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| Anonymous |
| 09/21/00 at 10:24:19 |
| salamu alaykum... i have many questions in my head about how to react islamicly to many problems. one of my questions is how to react in front of gay people? i know a few gay people, some muslims even, and i tried more than once to lead them to the right path, however many were stubborn. many people tell me that i should avoid them but they are very nice and descent people and i think by pushing them a little more they will convert, at the same time i don't want to push it to much. they are good to me because people treat them differently the same way many americans treat us. i really need to know what to do soon. thank you |
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| se7en |
| 09/21/00 at 15:48:43 |
| wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatAllahi wa barakatuh, This is a really good question, one a lot of us have to face. We have to realize people who commit these acts are lost and they do indeed need to be guided. A lot of times it's real easy for us to just hate them, curse them and say let them go to hell. But we as Muslims, we're not supposed to hate them. We don't hate homosexual people, the same way we don't have people who commit zinna or people who commit shirk. We hate the wrong these people do. We hate that they are transgressing against the laws Allah has set down for us. We don't hate these people's humanity. We hate their wrongdoing. That's something we need to remember. Allah knows us better than we know ourselves. We are told so many times to be careful whose company we keep, whose presence we are in because Allah knows that it will effect us. When something becomes common to us we start to become desensitized to it, we lose that natural feeling of dislike and begin to accept it. Lemme give you an example. You travel somewhere where people have a different accent than you. At first you notice it, sometimes you can't even concentrate on what people are saying because the sound is so new and different. But after a while, you become accustomed to it, it's something you barely hear anymore. Then you no longer just tolerate it, but it's become normal. It's the same way with things like this, if you're around people who do wrong long enough you'll lose that sense of distaste and it'll become something normal. That's why we need to be careful, we should always feel uncomfortable around people who are doing wrong. Yes, it is important to guide people to the right way, but we have to be so careful about what it could do to us. Homosexuals who say they are Muslim are difficult to deal with. It is hard to deal with people who are doing wrong, but a hundred times more difficult to deal with people who justify their actions and assert that they are right. There's a very clear difference between people who do wrong and admit they are doing something wrong out of weakness, and people justifying their actions by saying that Islam doesn't say this or Islam is wrong. This is very dangerous territory, in some cases leading to kuffr. I'm sure that the people you are dealing with are very nice and sincere, and are even lonely and feel isolated. But they are disobeying Allah by doing this. And we as Muslims have a duty to try to prevent that. But that doesn't mean you whip out your gay-bashing stick, and that doesn't mean you befriend these people because you feel sorry for them. This is such a serious matter. If the opportunity arises for daawah, take advantage of it. But that should be the extent to your interaction with these people, the same with any people who do wrong. Remember what Allah said about the Prophet Lut, peace be upon him, and his people. "The people of Lüt rejected the messengers. Behold, their brother Lüt said to them: "Will you not fear Allah? I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust. So fear Allah and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds. Of all the creatures in the world, will you approach males, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? No, you are a people transgressing all limits!" They said: "If you desist not, O Lüt! you will assuredly be cast out!" He said: "I do detest your doings." "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" Be careful, and guard your heart. Don't allow yourself to become sympathetic to this in the same way you wouldn't allow yourself to feel bad for someone who commits zinna. Make duah for them to be guided, and for us and our families to be protected from that which they do. |
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| mahsou411 |
| 10/09/00 at 18:55:06 |
| Gay Muslims???? Subhanallah! I thoght I had heard it all!!! |
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| Barraa |
| 04/22/01 at 23:49:16 |
| WAIT! LISTEN TO THIS FIRST. HYPOCRITTS ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE MUSLIMS AND PRETEND TO BE MUSLIMS AND INSID THEY HATE ALLAH 100%! AND THEY PRETEND, BEHOLD! THERE IS MY POINT HOW DO U KNOW THEY AREN'T TRYING TO ASTRAY U???? ANSWER THAT! HERE IS AN AYAH FROM SURAT AL-ANAAM "AND IF HE TOUCHES YOU WITH AFFLICTION AND ASTRAY WAY THEN U ARE THAT WAY AND IF HE TOUCHES U WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS THEN THAT SHALL BE, HE HATH POWER OVER EVERYTHING." AND HERES ANOTHER "AND WHEN U TELL THEM THE TRUTH THEY PRETEND THEY KNOW AND WILL FOLLOW IT BUT INSIDE ALLAH PUT O CLOTH ON THEIR HEARTS SO THEY NEVER UNDER STAND!" |
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| Rashid |
| 04/23/01 at 20:46:43 |
| slm and also about such types of people, they are hurting themselves in the process. Some adopt the position of victim, saying society doesn't accept them or whatnot. I also think we should speak to them a kind word just as we would anyone else, but as far as becoming friends and hanging out and all that, that wouldn't be cool. In talking to them I would suggest steering the conversation towards Islam. I would quote an ayah from the Qur'an but not tell them it's from the Qur'an, more like "here's something for you to think about" because a lot of people get turned off and ignore you when you bring up religion. |
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| 04/24/01 at 16:12:29 |
| there was a [homosexual woman] who called her self muslim in this uni about 5 years ago, the muslims banned her from the prayer room after she made a pass at the amerah of the sisters. once she came to one of the islamic talks, and the speaker said something bad about [them] and she reported the islamic society to the uni and got the islamic society banned. you know when you said "[homosexual] muslims" do you mean [homosexual] who believe in islam, cause if they do believe in islam, they also believe they are cursed for their deeds, and they deserve to be executed for it. i think you probebly mean [homosexuals] who call them selves muslim and may have been bourn in to muslim familys. any way, if you wanna give them dawa, be careful they dont try something, these people are disgusting imoral perverts by their very actions. will you advise a women to give dawa to a rapist? [color=red] [This post has been edited for language by the moderator.] |
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| se7en |
| 04/24/01 at 21:40:58 |
| jehad, we understand that homosexuality is wrong, we understand the need to make sure we don't sugarcoat the gravity of the sin with terms like "gay". but there is *no* reason for you to use language like that. Muslims are supposed to be pure, physically, spiritually, in what they eat, in what they produce, and in how they speak. there's no need for you to use language like that... I come here to be around other good muslims who will encourage me to good. and that, for a short while, will protect me from alllll the trash I have to take in through my eyes and my ears throughout the day. please don't ruin this for me and for others. |
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| jehad |
| 04/25/01 at 06:45:40 |
| asalm walakum,i did not use dirty words there is nothing wrong with the word fag, it is short for fagot. the litral meaning of the word fagot is a bunch of sticks that is thrown on fire. kind of like homosexuals. |
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| jehad |
| 04/25/01 at 06:46:39 |
| oh no, the word change thing is automatic. |
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| Anonymous |
| 04/25/01 at 21:13:09 |
| In Surah Ta-Ha Allah commanded Prophet Musa (one of the noblest men to have ever lived) to correct, admonish and speak to Pharoah (the most evil and wretched man who has ever lived with "gentle speech". Islam is a religion of gentleness, even in confrontation and condemnation. Using such terms not only is outside the gentle manner of the Prophets of Allah but also hinders the opening of their hearts (which are hardened further by such remarks) to any guidance. Think before you speak, and say that which will bring people closer to the truth, not that which simply turns people away. |
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| BroHanif |
| 04/30/01 at 06:51:00 |
| A.W.W., Couple of things you can do. Make dua for em, wake ep in the middle of night and pray tahajjud so their condition changes and give them Dawah. Before you give dawah make sure you know what you are talking about, so you'll have to increase your knowledge on that subject. And lastly make sure that you are there for them. Like say for example, they say take me to a scholar you should take em and be prepared to hear their side of the story, but above all do not show that you are encouraging their evil behaviour. Remember it is Allah and Allah alone who controls peoples hearts. Allah knows best |
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