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Don't Get Me Wrong.....
Sara
10/21/00 at 21:16:07
Assalam,
Me and my cousin had a BIG talk about what's going on in Palestine. Both our families are from Palestine. Ok,we think that the Palestinians should just quit the fighting. Why? Because it's stone AGAINST guns,tanks,missles,etc. Don't get me wrong,I literally HATE the jews for what their doing. My uncle's nephew was killed and we had stuff happen to my aunt. But each day is getting worse and worser. Why continue the bloodshed? The jews are HARDHEADED. What exactally will the Palestinians get out of this? More dead,innocent people? I just want the war to end.
Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
ki
10/22/00 at 09:54:34
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu sister,

I know how it seems like such a waste of lives to fight against an enemy that is without a doubt more stronger than you. But is it a better option to quietly bear the oppression without raising even a small voice against it? I think if the Palestinians and the whole world of Muslims will fight against the oppressor unitedly for the sake of Allah then even if Israel has the best of weapons they cannot win over the Muslims because they will then enjoy the help of Allah. And who can defeat when we have the help of Allah by our side?

Have we forgotten the example of the Battle of Badr? May Allah make our Imans so strong that we fear none but Him, Ameen.

wassalam

Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
sis
10/22/00 at 13:33:00
alsalamu alaykum wa rhmat Allah wa barakatuhu

i read ur post and i understand ur point of view....but its important that muslims fight for what is there...this time the whole incident began with sharon planning on entering alquds accompanied by 3000 soldiers....the msulims have to protect it....with rocks or whatever they have but i'm gonna post something that explains the importance of our du3a's that will insha'Allah give victory to the oppressde over their oppressors

walsalamu alaykum



      The Supplication of the Muslim

      In a time when the turmoil in the Middle East is escalating and the number of Muslims
      that are dying is increasing, the Muslims who are in other lands ask themselves what
      they can do to help their helpless and defenseless brothers and sisters overseas.
      Perhaps we have heard it over and over again that we muct remember them in our du'aa
      (supplication) and  we should ask Allaah to give them victory over their oppressors,
      and we have felt that this is not sufficient.  But the reality is that one should not
      readily dismiss the du'aa as an unnacceptable means for supporting the Muslim cause.
      Indeed the Du'aa is one of the most powerful of characteristics that Allaah has granted
      to this ummah.  Did you not see the Prophet SAWS supplicating against His enemies, such
      as the time when some polytheists of Makkah put camel feces on his back while he was in
      sujood (prostration to Allaah?  And what was the result except that the Prophet's Du'aa
      brought fear into the hearts of the disbelievers and they met their swift demise on the
      battlefield in the battle of Badr.  So how can we not be content with the du'aa.
      Indeed, it shows a lack of Eemaan on the part of the Muslim when he turns away from
      asking Allaah and instead rallies in front of the Kuffar leaders asking them for
      justice!  Don't you know that a Muslim's Du'aa to Allaah is answered?  Does not Allaah
      say: "And your Lord says: 'Call unto Me, I will respond to you.  Verily those who turn
      in pride away from worshipping Me, they will enter the Hellfie in disgrace"? [Surah
      Ghaafir: 60]  So He has connected His response with His being asked.

      And know O Muslims, that no matter how advanced the technology and warfare of the
      kufaar is, there is one weapon that they can never lay their hands on.  Indeed, it is
      the du'aa.  Neither the M-16 rifle nor the atomic bomb will ever be a match against the
      Du'aa.  Allaah says: "And the supplication of the disbelievers is nothing but in vain."
      [Surah Ghaafir: 50]  So the du'aa of the disbelievers is not accepted by Allaah.  But
      rather, it is the Du'aa of the Believers that Allaah listens to and responds to.  So O
      Muslims, let us do what is in our ability to support our brothers who are being
      oppressed at the hands of the disbelievers.  And let us not neglect or underestimate
      the power of the Du'aa, thinking that it is something trival and ineffective.  By
      Allaah, the Du'aa has effects that we cannot even begin to imagine.  Below are selected
      chapters from the book Ad-Daa wad-Dawaa (The Sickness and the Cure) of Ibn Qayyim
      Al-Jawziyyah and one chapter from Saleem Al-Hilaalee's book on Du'aa that explain the
      supplication, its effects and its characteristics.  May Allaah grant us the ability to
      call on Him in the best of manners and may He grant the Muslims a near victory, verily
      He is As-Samee' (All-Hearing), Al-Mujeeb (One who responds to supplications).

      The supplication is from the most beneficial of cures

      The supplication is from the most beneficial of cures and it is an enemy to
      tribulations.  It suppresses and cures them.  It prevents them from being caught and it
      removes or alleviates them, if they are caught.  And it is the weapon of the believer,
      as Al-Haakim has reported in his Saheeh from the hadeeth of 'Alee Ibn Abee Taalib, that
      the Messenger of Allaah SAWS said:

      "The supplication is the weapon of the believer, a pillar of the Religion and the light
      of the heavens and the earth." [1]


      The supplication has three stations in regards to tribulations
      (From Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah)

      The supplication has three stations in regards to tribulations.  The first is that it
      is stronger than the trial and thus suppresses it.  The second is that it is weaker
      than the trial and therefore the trial becomes even stronger upon him.  And the third
      is that they are both equivalent in their strength and each one of them refrains the
      other.

      Al-Haakim reported in his Saheeh on 'Aa'ishah RAA that the Messenger of Allaah SAWS
      said:
      "It is of no benefit to be cautious against what has been decreed.  The supplication
      benefits from what was sent down and what was not sent down.  And verily, the
      tribulation will descend and be encountered by the supplication and thus be remedied by
      it, up until the Day of Judgement." [2]

      From the hadeeth of Ibn 'Umar, he SAWS also said:
      "The supplication benefits from what was revealed and what was not revealed.  So, O
      servants of Allaah, stick to the supplication!" [3]

      Also, from the hadeeth of Thawbaan, the Prophet SAWS said:
      "Nothing repels Al-Qadr (Divine preordainment) except the supplication.  And nothing
      increases one in age, except piety.  And indeed, the individual will be forbidden (his)
      provision due to a sin that befalls him." [4]

      The Times of Acceptance

      When the presence of the heart combines with the supplication and it (heart) associates
      all of itself with the thing that is being sought.  And it coincides with one of the
      six times in which the supplication is answered, and they are:

      The last third of the night
      During the Athaan
      Between the Athaan and the Iqaamah
      After each of the obligatory prayers
      At the time when the Imaam ascends the mimbar on Jumu'ah until the prayer is finished
      for that day
      And the final hour after the 'Asr prayer

      And it coincides with humility (khushoo') in the heart, and its (heart's) contrition in
      the presence of the Lord, being humbled to Him, imploring and with graciousness.

      And when the one supplicating faces the Qiblah and he is in a state of purity.  And he
      raises his hands to Allaah and begins with the praising and extolling of Allaah.  And
      he repeats that along with the sending of Salaah upon Muhammad R, His slave and His
      Messenger.  And he presents his need along with repentance and the seeking of
      forgiveness.  And he enters into the presence of Allaah and urges Him concerning his
      affair.  And he flatters Him and invokes Him, with hope and fear.  And he finds a way
      (of drawing close) to Him through His names, His attributes and His Oneness (Tawheed).
      And he presents a charity in the presence of Allaah, then indeed, this is the type of
      supplication which will never be rejected.  This is especially if it is in accordance
      with the supplications that the Prophet R has informed us are most likely to be
      accepted or those which contain the greatest names (of Allaah).

      The supplication is from the strongest means

      Therefore, the supplication is from the strongest means for attaining something.  Thus,
      since the thing that is being supplicated for is decreed in relation to the
      supplication, it is not correct for one to say "There is no benefit in the
      supplication".  This is just as one saying there is no benefit in eating, drinking and
      all of the other actions and deeds.  And there is no means, which is more beneficial
      nor more able to attain that which is sought, other than the supplication.

      'Umar sought victory through the supplication

      Since the Sahaabah were the most knowledgeable of this nation (of Muslims) concerning
      Allaah and His Messenger R and the most understanding from them of His Religion, they
      were the most steadfast upon this means, its conditions and its manners, than anyone
      else.

      'Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab RAA would seek victory through it against his enemies, while he
      possessed the greatest of armies.  And he RAA would say to his companions: "You will
      not achieve victory from large numbers.  You will only achieve victory from the
      heavens."

      And he would say: "Indeed, I do not carry the yearning for being answered, but instead
      the yearning for the supplication.  So when you seek the supplication, then indeed, the
      response is with it."

      Consequently, whosoever seeks after the supplication, then he (automatically) desires
      by it the response, for indeed Allaah says:

      "Call on Me, I will respond to you." [5]

      And He says:
      "And when My slaves ask you concerning Me, then (say), I am indeed near.  I respond to
      the invocation of the supplicant when he calls on Me." [6]

      And in the Sunan of Ibn Maajah from the hadeeth of Abu Hurairah, the Messenger of
      Allaah R said:
      "Whosoever does not ask of Allaah, He becomes angry with him." [7]

      This indicates that His contentment is in His being asked and His being obeyed.  And
      when the Lord is pleased, then every good is within his pleasure, just as every trial
      and tribulation is within His anger.

      The Supplication of the Muslim is answered
      [from Saleem Al-Hilaalee)

      In the previously quoted saying of the Prophet SAWS, there is proof that the
      supplication is a request from the Divine One through which His contentment is
      attained.  This is since the abandonment of asking Allaah out of pride and
      self-dependence is not permissible with respect to the Self-sufficient, the Most
      Praiseworthy.

      A poet took the meaning of this hadeeth and put it into poetic form saying:


      "Allaah becomes angry when you abandon asking him,
      but you see that when the Son of Adam is asked something, he gets angry."

      Therefore, Allaah loves from His Servants that they ask Him and that they turn towards
      Him and that they manifest their destitution and lowness.  And He has made it a duty
      upon Himself to not send them back disappointed and empty-handed, as we have been
      informed of by his Messenger SAWS:

      "There is not a Muslim upon the earth that calls upon Allaah with a supplication except
      that Allaah gives him it or He removes some evil of equal proportion from him, so long
      as he doesn't supplicate for something sinful or to sever family ties."

      So a man amongst the people said: "So then we will ask numerous (akthar) things of
      Him."

      He SAWS said: "Allaah is akthar (Able to respond numerous requests)." [8]

      In this is a sufficient clarification of the fact that Allaah guarantees the answering
      of the supplications.  This is however, according to its conditions.  Thus, we shall go
      into detail with the discussion concerning it, its description, condition, its time,
      its place and its etiquettes, as well as what is contrary to that.


      Footnotes:
      [1] Mawdoo' - (Fabricated) It has been reported by Ibn 'Adee (6/2181), Al-Haakim
      (1/492), Al-Qadaa'aee in Ash-Shihaab (143) and 'Abd-ul-Ghanee Al-Maqdisee in
      At-Targheeb fee Ad-Du'aa (18/no. 10).  In its chain is Muhammad Ibn Al-Hasan Ibn Abee
      Yazeed Al-Hamdaanee.  Ibn Ma'een said: "We have heard from him and he is not
      reliable."  Al-Mirra said: "He lied."  An-Nasaa'ee said: "Rejected."  And Abu Dawood
      has declared him a liar.Al-Haithamee said of it: "In its chain is Muhammad Ibn Al-Hasan
      Ibn Yazeed and he is rejected," (Majma'-uz-Zawaa'id: 10/47).  Al-Albaanee also declard
      it as being forged in his As-Da'eefah: no. 179
      [2] Da'eef Jiddan - Reported by Al-Bazaar in his Musnad, At-Tabaraanee in Al-Awsat and
      Al-Haakim.  The checker said: "Its chain is very weak.  Zakariaa Ibn Mandhoor is
      matrook.  And 'Attaaf Ibn Ash-Shaamee is unknown as has been mentioned by Adh-Dhahabee
      in Al-Meezaan.  His reports on Hishaam Ibn 'Urwah are munkar (rejected).
      [3] Da'eef Jiddan - Reported by At-Tirmidhee and Al-Haakim.  The checker states that
      'Abd-ur-Rahmaan Ibn Abee Bakr Al-Qurshee is weak.
      [4] Saheeh - Saheeh-ul-Jaami': no. 7564
      [5] Surah Ghaafir: 6
      [6] Surat-ul-Baqarah: 186
      [7] Hasan - Its checking has been stated previously
      [8] Saheeh -  I have checked it and provided its references in Saheeh Kitaab Al-Adhkaar
      wa Da'eefihi (1223/920 & 1224/961)
Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
sis
10/22/00 at 13:34:08
sorrrrry i forgot to check off the no smilies box:o(
NS
Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
M.F.
10/23/00 at 08:50:22
Assalamu alaikum,
The Palestinians are only doing their duty by fighting.  They're the ones who are right.  It's the rest of the world who needs to join them and defend them and stand up for them, at least the Muslims from the rest of the world.
And although right now they're not getting anything out of it except more deaths (more shahadas for them, more losses for their families) to them it looks like it's worth it.  Imagine, every morning those people go out with the intention or expectation of shahada, imagine the huge reward for them.  
That's the way I see it.  what's going on right now is just a release of the built up anger that's been increasing since "Israel" was created.

I really hope it doesn't stop, not because I want to see more dead Palestinians, but because this might the THE WAR againts the Jews that the Prophet (S) spoke of in a hadeeth that I'll try to find later, but which says basically that the Muslims will fight the jews until they hide behind trees and stones, but the trees and stones will say: O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, except for one kind of tree (boxtree?) which is the tree of the Jews.  Insha Allah I'll find the hadeeth and post it.  

Wassalam
Mariam
NS
Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
Harisa
10/31/00 at 21:52:14
WILL THESE PEOPLE NEVER LEARN??
WHAT HAS WAR EVER BROUGHT ANYONE....DEATH DEATH AND MORE DEATH....AND AFTER IT WAS ALL OVER...THINGS WERE WORST THAN THEY WERE TO BEGIN WITH!!!!...I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE...
Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
Sara
10/31/00 at 22:19:44
Assalam,
Thank you Harisa! That's basically what I was trying to say. Whenever my parents call my relatives back in Palestine,my grandmother would tell us how bad it's getting. How they and everyone  can't turn on their lights at night because they make easy targets. Just 2 weeks ago, a lady my mom knows was shot in the eye. Her house is very close to the jewish settlement. I don't know exactally what happen.
See, this is EXACTALLY what sharon wanted to happen! He knew he would provoke the Palestinians and start a war. sharon knew the Palestinians are defenseless. We really don't have anyone on the Palestinians (only the muslims and Palestinians) the u.s. govt. clearly hates all muslims. If they didn't they would of cut off all aid to israel.
Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
jaihoon
11/01/00 at 07:09:43
Will I be wrong to say that the palestinian conflict has become a nationalistic pan-arab issue than an Islamic issue and is that why the Islamic world is just satisfied with verbal sympathetic statements and not prepared for use of force?
Re: Don't Get Me Wrong.....
Sara
11/01/00 at 20:40:39
Assalam,
If the Palestinians had the same weapons such as the israelis: tanks,missiles,bombs,jets that shot bullets,etc., I wouldn't be saying the things I am now. I would agree with the war 100%. Does this make sense??


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