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| [MADRASA] How do you change a Homosexual?? |
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| Anonymous |
| 07/14/01 at 01:31:44 |
| Asalaam-Alaikum brothers & sisters, i was hoping i could get some help or advice from you'll.there is someone in my family who is gay,he says he was this way ever since he was very young.unfortunately,afetr having tried for 16 yrs. to change himself,he tried to commit suiside several times, he has now,unfortunately learned to love himself & strongly believes that allah loves him as well. well,this is not the problem, the problem is he dates men,and commits sodomy and sadly has no sense of guilt at all in his heart after comitting it.we have been trying for soooo long now, but it hasn't been working. i would be extremely greatful if someone, anyone could advice me as to what i can do to help him out. i've heard about psychological therapies,medications,and institutes that deal with this disorder.does any one of you'll know WHERE thesse institutes are,WHAT medicatios are available,are they any good???,ALSO is there an imaam who can help him out,would him joining some type of a madrasa, or some deen intensive program that might help him. I WOULD REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP OR ADVICE FROM YOU'LL. jizak alllah khairan |
| Re: How do you change a HOMOSEXUAL ?? |
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| writeamir |
| 12/25/00 at 03:48:02 |
| Wow, I thought my addiction to candy was bad. Not liking Sisters? That is rough. My recommendation is that you have him see a full-time Imam who has spent a lot of time in this country. If this person is in New York, I recommend Imam Siraj Wahaj(yes, I know that I would recommend him for pretty much everything, but still). Unfortunately, the Ummah in the US is so busy worshipping money that we don't have many psychologists and people in family services. The only person that I know who deals with these kinds of things full-time would probably be Shaykh Ali Suleiman Ali, Director of Muslim Family Services in Detroit. His number is 313-366-6800. I also came across this at http://www.islamic.org.uk/homosex.html. I thought it was pretty good. There is no doubt that in Islam homosexuality is considered 'sinful'. Homosexuality as far as Islam is concerned is a profound mistake ( as are all sins if they are not intending to do wrong). Humans are not homosexuals by nature. People become homosexuals because of their environments. Particularly critical is the environment during puberty. Suggestions, ideas & strange dreams are symptoms of confused attempts to understand new and blunt sexual desires and are rashly interpreted as defining someone as being one sexuality or another. If these conclusions are accompanied by actual homosexual acts they are even more strongly reinforced. Human instincts can be subjected to acts of will. Sexuality is a choice of identity which follows choices of action which follow from choices of what to have sexual fantasies about. Human beings are especially able to control their thoughts, entertaining some and dismissing others. However, if this free will is not recognised it is easy to get into a cycle of thinking which starts from accepting a hypothesis about yourself as true rather than as a possible choice (even if the options are sometimes difficult).For example: "I am lazy " could be supposed true by someone. When the person who thinks this lies around in bed in the morning he observes this inaction as evidence of the statement "I am lazy." As he repeatedly chooses to do so the evidence mounts and the idea becomes fixed in his identity. It may even have physical manifestations and change his physiology and psychology. This process can easily occur for any idea good or bad about the self which is based largely on evidence resulting from ones own action. The idea may be "I am 'gay'" or "I am content" or "I love eating lots of food". The truth is - you are what you choose to be ; you do what you choose to do ; you think what you choose to think. There may be long time delays between the causing choices and the effects but anyone can change themselves. There are reformed ex-drug addicts, reformed ex-compulsive gamblers and ex-homosexuals. In all these sins prevention is 1000 times better than cure and much easier. It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this 'predisposition' are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism. It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men's genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don't make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful. Drinking alcohol will still be regarded as sinful in Islam even if you have a predisposition to be an alcoholic. The trick as every post alcoholic will tell you is never touch another drop after you quit - it is a long slippery slope - your life is better without it. Once a certain desire is connected to your identity strongly and you get in some way hooked on it, it will always be easy to return to it - you are unable to forget the satisfaction. The difficult task is remembering the bad side of the desire, such as hangovers, lost money, self loathing or a simply sense of loss because of what you missed out on. But if you are to change for the better, you must remember this and the past desires you bound up with your identity can become disconnected from what you choose to become. |
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| Zahra |
| 12/25/00 at 17:47:47 |
| slm It saddens me deeply to hear about your family member. Unfortunately, this is a problem which is becoming more and more prevalent among Mulims and thus, is yet another sign of the weak state of our ummah. My advice is this-your family member is not going to change unless he believes he has to. Allah does not compromise with arrogance. As long as your family member can begin to feel that something within him is not adhering to his fitrah (nature)-not matter how large the obstacle may seem-and he wishes to change it-he can always work towards becoming closer to Allah. To push him towards this point, I suggest you find a very skilled, intelligent, keen, likeable, and knowledgeable Muslim who works well with people and is well versed in the din. Try to arrange a time for them (this person and your family member) to meet and it certainly does not have to be formal. They should keep contact with one another and perhaps, insha'Allah, your family member can be influenced, at least towards a different way of thinking. Once he is on that path, he can insha'Allah change indefinitely towards the straight path. There are so many people who have influenced me in my life just by their dispositions and personality. There are always people who have that gift, masha'Allah-the art of influencing people. That's why I feel that a mentor or someone in his life could really help him, insha'Allah. Of course, prayer is the key because we all know it is in Allah's hands. He guides whom He wills and leaves astray whom He wills. -May Allah guide him. |
| Re: How do you change a HOMOSEXUAL ?? |
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| Anonymous |
| 01/11/01 at 14:57:01 |
| salaam! thanks for your help!. i have been extremely worried though. .i do pray for him all the time. but i just don't know what to do,how to go about helping him.he's just gone sooooooo far with this.i've emailed him soooo many articles about homosexuality,quotes from the qur'an,hadiths,etc.etc.but it has now reached a point that he dosn't even reply to my mails anymore & perhaps dosn't even read my emails anymore either.ever since he was 14 yrs.of age,he had a teacher come to his house and teach him the qur'an(both recitation & it's meaning). but that didn't bring any change in him either.he attends islamiclectures every now & then.he prays 5 times a day,fasts,& recites the qur'an regularly as well,but the problem is he relates everything to his lifestyle,i mean like the struggleprophet Muhammed(saws)went through,he compares that to the struggle he & other gays like him are ging through in this world,his so called lifelong struggle to make homosexuality acceptable in this society etc.etc.his major problem is the people he hang around with,all white homosexuals,i mean i've never seen a muslim so close to whites theway he is.he goes clubbing,dates men,commits sodomy etc.etc. the problem is his friends are the so called "high class whites" but homosexuals.he is very active in things like the funraisers forAIDS,charity events(all thses events that are promoted by homosexuals), he also goes to "gay pride parades",he gets a lot of support from his friends,some of whom too though christians seem to think that homosexuality is not really forbidden in thier religion,and who have given him books & articles to read,all trying to justify this act.he goes to every possible gay hangout,gay clubs,gay bars,gay parties.he has also been receiving a lot of support from articles from some of those gay sites like "Al-fatiha","Queer Jihad".brother,i just don't know what to do anymore.i mean he could get AIDS, but that dsn't seem to sacre him at all,but the worst part is he thinks Allah loves him & that Allah does not hate his lifestyle at all. i would be extremely greatful if someone, anyone could advice me as to what i can do to help him out. i've heard about psychological therapies,medications,& institutes that deal with this disorder.does any one of you'll know WHERE thesse institutes are,WHAT medicatios are available,are they any good???, i would really appreciate it if you could just read some of the things he's written to me,perhaps you could advice me as to what i sould do,how shall i go about helping him,or whom can i go to for help,or if there's any x-gay muslims he can talk to etc.etc. ----------------------------- ------------------------------ "i dont have verses & scripture to defend myself.all i have is what i know & feel.this is the way Allah intended for it to happen..all i know is what i know to be innate in me & what i feel is innate..i am as gay as you are straight..how do you know that youre straight? its just the way you are..the way you always have been..the way youare always going to be..the same goes for me -alhamdullilah!Allah made us into tribes and nations sowe may know eachother..and thats exactly what we're doing...alhamdullilah...." "It is only when we start standing up for what we believe,not only to ourselves,but to others,can we truly achieve what we are trying to accomplish. acceptance from our family,our community,& our society.The path of this struggle is paved with pain and suffering,both emotional,spiritual & physical.But we must be strong,& remember the ways of the Prophet(pbuh)& his struggle for truth & justice. For if we truly believe that we are all Allah(swt)'s creation & that He cannot hate us for loving another human being(who may be of the same sex),then Inshallah in the end we will all prevail!" "God doesnt make mistakes!.there's a whole purpose for everything He does..He made us this way..so we can make the decision to live a celibate, lonely, repressed and miserable life..or we could choose to accept ourselves and live our lives as normally as possible, and therefore increase our faith." "....our life long test is to overcome what those wordstell us(that we are wrong & going to hell).it’s a test to see the real LOVE in ALLAH...& that LOVE conquers all..its a test to gay Muslims to see who of us will retain our faith in AL-ISLAM and ALLAH....who will really still Love ALLAH after being "condemned" by Him????it is we gay Muslims who still LOVE ALLAH more than anything..." " i cant make the feelings go away.....& i cant make the feelings be the opposite of what they are....but i can choose to act on them....or i can choose to be miserable (celibacy)...." "WHY DO YOU INSIST ON NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT A PERSON CAN BE GAY< MUSLIM, & MORAL all at the same time!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!???" "i've lived my entire life listening to people like you tell me all this!!!you are not making me a better person, you are only helping me hate myself more and more everyday...that is what i have been working so hard to overcome for the last fifteen years!!!!" "i need to feel accepted about the innate things that are in me that i cannot change...its the heterosexual world that has condemned me so much to the point that gay clubs and bars are the only place I can really meet people like me.....its very rare that i can meet a nice man to potentially have as a life long partner in a grocery store or a library...or at Mosque..." ",i would choose a gay Muslim over a gay Non-Muslim in a heartbeat!!!! but where are they??? the nightclub is the only resort..." "i view all the rules about dating & fornication for straight people as being true...& i see them as being true for gay people as well....but how else am I supposed to meet that special guy in my life without dating in a non-Muslim enviornment???" i have no other way to meet people & be happy!....if we were living in an ideal world where gays were equal with straights & were accepted just as straight people are....i would never fornicate....it would be mother that i would tell...."hey i like aunty's son....hook me up!"...wouldnt that be nice???...but thats not how the world is yet....and that is what our struggle is...to make that ideal world....." ".you see, hate comes from fear....& fear comes from ignorance....once a person gets over their ignorance of a certain something,the fear goes away....& there is then no room for hate....i hope i never think the way dad thinks....its bad....its people who think like that and have nothing better to do that end up doing tear gas attacks on gay pride parades,& picket funerals of the gay deceased,& commit hate crimes against innocent people they dont understand,ever heard of Matthew Shepphard?...he was a young man,barely 18 years old that was beaten to death in a bathroom by two men for being gay...the only way they could even identify Matthew's body was by dental records..(it happens everyday).& you dont want to see the look on his mother's face when she sees the pictures of the crime scene...i met her at a fundraiser..its horrible what ignorance can do..." I first knew i was gay ...my first recolection of gay feelings was when i was 3 or 4 years old...it was like a revelation...all i knew was that i was attracted to men and i was going to be with a man...and that this was a secret i had to keep forever in the community we live in.... thats part of why i believe God made us this way...I know what the Quran says...about Lot and the two angels that came to save Sodom and Gommorah... and how the town was destroyed.....the people of Lot were child molesters, satan worshippers, idolators... they used to have sex openly in public, even rape!.....these people deserved to be punished by Allah!...i'm glad that happened!....gay people of today as you know arent like that...were just like straight people...we have the same goals, dreams..and everything else...we all want to have relationships, get married and have kids!.... believe me i used to pray to Allah everyday that He would change me...but unfortunately there's nothing i can do...ive tried everything i can do short of fornicating (with a woman) just to see if I could actually get myself to do it....nothing has worked...i used to hate myself soooo much that i didnt even mind hurting myself ... just only if the Muslim community wasnt raised to hate people like me.....but unfortunately thats not the case...i believe THAT is the true test....to accept people the way they are instead of condemning them! i'm sure every other gay person in the world has the same life story....did you know that ten percent of the entire world is gay?...that means one out of every ten people you know or come across in day to day life is gay...you just dont know it...or the people themselves may not be at the point where they can accept it....do you know how may people i know that have come out even younger than me??....and on the other hand there are people who come out later in life like their 30s 40s 50s and 60s!! its a life long struggle that we live with...unfortunately many of them get married and have families thinking that they can change themselves only to find out a decade later and with 3 children that they cant hide it anymore...that they just cant live this lie for any longer...they end up in divorce! God doesnt see my life as a sin.if I sleep around i can understand that as being a sin...i'm not sure if I see it as that...because a person who sleeps around to me is in a confused state of mind...and they feel unloved and thats why they sleep around...to get little temporary feelings of being loved..i think its a low self esteem thing....i know earthly law sees it as being a sin....but does God really?....is He really going to condemn this person to hell forever??...i'm not too sure about that....how could God create these trillions of humans that ever lived and give them free will and make it possible to sin...yet they try to live good lives but end up sinning at the same time...He made us microscopic in comparison to Him...and yet expects us to live our lives perfectly, yet making us human?? I dont think God who made us out of Love and Care...could ever condemn a person to hell....unless they were truly evil.... and to clarify one point in your email...i wasnt spending fifteen years trying to convince people that being gay was ok...i've been trying for the last fifteen years to make it go away...but it didnt work...i had a choice then to accept the orientation i was dealt, or to fall further into depression....when you think that God thinks youre wrong and the rest of the world thinks youre wrong...the haraam/halaal issue of suicide means absolutely nothing.... i cant believe people still call it an urge and compare it to criminal activity...an urge is eating too much chocolate or watching too much tv...being gay is nothing like that...and i cant believe a person can compare my love to a crime against kids that scars them for life...i cant believe someone compares my love to killing someone, ending a person's life violently.come on people open your eyes first of all i thank you for your reply....secondly, i'm a good believing Muslim, thirdly i follow the sunnah in nearly every part of my life as much as i can, thirdly, i wish you could understand..., fifthly, this is not an "inclination" it is me to the very core...and there's no escaping it...even if i tried escaping it, i would have a miserable life on earth...and i know Allah wouldnt want that for me...God loves me 70 times more than my own Mother... i think i WAS and still AM Upright and Good...and of Pure Nature...so thanks i often think about being with a woman...and unfortunately it makes me sick to my stomach....its really wierd....i wish it wasnt like that...but thats the way its always been....and how can i marry a woman with her knowing that i am gay, and have a strong overwhelming attraction to men....of course i could just not tell her about those feelings...and hide and start our marriage with a lie, and have it crash down on us after we have kids and get divorced and live our lives only seeing our kids every other weekend.....or i could choose celibacy...i cant make the feelings go away.....and i cant make the feelings be the opposite of what they are....but i can choose to act on them....or i can choose to be miserable (celibacy)....i think before i can be celibate i have to feel love in my life...i dont have that...so sex is the only manifestation of love i feel...even if its not real....all i can say is inshallah! its so sad that you cant understand or comprehend that gay people can bereligious....being gay is not just a sexual urge...most of the time its not even sexual....its an orientation....i've known since i was a kid that i only wanted to be with men, sexually and emotionally....so when i speak of marriage with a woman, i'm not JUST talking sexually... i took myself from standing on a bridge ready to kill myself several times!!!...i took myself from countless evenings of laying in my bathtub sticking knives into my sides trying to make this orientation go away...but i'm sorry...i'm a moral person with values who chose to love myself and stay alive....i was a good muslim then, and i'm a good muslim now...if you want me to be the person i used to be...too bad...not going to do that!...i choose to love and accept myself the way iam! ------------------------------ I WOULD REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP OR ADVICE FROM YOU'LL. jizak alllah khairan " |
| NS |
| Re: How do you change a HOMOSEXUAL ?? |
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| BrKhalid |
| 01/12/01 at 12:23:37 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum [quote] its so sad that you cant understand or comprehend that gay people can be religious[/quote] Hmm to be "religious" you have to submit your free will and your desires and accept Allah's will Allah's will is such that he has outlawed homosexuality for he is the Most Wise If you can't submit then you can't be "religious". Its not rocket science!!! He chooses not to submit…he chooses to be the way he is….he chooses to distance himself from Allah thereby moving away from Allah's help. He needs to know this WASN'T thrust on him but it was his own CHOICE. Allah (swt) does not place a burden on anyone greater than they can bear. I wonder what he says when he reads about the people of Lut (as)? Is he aware of what the legal punishment for sodomy is? Does he wonder why Allah (swt) has made the punishment as severe as it is? But at the same time is he also aware Allah (swt) forgives all sins for he is the Oft-Forgiving? Maybe he doesn't react to fear of punishment any more? Maybe he needs to be told that Allah (swt) will forgive him if he repents and that he needs to be patient and put his trust in Allah (swt). I'm sure you've tried talking to him many times but please keep trying and more importantly keep asking Allah (swt) to guide him back to the straight path. |
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| chachi |
| 01/12/01 at 22:00:56 |
The Answer is YOU DON'T! The sodomite must change HIMSELF i think i commented on this earlier..theres a tribe in india who's members have sex with tree's i bet 'scientists' with enough funding from interested parties could find a gene for that too seems the guy has some psychological problems.. |
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| Anonymous |
| 01/14/01 at 20:07:08 |
| Why do you not suggest to this relative that if this homosexuality is okay, then why would Allah have a section on the People of Lut in the Quran? He destroyed a whole nation for this behavior and this strongly suggests that this behavior is unnatural and wrong. Why don't you also suggest that why would he give up being one of the righteous people in heaven for such a horrible sin in this life? Try also to remind him that life in this world is a test. We all have problems in this life and it is easier to go astray to the wrong path for pleasure, and satisfaction. But ALLAH is testing us to see if we are doing the right thing- even though it might cause us pain and discomfort. |
| NS |
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| se7en |
| 01/14/01 at 20:32:53 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllahi wa barakatuh, Below is a post I wrote a while back, with someone who had a question very similar to yours. Below that I'm gonna respond to this one inshaAllah. [quote] wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatAllahi wa barakatuh, This is a really good question, one a lot of us have to face. We have to realize people who commit these acts are lost and they do indeed need to be guided. A lot of times it's real easy for us to just hate them, curse them and say let them go to hell. But we as Muslims, we're not supposed to hate them. We don't hate homosexual people, the same way we don't have people who commit zinna or people who commit shirk. We hate the wrong these people do. We hate that they are transgressing against the laws Allah has set down for us. We don't hate these people's humanity. We hate their wrongdoing. That's something we need to remember. Allah knows us better than we know ourselves. We are told so many times to be careful whose company we keep, whose presence we are in because Allah knows that it will effect us. When something becomes common to us we start to become desensitized to it, we lose that natural feeling of dislike and begin to accept it. Lemme give you an example. You travel somewhere where people have a different accent than you. At first you notice it, sometimes you can't even concentrate on what people are saying because the sound is so new and different. But after a while, you become accustomed to it, it's something you barely hear anymore. Then you no longer just tolerate it, but it's become normal. It's the same way with things like this, if you're around people who do wrong long enough you'll lose that sense of distaste and it'll become something normal. That's why we need to be careful, we should always feel uncomfortable around people who are doing wrong. Yes, it is important to guide people to the right way, but we have to be so careful about what it could do to us. Homosexuals who say they are Muslim are difficult to deal with. It is hard to deal with people who are doing wrong, but a hundred times more difficult to deal with people who justify their actions and assert that they are right. There's a very clear difference between people who do wrong and admit they are doing something wrong out of weakness, and people justifying their actions by saying that Islam doesn't say this or Islam is wrong. This is very dangerous territory, in some cases leading to kuffr. I'm sure that the people you are dealing with are very nice and sincere, and are even lonely and feel isolated. But they are disobeying Allah by doing this. And we as Muslims have a duty to try to prevent that. But that doesn't mean you whip out your gay-bashing stick, and that doesn't mean you befriend these people because you feel sorry for them. This is such a serious matter. If the opportunity arises for daawah, take advantage of it. But that should be the extent to your interaction with these people, the same with any people who do wrong. Remember what Allah said about the Prophet Lut, peace be upon him, and his people. "The people of Lüt rejected the messengers. Behold, their brother Lüt said to them: "Will you not fear Allah? I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust. So fear Allah and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds. Of all the creatures in the world, will you approach males, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? No, you are a people transgressing all limits!" They said: "If you desist not, O Lüt! you will assuredly be cast out!" He said: "I do detest your doings." "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" Be careful, and guard your heart. Don't allow yourself to become sympathetic to this in the same way you wouldn't allow yourself to feel bad for someone who commits zinna. Make duah for them to be guided, and for us and our families to be protected from that which they do. [/quote] This individual is obviously troubled and has had a lot of issues, he mentions many times how he's lived in misery, attempted suicide, etc. Unfortunately what's happened is that people with a certain agenda have fed into this desperation of his and have granted him what he was seeking - a form of identity, a feeling of belonging. (man it is so *low* for these groups to target people who are troubled like this. It's as if they go after people they know are vulnerable. How evil is that..) So he's found people who are pumping these ideas and it seems like he's embraced them, and not only that but has used this as a license to do certain haram things. So now, his identity is intimately linked with this notion of homosexuality. So what's imbedded in this guy's mind is - don't trash homosexuality because then you're trashing ME. What we have to do is break this cycle. He has to develop an identity outside of this. His whole "it's not about sex, it's an orientation" is such indoctrination. This is something that's been ingrained in his head. As well as this whole "struggle for truth" stuff... subhanAllah, this boy has issues. There are a lot of points in there you can target... I don't know if this is the most appropriate forum for this, if you want me to address some of this stuff in detail, email me se7en@jannah.org inshaAllah... wasalaam. |
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| haaris |
| 01/17/01 at 08:19:25 |
| Asalaamu aleikoum, I think that your family member addresses the point himself in the first line of his e-mail to you. "i dont have verses & scripture to defend myself.all i have is what i know & feel.this is the way Allah intended for it to happen" If he is truly a muslim then he must recognise the following: 1. Islam (as a deen) is perfect and complete. Therefore he MUST, if he wants to see his actions as compatible with Islam (astaghfirullah), find som "verses & scripture" to justify this conclusion. Challenge him to do so. 2. Allah's knowledge is perfect and beyond our comprehension: please do not suppose to know "that this is the way Allah intended" about anything that is not revealed in the scripture or captured in the Sunnah of our Prophet (saaws). 3. Our knowledge, as human beings, is imperfect. We can be wrong. Thus, what he may or may not "know and feel" is not necessarily the case. Your family member seems not to accept the possibility that he may be mistaken. There are plenty of other posts by brothers and sisters on this board that address other aspects of homosexuality and that show clearly why it is wrong. Try to explain to him that he is entirely mistaken: challenge him to show you why he thinks you are mistaken, to give you proofs other than his "gut feeling". When he cannot do so, then maybe, Insha' Allah, he will see that he may be the one who is mistaken and may begin to review his actions. Insha'Allah we will pray for him. |
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| Saleema |
| 01/17/01 at 12:01:19 |
| I know what the Quran says...about Lot and the two angels that came to save Sodom and Gommorah... and how the town was destroyed.....the people of Lot were child molesters, satan worshippers, idolators... they used to have sex openly in public, even rape!.....these people deserved to be punished by Allah!... First of all where does it say in the Qur'an that they were punished because they had sex openly? Where does it say that they were child molesters? Where does it say that they raped little kids? Yes they were idolaters, but that wasn't their biggest sin. Allah mentions their homosexuality, (hetrophobia), he singles this sin of theirs out, points to us that He, Allah, has created women for them to have healthy relationships with and yet they turn to each other. That is what he says. Even if they had open orgies, (to my knowledge that isn't mentioned in the Qur'an), that still isn't the reason in and of itself that they were punished for. Because Allah says quite clearly that He has created for the men, women and for the women, men. In the Bible I know of one incident where a man openly raped a women in front of everyone, (which is a lie), but I haven't read men raping men or little kids openly even in the Bible. Where is he getting this information from? In another place Allah orders the believers to go into their women in the "appointed" place. Meaning that anal sex is not allowed. That is another proof that homosexuality is a sin. Even if some gays say that they don't have anal sex then we have the other verses and ahadith that say that homosexuality is a sin. May Allah guide him. wassalam |
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| Saleema |
| 01/17/01 at 17:04:36 |
| Assalam ualykum, What does he think of the Gay and Lesbian group, (may Allah curse those who curse the Prophets and their righteous families), in Australia who are portraying the blessed Virgin Mary in such a degradeful manner and her beloved son, Jesus? Please ask his opinion on that. Does he buy into everything that people say? There are Gay Christians and Gay Lesbians who say that jesus (astaghferullah!) was gay. Does he believe that also? Since he considers himself a good Muslim would he condemn their actions? Here's the link that asks for people to protest their play. [url]http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=general&action=display&num=1581[/url] wassalam |
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