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Posting of tales of the pious  
Anonymous
09/25/00 at 21:34:50
Assalaam Aleikum everybody.
I come from India and have access to highly authentic books on Islam (like
Bahishti Zevar,  fazail-e-Amaal, etc.)which are originally in URDU.

Could I /Should I post some excerpts from them in English for the benefit of
everyone else here who do not have access to this treasured literature?

If anyone wants anything in particular .I could try to explore the literature
for that topic/subject (even though may be only incidences from the lives of
the pious and the holy or the prophets)

I wait for your reply
(Pssst.I really want to post something valuable and share it with others)
Salaam
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Arsalan
09/25/00 at 21:42:50
Assalamu alaikum,

I've read both Fazaail-e-Amaal and Bahishti Zevar.  Both contain alot of unauthentic/fabricated stories and narrations.  It is better to be ignorant than to know false information, in my opinion.  Because being ignorant will leave you with no knowledge, and you will be dependent on your Fitrah to guide you.  Whereas false knowledge will invariably lead you astray!

However, there are many other well-documented and authentic works out there about our pious predecessors.  I would love to read some of those works.  

Works like "Hayaat-us-Sahaabah (Lives of the Companions)", "Portraits" and "Companions of the Prophet" (I don't remember the authors' names) are good and well-written.

Wassalamu alaikum.
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
bhaloo
09/25/00 at 22:34:21
slm

Arsalan, someone had mentioned to me Bahishti Zevar when talking about Hanafi fiqh, but I hadn't read it.  Alhumdullilah thank you for pointing out it has fabricated narrations, I'll pass up on this book.
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Arsalan
09/26/00 at 00:23:20
Assalamu alaikum,

Bhaloo, every house in Pakistan, especially one which has one or two people who pray 5 times a day, has Bahishti Zevar in their bookshelf!  (Of course, nobody has a tafsir or even a translated copy of the Qur'an anywhere ... forget Sahih Bukhari).

You should read it actually, just to get an idea what kind of "knowledge" most people in Pakistan possess.  Read it, and you will weep!  It's indeed sad.

Wassalamu alaikum.
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
e_haq
09/26/00 at 15:20:48
Hey guys ,
dont fall on me yet pleaseee.
I just offered what I thought was correct.

Is there anyone who will encourage me rather than shutting me out?
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
bhaloo
09/26/00 at 16:25:31
slm

I hear Al-Hedeya is a good Hanafi fiqh book, though its translated by a non-Muslim.  Its available for $50 from Amazon.com
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Anonymous
09/26/00 at 18:32:49
Hey Guys,
I have realised that all of you are Learned.
I'm sorry, for that posting ,I thought I was going to do something .......
Instead of lamblasting and shutting me out,I could really do with some
encouragement(I have never been to a message posting board ,this was my first)
Anyone out there who listens to a lonely guy?????
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
bhaloo
09/26/00 at 18:49:48
slm

Brother, why don't you login and learn with us.  We would be happy to help you.  No one is "lambasting" you.  You are welcome here. :)
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Saleema
09/26/00 at 19:39:53
Salam,

Hey, you are my brother and i am sorry if I hurt your feelings. I did not mean to. I hope you join us and we all can learn from each other. I am very sorry, if my posting discouraged you. And I know Arsalan didn't mean to shut you out either if you felt that way about him too.

You are more than welcome to post stuff and join us in our discussion. I sincerely hope that you will join us.

Wassalam
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Arsalan
09/26/00 at 23:41:33
Assalamu alaikum,
[quote]And I know Arsalan didn't mean to shut you out either if you felt that way about him too.[/quote]The sister speaks the truth!

I would repeat my original request of getting some posts about our righteous predecessors from authentic sources (I mentioned some names up there).  None of us is a scholar here (from what I can tell), and we are all here to learn more about the Deen.

Wassalam.

Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Anonymous
09/29/00 at 10:36:06
Assalamalaikum
I'd posted once before but don't know why the message didn't show up. Anyway,
my question is , how can you people be so sure of the unauthenticity of
Fazail-e-amal and Bahishti Zewar?? Are these your personal opinions or has some
learned scholar gone through these books and stated them as unreliable?

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Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Arsalan
09/29/00 at 11:08:11
Assalamu alaikum,

To answer your question: the latter.  The amount of work that has been done by the scholars of Islam (more specifically, the scholars of Hadith) in verifying authentic ahadith and separating them from inauthentic ones is enormous!  If you cross-reference the ahadith of Fazaail-e-Amaal and Bahishti Zevar with any of the major works of Hadith, you will find that many ahadith in these two books are either fabricated or weak.  

There is very real danger involved here, because many of the stories in both of these books attribute super-natural, almost divine powers to human beings (albeit pious people).  Such teachings may directly lead a person to committing [i]shirk[/i].  This is the major reason why I have spoken so vehemently against the two books.

If your sole purpose in reading these books is to learn about the lives of our pious predecessors, there is a HUGE amount of authentic information out there.  Why limit yourself to two books which are filled with fabrications and weak narrations?  And if it is guidance that one seeks from these books, then I suggest turning to the Qur'an!  It is sad that so many people in Pakistan have read Bahishti Zevar 10 times but have never read the translation of the Qur'an even once in their lives!

Wassalamu alaikum.
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Learner
10/01/00 at 07:06:52
Assalamu alaikum

Arsalan and Saleema:

Can you guys give me the names of the scholars who disaprove of reading fadhail-e-amal and have declared it to be full of fabrications please. The reason I ask is because this is new news to me (as almost everything is anyway :) )

Also could you please tell me which ahadith/stories have been fabricated.

I personally have come across three ahadith without any sanad back to Rasoolullah (saw), but the author highlights this point out after quoting the hadith together with his source of extracting the hadith.

Has any effort been made to address these fabrications since it is imperitive to bring it to the knowledge of those engaged in da'wah(Saleema mentioned the tablighee jamaat).

BTW, do you guys have any biographical information about the authors of the fadhil-e-amal and bahishti zewar (Zakariya Khandalwi and Asharaf Ali Thanwi (ra) respectively)?

Wassalaam.  
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
chachi
10/08/00 at 22:17:12

Interesting...the story of Hadrat Saeeds answers to the tyrant was much more miracle based in the larger version i heard from imam hamza yusuf than it was in fazal i amaal..
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
imamaslam
07/23/01 at 00:34:12
Asalmu-alaykum
I replay to the brother who mentions that both Fazaile-amal and Bheshti zewar contain weak narrations,I would like to remind him that in beheshti there is not a single narration directly attributed to the holy prophet. It is book of fiqh, not a book on hadith. This being the case can you legitimatly say that it contains weak ahadith, when you have no idea where the hadith was taken from. If you want to find the different ahadith that Ahnaaf use to prove there school of thought, try reading "The Hedaya" written by Abul hasan ali bin abi bakr alfarghani.
Regarding Fazail aamal, it was origanally written with an indext containg all the ahhadith in their entierty, but because the target market were Indians, most who are unfamiliar with the science of narration, the index was taken out. if you want the index, you can write to most any Muslim publishing house in India or Pakistan and request the same.
by the way, the author of Hayatus sahabah , Maulana Yusuf was a nephew and student of Mulana Ahraf Ali Thanvi, the author of Beheshti Zewar.
jazakaalah          
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
BroHanif
07/26/01 at 09:21:33

[quote]Mulana Ahraf Ali Thanvi, the author of Beheshti Zewar.

My friend is a relative of theirs and interestingly she does not recommend that book to anyone.


Saleema
[/quote]

Any reason why they do not accept this kitab ???

As for Mulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, he was a man who brought a lot of change for the good of Islam. A number of other pious people were  Moulana Ilyas, Moulana Zakirayh, Moulana Khadalvi.
Moulana Ilyas was the founder of the Tabligh Jamaat,
Moulana Zakaryah was the author of Tablighi Nisab and other kitabs.

Moulana Ilyas(May Allah bless his soul) asked his nephew Moulana Zakirayah to author a kitab on the virtues of Salaat, Beliefs, Hajj, Zakat, Sahabas etc. It was their aim at that time when India and Pakistan were going through dark days, to inspire people for the love of Islam. That is why the kitab tablighi nisab was produced it was never meant to replace Sahih-Al-Bukahri or any other kitabs.

Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi(may Allah bless him) was a very pious scholar.  He witnessed at that time in India people were associating hindu customs with muslim ones, for example marrige, births and deaths. This caused great heartached in the Moulana and thus he decided to write a book called Bahisti Zewar.

If you saw the level of fitnah at that time in India and Pakistan your eyes would have popped out. These scholars made a change for Islam.

[quote]I know that the tableghi Jamat encourages people to read those books. They told my brother to read it every night before going to sleep as if it was the Qur'an or something. [/quote]
it is not in the Tablighi Jammats nature to ask people to do stuff like this sister Saleema, maybe your brother had a bad example but I have been in Jammat many times and never once were we told to do something like that.


Salaams for now

Hanif

Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
imamaslam
08/06/01 at 14:43:58
Assalamu-alaiykum
This is in reply to Saleemas and Arsalans saying that Fazaile Amaal is not aauthentic. If you ever read the Arabic part instead of the english (the ibarat) thats wahat its called you will see at the end of the hadith it say rawahu bukhari wa muslim wa ibne majajah and sometimes it also says wether they took it as hasan or ghareeb or if there was a narrator missing from the chain. Just because you don't see the sanad there that does not mean that its fabricated you're speaking of someone who has devouted his life for the betterment of the ummah Shaikh moualana Zakariyaa khandalvi why would somebody like him after devouting his life for this cause want to lead the ummah astray. Perhaps you should read the autobiography on this esteemed person before condemning this kitaab. And also the comment about being a hafize_quraan shareef in my opinion this itselfs is a very big deal being 13 and having learnt the whole quraaan shareef by heart is alot to acount for, not every person goes and accomplishes a big feat like that. We should look at what the person has accomplished rather than what they have'nt. (you will weeep at what knowledge they posess) Alhumdulillah maybe those people are ignorant in certain respect of Islamic knowledge but it does not justify that we say things about them, please remember alot of Islamic Schools were started due to these pakistani and Indian scholars who lived in that land and partly we being on the side where the grass is greener got more benefit from it than the people living there. We should pray that Allah S.W.T. guides them. And for the ( They told him meaning your brother to read Fazaile Amaal every night like it was the Quraan or something) They encourage people to read the kitaab not as a command but to help strenghthen the Imaan, it is a proven fact what ever you read talk or hear about the most will have some kind of effect on you the more you hear about rightoeus deeds the more stronger you will be in trying to emplement them into your lifestyle and the more negtivity you hear about wrong deeds will encourage you to refrain from them so it's really not about reading it like it's the Quraan or something but it's about trying to help you better your Imaan.           Wasalaam
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
Sparrow
08/07/01 at 18:41:13
Hello, all

Now is a good time for me to expand my knowledge:  what is hafezequran?

Thanks!

Sparrow
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
bhaloo
08/07/01 at 18:46:20
slm

hafezequran i guess means someone who is a hafiz of the Quran, who has memorized the entire Quran.
Re: Posting of tales of the pious  
imamaslam
08/07/01 at 22:27:47
Assalamu-alaiykum
This is in reply to sparrow hafize-quraan shareef is someone who has memorized the holy quraan by heart.
                                 Wasalaam


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