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Slimer_007 |
12/25/00 at 09:03:52 |
Salamz... i got this email n wuz breath taken....mashaAllah it showz the miracles of the quran n how NO person can deny this TRUTH!! Dr. Tariq Al Suwaidan discovered some verses in the Holy Quran that mention one thing is equal to another, i.e. man is equal to women. although this makes sense grammatically, the astonishing fact is the number of times the word man appears in the quran is 24 and the number of times the word woman appears is also 24, therefore not only is this phrase correct in the grammatical sense, but also true mathematically (24=24). upon further analysis of various other verses, he discovered that this is consistent throughout the whole Quran, where it says one thing is like another. See below for the astonishing results: the word number of times mentioned in Arabic Quran: Dunia (one name for life) 115 Aakhirat (one name for the life after) 115 Mala'ikat (angels) 88 Shaytan (satan) 88 Life 145 Death 145 Benefit 50 Corrupt 50 People 50 Messengers 50 Eblees (king of devils) 11 Seek refuge from eblees 11 Museebah (calamity) 75 Thanks 75 Spending (sadaqah) 73 Satisfaction 73 People who are Mislead 17 Dead people 17 Muslimeen 41 Jihad 41 Gold 8 Easy life 8 Magic 60 Fitnah (dissuasion, misleading) 60 Zakat (taxes Muslims pay for the poor) 32 Barakah (increasing or blessings of a wealth) 32 Mind 49 Noor (light) 49 Tongue 25 Sermon 25 Desire 8 Fear 8 Speaking publicaly 18 Publicising 18 Hardship 114 Patience 114 Muhammad (PBUH) 4 Sharee'ah (Muhammad's teaching) 4 Man 24 Woman 24 And amazingly enough have a look at how many times words appear:- Salaat (prayer) 5 Month 12 Day 365 Sea 32 Land 13 Sea + land = 32 + 13= 45 %sea= 32/45 * 100% = 71.11111111 %land= 13/45 * 100% = 28.88888889 Modern Science has only recently proved that the water covers 71.111% of the earth, while land covers 28.889% Is this a coincidence? Who taught the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) all this? Allah, the All Mighty taught him this. As the Quran tells us: ' (This is) a Book, the verses whereof are perfected (in every sphere of knowledge, etc.), and then explained in detail from One (Allah), Who is All-Wise and Well-Acquainted (with all things).' (Quran 11:1) The above is from the series of the scientific miracles in Quran, by Dr.Tariq Al Suwaidan. Pretty amazing Huh?? see wut i mean by breath taken? Subhan Allah |
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Slimer_007 |
12/25/00 at 09:08:15 |
Oh! btw...sorry if this wuz already posted before... i didn't c it on the board, so i just went ahead n posted it.. n i also didn't know where to post it, so i just put it in here.. okee... wa salamz |
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Moe |
12/29/00 at 17:54:02 |
is there 365 days in a islaimic callendar? |
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Saleema |
12/29/00 at 19:56:02 |
Assalam ualykum, Moe, the Islamic calendar does not have 365 days. I counted the word "Life" and I came up with 196. Tomorrow inshallah, I am going to wake up ver early in the morning to sit down to count all these words inshallah. |
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Slimer_007 |
12/30/00 at 15:10:55 |
hmmm 196? i dunno!! this is the email i got, but there are other words for life in the Quran.. maybe he just took the most common one and took the most common meaning of death and counted those! i have no clue!! well Allahu Alam...btw... i should have said before hand that i got this email and i wasn't sayin it's 100% true... sorry about that!~ newho Salamz |
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Al-Basha |
12/31/00 at 03:50:21 |
Salamu Aliakom, Well all these facts about numbers are very interesting but I was told that the whole number thing and linking it to Quran is trivial. I remember listening to a Shaikh Hamza Yusuf tape and he mentioned how someone said that laylat al qadr is on the 27th of Ramadan due to the fact that the surah about it has a connection to the number 27. So a person replied back saying "hatha min milh al 3ilm, wa laisa min lub al 3ilm". Meaning, that this is the salt of the knowledge and not the core or center of it. Like someone once told me how the number 786 means bismillah? I didn't see the connection between the two. Maybe I'm missing something ... Wa Allahu A3laam |
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se7en |
12/31/00 at 16:53:03 |
as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllahi wa barakatuh, That's not even mentioning the whole "nineteen" group aka Submitters.. started by a man (Rashad Khalifa) who attributed a certain numerical value to each letter of the Quran and then claimed each verse adds up to the numerical value of nineteen... and also took the verse 74:30 ("Over it is nineteen..." ) out of context. Then when some verses didn't fit this formula he *took them out* of the Quran. He claimed to be a prophet and then later on even claimed to be Allah.. they're still an active group unfortunately, may Allah guide us. So things like that are the reason we're so uptight about this numerical value stuff.. we've seen what can happen when these things are taken into extremes, so we need to be careful.. Alhamdulillah, what you posted was very cool... but it's like an added bonus to the beauty of the Quran, you know what I mean? It doesn't *prove* anything... it just adds to the beauty and wonder of the Quran.. wasalaam.. |
786: 7 arabic letters, 8 letters, 6 arabic letters |
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SuperHiMY |
12/31/00 at 17:11:06 |
AsalamAlay.com, 786: In Arabic, Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem, has SEVEN letters in the first 'Bismillah' Has EIGHT letters in the middle 'ar Rahman' and SIX arabic letters in 'ar Raheem'. So, instead of putting the Entire Bismillah in arabic at the top of pages, the shorthand is to use, well, ARABIC numerals in fact, numbers 7 8 and 6 as a representation. This also helps those of us who detest Collecting Flyers with Qur'an words on them, only then earning a dilemma of what to do with time dated muslim event flyers with 'Bismillah' in Arabic at the top. PS... DON'T use 786 as your PINs or ID numbers. NON-MUSLIM cracker types, when they realize this number's significance in islam, may try to use it to access your accounts, whatever they may be! Salam, You bro in T.O., The one and only, ~ HiMY! ~ |
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Anonymous |
12/31/00 at 17:24:20 |
The numerals 786 in no way represent ‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’ and is not the Sunnat way. If one fears abuse of the letter, etc. ‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’ should be recited verbally at the beginning of the letter which will suffice for the written script. Refer below. Mufti Ebrahim Desai CAN NUMBER 786 REPLACE THE HOLY NAME OF GOD? The innovation of writing '786' replacing 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' has been adopted for a long time and the majority of the Ummah is still indulged in it inadvertently. Apart from the common folk, the scholars also heed no attention towards it and to avoid disrespect to the Holy Words they use it in their letters and documents. They adopt it as 'correct' and 'better' way to invite Allah's blessings and have also started replacing the Holy Words by this number on their houses, offices, buildings, etc. Unfortunately, this tendency is gradually gaining momentum. But, do we see this number instead of the Holy Words in the Holy Qur'aan? Or, can we write it there as well? can we remove 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' from the top of Surah al-Faatiha and replace it with the number 786? Obviously not. If we study the Qur'aan, we see it carries the holy words in a letter from Prophet Solomon (pbuh) to the Queen of Sheeba - Bilqis - who was an infidel at that time. Even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in his letters to different heads of states and governments, used the holy words at the top. Therefore, whosoever uses 786 with the intention to obtain Allah's blessings, is a misguided person and any attempt to justify it, is ignorance. More astonishing is that fact that '786' is an aggregation of the numbers of Hindu 'Lord Hari Krishna'. H(a)iri Kr(i)shna h-5, r-200, r-10, k-20, r-200, sh-300, n-50, a-1 = Aggregate of 786 Thus, the aggregate number of these letters (Hari Krishna) equals 786. This is also the case of 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem'. Therefore, it is necessary to avoid using this number to avoid the danger of being indulging in infidelity. Islam's foundation is laid on the belief in Tawheed (oneness of God). If we associate anyone with Allah's exalted names orally or practically, we would be committing infidelity which is an unpardonable sin. The Qur'aan warns us, one who finds a rival against Allah, Allah will never allow him to enter paradise, and his abode is the hell. The letters by the Prophet (pbuh) to non-Muslim Kings and chiefs bear the holy words 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem'. This was also the case of his noble companions. Did the Prophet (pbuh) and his companions respect the Holy Words less than we do? Was the verse, 'Today I completed your religion for you', revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) or to the socalled scholars of our age who are all bent to amend the Divine principles. Now, when it became known that '786' is written in place of Hindu, 'Lord Krishna', and has no significance in the Holy Qur'aan and Sunnah, it is obviously an innovation and goes against the Divine doctrine of 'Obey Allah and His Prophet'. Similarly, some Muslims replace Allah's name by the number '66' and the Prophet's name by '92'. But if one ask, the number '420' is used against somebody's name and he is called '420'. Can he bear such an insult? Calling someone by a nick name is a sin. Allah Ta'ala says, 'Don't call one another by nick names'. If Allah prohibits the use of nicknames for fellow human beings, how can He allow the use of such insulting replacement number for Himself and His Prophet (pbuh). 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' great significance in the Qur'aan and Muslims are ordered to begin any work but in the names Allah, not in the number of '786' or any other substitution. Fozail Aqdas Ghazali The Message Saudi Gazette, Friday - September 29 1995 |
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abc |
12/31/00 at 23:46:21 |
Assalamualaikum I had always wondered what the reasoning behind that "786" was. I think its pretty common in India/Pakistan (as with so many other "different" things) although I've never seen it being used by any arab muslims. But they've got carried away with all this numbers game. Ive seen shops in India having little plaques with squares and some nos. or just some arabic alphabets(the munqata'aat in the Quran) written on them. And when asked why they've put that up they say its for "protection"! and since they cant write the entire surah they just sum it up with numbers or alphabets! Using the Quran for such kind of "protection" is in itself doubtful let alone try to "summarize" it in numbers. May Allah guide us all. Ameen wassalam |
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bhaloo |
12/31/00 at 23:59:21 |
slm Here is what Dr. Siddiqi the president of ISNA said: "786" is the total value of the letters of "Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim". In Arabic there are two methods of arranging letters. One method is the most common method known as the alphabetical method. Here we begin with Alif, ba, ta, tha etc. The other method is known as the Abjad method or ordinal method. In this method each letter has an arithmetic value assigned to it from one to one thousand. The letters are arranged in the following order: Abjad, Hawwaz, Hutti, Kalaman, Sa'fas, Qarshat, Sakhaz, Zazagh. This arrangement was done, most probably in the 3rd century of Hijrah during the 'Abbasid period, following other Semitic languages such as Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, Chaldean etc. If you take the numeric values of all the letters of the Basmalah, according to the Abjad order, the total will be 786. In the Indian subcontinent the Abjad numerals became quite popular. Some people, mostly in India and Pakistan, use 786 as a substitute for Bismillah. They write this number to avoid writing the name of Allah or the Qur'anic ayah on ordinary papers. This tradition is not from the time of the Prophet -peace be upon him- or his Sahabah. It developed much later, perhaps during the later 'Abbasid period. We do not know of any reputable Imams or Jurists who used this number instead of the Bismillah. It is better that we use Bismillah, rather than using any mystery numbers. There is a great blessing in reciting Bismillah before any important act. |
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haaris |
01/05/01 at 14:40:24 |
We are instructed not to use nicknames? Does that mean that some of our names on this board are wrong? What about "Abu Hurairah" (r.a.), forgive my spelling? I am under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that this was a nickname ("father of the little cat" ) given to him by Prophet Muhummad(s.a.a.w.s). I'm confused. Any helpers? Salaam |
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Kashif |
01/05/01 at 09:16:33 |
[quote] The other method is known as the Abjad method or ordinal method. In this method each letter has an arithmetic value assigned to it from one to one thousand. .... If you take the numeric values of all the letters of the Basmalah, according to the Abjad order, the total will be 786. [/quote] assalaamu alaikum A brother published a small pamphlet a couple of years ago here showing that even the ordinal method was a sham because the numbers actually totalled to 787! Kashif Wa Salaam |
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