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So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Kashif

12/16/00 at 17:33:30

assalaamu alaikum

While figures for voting showed that the Muslim vote nationally was insignificant, *some* Muslims voted for this administration to be put into office... hmmmmmm

Powell calls for 're-energized' Iraq sanctions

CRAWFORD, Texas, Dec 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State-designate Colin Powell said on Saturday he would work with American allies to breathe new life into sanctions against Iraq.

Powell, who as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff oversaw the U.S. military during the Gulf War, said Iraq had not lived up to the obligations of the 1991 truce, which called for Baghdad to account for any weapons of mass destruction it possessed and arms technologies programs.

"They have not yet fulfilled those agreements and my judgment is that sanctions in some form must be kept in place until they do so," Powell said. "
We will work with our allies to re-energize the sanctions regime."

Powell was responding to a reporter's question during the ceremony at which President-elect George W. Bush named him to the top U.S. foreign policy post.

Regarding Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Powell said he was sitting on a failed regime.

"We are in the strong position," Powell said. "He is in the weak position. And I think it's possible to re-energize those sanctions and continue to contain him and then confront him should that become necessary."

In the U.S.-led Gulf War that ejected Iraqi troops from Kuwait, Powell served under Bush's father, then-President George Bush.

Even though he lost reelection to Bill Clinton in 1992, former President Bush is still the man Iraqis love to hate, after a war that devastated their country and 10 years of sanctions that have crippled the Iraqi economy.

This year, sanctions against Iraq have been eroded, with many countries, including Russia, France and Arab countries resuming flights to Baghdad and moving to revive trade with the oil-rich state.

13:49 12-16-00

NS
Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Sara

12/16/00 at 19:47:35

I knew that once Bush would become president that things would be the same or just get worse.
If only Ralph Nader was the President....

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Rashid

12/16/00 at 23:54:35

slm

Yep, Bore/Gosh (Bush/Gore, same thing). I knew nothing would change, they both are in love with Israel and both approved of continuing sanctions against Iraq. I don't understand how something so simple can be made so complicated. Sanctions are not hurting Saddam, they are hurting children. Just because Bush made some comment about secret evidence doesn't mean he's a friend of ours. And i don't get this obsession with Powell either. Ok he'll be the highest appointed black person in US history, but there's nothing progressive about him. You'd think someone who grew up in the south bronx would know what time it is

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
humble_muslim

12/17/00 at 14:12:08

Please recall my post after the elections had closed, about my prediction that in four years time the muslims would be no better off.

Also see the post about the defomrities seen in Iraqi born babies.

All you US muslims who talked so much about voting in the elections, about endorsing Bush, about how great it would be if Bush got in power instead of Gore, and who voted for Bush, look at those pictures, and remind yourself that you have just contibuted to making the situation worse.

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Saleema

12/17/00 at 15:20:55

All you US muslims who talked so much about voting in the elections, about endorsing Bush, about how great it would be if Bush got in power instead of Gore, and who voted for Bush, look at those pictures, and remind yourself that you have just contibuted to making the situation worse.

we haven't done anything to make the situation worse for our Muslim brothers and sisters! ):(

On the other hand, we have accomplished a lot! Let the scholars of North America and let us deal with it, those that don't agree with us, we don't care. Those of you who sit at home and do nothing but criticize, how has that helped???

wassalam

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Sara

12/17/00 at 18:18:56

Assalam,
First of all,I didn't vote for either Bush nor Gore! I didn't vote at all because I knew it was impossible for Nader to win.
Also, I agree with Saleema about the people who do nothing but sit at home and criticize.

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Kashif

12/18/00 at 06:48:45

This is what they think of the Muslim voting block. Notice they did not
even acknowledge it. With this being the case, what did "the Muslim voting
block" achieve?

Vote by Religion All Gore Bush Buchanan Nader
Protestant 54 % 42 % 56 % 0 % 2 %
Catholic 26 % 50 % 47 % 1 % 2 %
Jewish 4 % 79 % 19 % 0 % 1 %
Other 6 % 62 % 28 % 1 % 7 %
None 9 % 61 % 30 % 0 % 7 %

Religion - Whites Only All Gore Bush Buchanan Nader
Protestant 56 % 34 % 63 % 1 % 2 %
Catholic 25 % 45 % 52 % 0 % 2 %
Jewish 4 % 80 % 17 % 0 % 1 %
Other 5 % 53 % 35 % 0 % 8 %
None 9 % 57 % 33 % 1 % 8 %

hmmm.. where are the Muslims?

PS Personally i think that those who sit at home and do *absolutely* nothing ought not to put across their views too strongly.
Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
bhaloo

12/17/00 at 19:37:07

slm

I saw that poll at the time of the elections (its from CNN right?) and I really wonder just how accurate that is? ??? The reason I ask is because MPACC (Muslim organization) did their own exit poll after the voting and the results were something like 80% of the Muslims voted for Bush (maybe higher?) and a lot for Nader then Gore.

We shouldn't forget who controls the media here. ;)

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
bhaloo

12/17/00 at 20:56:47

slm

Speaking of CNN I was just watching it right now and Bush made some statement saying that the US is not going to be a world police force and spread its army out throughout the world like Clinton did. The reporter then went on to say, that Bush's statements are consistent with what he has been saying during his campain. The reporter also mentioned that Bush has been vague about the middle east and afghanistan when asked about it. Allahu alam what the deal is there.

Did you guys read the NY Times article with regards to Osama Bin Laddin? In today's paper?

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
humble_muslim

12/17/00 at 23:26:24

AA

Saleema,

I think it's better to sit at home and not take part in an evil action than to take part in the evil action. Saleema, you critcize the Saudis so much, yet you don't seem to have the same level of hatred for the people i.e the US government, who are really behind the suffering of our brothers, sisters and babies in Iraq. In fact by endorsing or voting for them, you are supporting them.

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
bhaloo

12/18/00 at 01:14:02

slm

Regarding voting for kafirs Sheikh Munajidd explained this:

It may be the case that the interests of Islam require Muslims to vote so as to ward off the greater evil and to reduce harmful effects, such as where two candidates may be non-Muslims but one of them is less hostile towards Muslims than the other, and Muslims’ votes will have an impact on the outcome of the election. In such cases there is nothing wrong with Muslims casting their votes in favour of the less evil candidate.

In any case, this is the matter of ijtihaad based on the principle of weighing up the pros and cons, what is in the interests of Islam and what is detrimental. With regard to this matter, we have to refer to the people of knowledge who understand this principle. We should put the question to them, explaining in detail the circumstances and laws in the country where the Muslim community is living, the state of the candidates, the importance of the vote, the likely benefits, and so on.

No one should imagine that anyone who says that it is OK to vote is thereby expressing approval or support for kufr. It is done in the interests of the Muslims, not out of love for kufr and its people. The Muslims rejoiced when the Romans defeated the Persians, as did the Muslims in Abyssinia (Ethiopia) when the Negus defeated those who had challenged his authority. This is well known from history. Whoever wants to be on the safe side and abstain from voting is allowed to do so. This response applies only to elections for influential positions. And Allaah knows best.

NS
Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Saleema

12/18/00 at 16:33:36

Saleema, you critcize the Saudis so much, yet you don't seem to have the same level of hatred for the people i.e the US government

I have every right to criticize the Saudis and whomever else I want to criticize. [color=red]How would you know what's in my heart?![/color] By the way, I criticize the Saud family, NOT the SAUDIS.

In fact by endorsing or voting for them, you are supporting them.[/quote]

I support them when they do something good, (whether for Muslims or non-Muslims), I don't support them when they do something evil, whether its against Muslims or non-Muslims. I support Bush on the abolishment of secret evidence. Why shouldn't I? We couldn't get the bill to be passed under the Clinton administration, but Inshallah, we will be able to under Bush. That indeed will be an accomplishment.

wassalam

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Saleema

12/18/00 at 16:37:32

Assalam ualykum,

Oh and by the way, who was hoping that we would get the American government to lift up the sanctions against Iraq? WE, (as in American Muslims), certainly weren't. And anyone who had hoped so had their heads up in the clouds.

wassalam

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
humble_muslim

12/18/00 at 17:10:39

AA

From Saleema :

This is my prayer: O Allah, humiliate the Saud family, those that deserve the humiliation from amongst them, get rid of unjust tyrants
from the blessed land, and give us a just ruler who will guide the whole of Ummah and not just Saudi Arabia. Ameen.

This was your response to the pictures of the deformed people. I just want to know why your response to Bush, after his secretary of state has made it clear that the suffering of the Iraqis will continue is "I support them when they do something good".

In a hadith, the Prophet SAW said "He who helps an oppressor knowing him to be an opressor has left the religion of Muhammed (SAW)".

May Allah SWT curse with a terrible curse, in this world and the hereafter, those arrogant people who think they rule the world, and who when asked about the suffering of the people in Iraq turn away. May Allah SWT curse them whether they call themselves muslims or whether they are from the kuffar. May Allah SWT especially curse the following :

George Bush
George W Bush
Colin Powell
Madeleine Albright
John Major
David Hannay

any "muslim" leader who supports any of the above.

NS
Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Saleema

12/18/00 at 17:30:50

Assalam ualykum,

Mashallah, Humble_Muslim, how nice of you. From this I gather I'm included in your curse and people like Sheikh Badawi and thousands of others. May Allah guide you and forgive you, and us. Ameen.

wassalam

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Saleema

12/19/00 at 11:18:11

Assalam ualykum,

Humble_Muslim, I just re-read your post, you seem to be stepping the over the line, if you know what I mean. Please don't direct any more comments towards me, and I won't say anything to you either.

PS. I hope bush and his father will rot in hell with the Saud rulers who have oppressed the people. You don't know who I am, or what my opinions are about everyone. Just because you see one sentence written by me that doesn't mean that that's all what my thoughts revolve around. You are so quick to judge, aren't you? What is it that gets you so angry?

You don't think that we care about the rest of the Muslims as much as you do?! If I am so bad, then you aren't any better than me brother because of things that you were trying to imply in your most recent posts.

Wassalam,
and in the future I will not be responding to you because I don't wish to indulge in any arguments with you.
Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
humble_muslim

12/18/00 at 17:47:55

AA

Saleema,

I did NOT curse you. I'm just kind of emotional after seeing the pictures you put up.

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
Saleema

12/18/00 at 17:58:24

Assalam ualykum,

Well in that case, I hope you will forgive me. Those pictures bothered me as well too. I couldn't look at anymore than 5 or so.

Look, our motive in voting isn't what you are thinking it is. Whether we vot or not, the Iraqi problem will be there. We voted more with the Israeli situation in mind and with domestic problems in mind. We aren't accepting magical results over night.

wassalam

Re: So much for hope of dropping Iraqi sanctions
humble_muslim

12/18/00 at 18:03:00

AA,

Saleema,

You are my sister in Islam, I humbly apologize if I got over excited and said something out of line.
It's just that since I read what Powell said about "re-energizing" the sanctions on Iraq, I can't help thinking about the fact that Bush was endorsed by the muslims, and I find this very disturbing.

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