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| tq |
| 10/31/00 at 14:02:38 |
| Assalamo elikum Does any one know from where I can buy "Reliance of a Traveler " and any good nasheed tapes ? Thanks Wasalam tq |
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| Arsalan |
| 10/31/00 at 14:15:47 |
| Assalamu alaikum, Go to [url]http://www.sharaaz.com/[/url] Do a Title Search for Reliance. It'll take you to where you can buy the book. For nasheeds, try [url]http://www.soundvision.com[/url] or [url]http://www.astrolabepictures.com/astrolabe/audio-all.html[/url] |
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| Learner |
| Assalaamu alaikum Is Reliance of the Traveler a [i]'safe'[/i] book? I have heard some brothers say that it has certain questionable aspects to it inside e.g. encouraging muslims to participate in mawlid. Can anyone shed light on this issue? Wassalaam |
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| UmmZaid |
| 12/15/00 at 21:27:28 |
| [quote] Is Reliance of the Traveler a 'safe' book? I have heard some brothers say that it has certain questionable aspects to it inside e.g. encouraging muslims to participate in mawlid. Can anyone shed light on this issue? [/quote] I have the book. It is in my car. Yes, for a good reason. :) It is a book of Fiqh. IMU, it can be consulted for everyday matters, but it should be studied with a sheikh, or someone with knowledge. I've read the various sections myself. Now that Sh. Samer (from Albany!) is here teaching it to us, I am learning things that I did not pick up or know about before. But if you just need it for everyday things, this is really too detailed for that. I would go for Sh. Nawawi's "al Maqasid," which seems to have been re-issued. It is also important to point out that some things are translated incorrectly, or not translated at all. There are also inserts, into the translation, of comments from the translator (Nuh Keller) or other people. There is also an entire appendix written by Sh. Nuh, and one well known Islamic speaker and writer (whom we all know) used that appendix to condemn the *entire* book and all who read it. If anyone asks, I will ask Sh. Samer on Monday or Ustadh Abdullah Adhami tomorrow if I see them on 'Reliance' and the mawlid. |
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| bhaloo |
| 12/16/00 at 00:16:00 |
| slm [quote] There is also an entire appendix written by Sh. Nuh, and one well known Islamic speaker and writer (whom we all know) used that appendix to condemn the *entire* book and all who read it. [/quote] Are you referring to Dr. Saleh As-Saleh's work? The 150 pages he wrote with regards to mostly one particular section in Reliance of the Traveller? I must say, it was very thorough and I was very shocked to find these things in Reliance of the Traveller. I think you are referring to section W? I advise everyone to ignore that section completely, in fact there was a software released in the UK sometime ago that has Reliance of the Traveller in text format included with that software and I always wondered why they omitted section W, now I know! I haven't read Dr. As-Saleh's book completely but what I read was incredible and insha'Allah I will read it, and urge you all to get his book. Buy The Dispraise of Al-Hawaa by Imaam Ibnul Qayyim prepared by Saleh As-Saleh, available from www.islamicbookstore.com. That book is 230 pages, 50 pages of it is Ibn Qayyim's work the rest contains the Doctor's 150 page book commenting on that particular section in Reliance of the Traveller. I don't think the doctor even discussed the issue of mawlid in his book, but what he discusses is far more important. If you have any questions please email or PM me as I think it would be better to discuss some things off the board. |
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| UmmZaid |
| 12/17/00 at 02:36:09 |
| No, no, I'm not talking about Dr. Saleh Saleh. The comments I am referring to were made by B. Phillips in front of roughly 10,000 folks at Madison Sq. Garden in Jan. 1999. It went past criticizing appendix W, and in to Sh. Nuh and his wife and so on. |
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| se7en |
| 12/17/00 at 13:56:52 |
| I attended that, and I don't remember anything being said about his wife??? |
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| UmmZaid |
| 12/17/00 at 22:51:26 |
[quote]I attended that, and I don't remember anything being said about his wife??? [/quote] There is a transcript of it online somewhere. I don't remember exactly what he said, as I was asleep until Sh. Nuh's name caught my ear. I'll hunt around and look for that transcript, but I don't know if I can find it. It was a while ago that I saw it. But basically, it was something about him and his wife having faulty iman or something. |
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| moinhs |
| 12/18/00 at 11:31:52 |
| Assalaamuailaikum! I have this book and and find it quite useful. The most organized book on shafi fiqh anywhere.. I hope other authors follow his style in the organization of the book.... really fast to get to issues.... As for some people here attacking the authenticity of the book, i really don't understand it.... First off, the first couple of pages near the beggining of the book are all these various ppl praising the book (pg xiv - xxi)...Places such as Al-Azher Univerisity in Egypt, and Fiqh Council of North America. More articles by the author can be found on my www link below.... I like the site so much i made it my www link! Becoming Muslim - The Story of How Nuh Ha Mim Keller became Muslim http://ds.dial.pipex.com/masud/ISLAM/nuh/bmuslim.htm |
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| moinhs |
| 12/18/00 at 11:42:24 |
`Umdat al-Salik in Arabic with facing English Text, Commentary, Appendices, Biographical Notes, Bibliography and Index *`Umdat al-Salik is a traditional Fiqh manual by Ibn al-Naqib(d.769/1386). It summerizes the conclusions of Imam al-Nawawi (d.676/1277),the great Hadith scholar and Shafi`i jurisprudent. It is based mainly on al-Nawawi's Fiqh works; al-Majmu` and al-Minhaj. *Reliance of the Traveller contains `Umdat al-Salik in Arabic with facing English translation, Commentary, Appendices, Biographical Notes about every person mentioned (391 biographies), bliography of each work mentioned (136 works), and a detailed subject Index 95 pages). The Appendices form an integral part of the book and present readers with original texts and translation from classical works by Imam al-Nawawi, al-Ghazali, al-Dhahabi and other famous scholars on many Islamic topics such as Islamic Law (Fiqh), Principles of Jurisprudence (Usul al-Fiqh), Faith (Iman/`Aqidah), Spirituality Tazkiyah/Suluk). Of the 136 works drawn upon in its commentary and appendices, 134 are in the original Arabic. The sections and paragraphs have been numbered to facilitate cross-reference which is utilized extensively. *Nuh Ha Mim Keller is an American Muslim who produced this work in Damascus and Amman from 1982 to 1990. He studied the book word by word in the traditional way with two Shaykh-s(teachers) over a period of five years after which they gave him their written warrant (ijazah) to expound the book and translate it into English. *Certificate: "...We certify that the above-mentioned translation corresponds to the Arabic original and conforms to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni Community (Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a)..." Islamic Research Academy (Majma` al-Buhuth al-Islamiyyah), al-Azhar. al-Azhar is the Muslim world's most prestigious institution of higher Islamic learning, Cairo. |
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| Kashif |
| 12/18/00 at 12:18:15 |
| assalaamu alaikum I still think that it would be well worth reading Sh. Saleh's notes on a part of Reliance of the traveller. Perhaps if i find time later, i'll post some of it up, insha'llah. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| bhaloo |
| 12/18/00 at 13:14:23 |
| slm Actually the book by Dr. Saleh is in response to the Sufism section in Reliance of the Traveller. The book is extremely detailed in responding to this Some concepts such as calling on the dead for help and having knowledge of the Unseen, and for the creation and Creator to be joined as one (ASTARGHFULLAH!) are not Islamic concepts at all and these are discussed in great detail in the book. To illustrate an example of the Unseen, one of the articles on the Masud website is written by someone that I had a discussion with because I didn't like what he had to say about Sheikh Albani. Our discussion was in a public forum and during the discussion, he tells me that one of his sheikhs told him a few years before Albani's death, that Albani would die as a Jew. First of all Sheikh Albani was a scholar that was responsible in reviving Islam, and secondly no one knows in what state someone will die in. But apprently this person thought this sheikh was in contact with Allah. Dr. Saleh also responds to this false charge of anthropomorphism of some great Islamic scholars and goes into great detail about this. I was going to send Masud (author of the website below) a copy of this as it is by far the most detailed explanation of this matter. Also, I read something recently by Nuh Keller where he attacked this concept of tauhid being divided into 3 parts and compared it to the trinity notion of 3 being 1 (I have his exact wording (its about 2 paragrahps), and can email or pm someone that) Sheikh Salim Morgan had mentioned this before: The Prophet (sas) NEVER taught us three categories of tauhid. There was just tauhid, plain and simple. When people confused "belief in a creator" (ruboobiya) with Islam (uloohiya) and deviated with regard to Allah's names, our scholars came up with these categories as an aid to understanding what was already there. Now, when some have imagined that Muslims can completely abandon the Shari'a of Islam and replace it with other things and still be "believers" (something VERY new in this Ummah, by the way), the need of a further division within uloohiya which is tauhid al-haakimiya became needed. In this regard, it is no different from its predecessors. If it is "not there", then an equally valid argument can be made that tauhid al-uloohiya is "not there" as well. The proof is in the underlying evidences, not in the names. |
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| sakeena |
| 07/15/01 at 16:32:55 |
| salaamualaikum, you can get The Reliance of the Traveler at http://ihya.hypermart.net/tape_catalogue/books.html as well. you can get some good nasheed tapes at http://www.soundvision.com/ or http://www.islamicbookstore.com/ my favorite nasheed tapes are by Dawud Warnsby, Yusuf Islam, Zain Bhika, and Raihan. hope that helps! :) wasalaamualaikum sakeena |
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