criterion of al-Bukhari and Muslim. Abu Hurairah reports that the Prophet said: "If the morning approaches, and you have yet to pray witr, you should pray the witr prayer." Abu Dawud records from Abu Sa'id al-Khudri that the Prophet said: "If one of you sleeps [past the time of] the witr prayer or he forgets it, he should pray it when he remembers it." Al-'Iraqi says that the chain of this hadith is sahih. Ahmad and at-Tabarani record with a hasan chain that the Prophet sallallahu alehi wasallam would perform the witr prayer in the morning [if, for some reason, he had missed it during the night]. Generally speaking, there is a difference of opinion over what time it may be made up. The Hanafi school holds it should be performed during those times in which it is not forbidden to observe prayers. The followers of Shaf'i say that it may be made up during any time of the night or day, while according to Malik and Ahmad a missed witr prayer is to be made up for after the dawn. Most Hanafi scholars I know regard Witr as Wajib since you are required to make it up if you happen to miss it. [quote]The opinion of Abu Hanifah that the witr prayer is obligatory is a weak opinion. Ibn al-Mundhir says: "I don't know anyone who agrees with Abu Hanifah on this point." [/quote] The quote above is only one view and Hanafi Scholars would argue otherwise. The above goes to prove what we all already know, namely the science of Hadith is complex and there are numerous Hadith on each subject which the scholars of Hadith themselves have different opnions upon. And Allah knows best |
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| mahsou411 |
| 12/12/00 at 11:13:03 |
| slm In witr you have to say a particular duah, correct? What if you do not know the duah by heart. Can you still just pray three rakah and that count as your witr until you memorize the duah? Aminah |
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