Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
| Muslim Hackers! |
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| Al-Basha |
| 02/02/01 at 22:06:20 |
| Salamu Aliakom, Seeing as how this is the geek forum, I thought I'd start up a topic on "Muslim Haxz0rs", Here are a couple of questions, and I'll answer last insha Allah: 1. Do you know any el33t haxz0rs (elite hackers, including yourself)? 2. Have any of these hackers (including you if you are one of them) ever hacked in the name of Allah? 3. Have you or anyone else ever been involved in a hacker war against Jews, Christians or even other Muslims? 4. Where do you think the line should be drawn with hacking? Or do you think it is completely haram? 5. Do you agree with the statement that "Hacking the enemies of Islam, including Israeli's etc is a form of jihad" |
| (Muslim) Hackers/ Phreakers/Crackers/Warez |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 02/03/01 at 01:18:31 |
AsalamAlay.com, I don't feel this is the 'correct' forum for a discussion on this, let's just settle on the word "GRAY", on this gray area. The Pakistani Hackerz Club takes down the AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Cmte) website, downloads their member logs and credit card numbers, then FORMATS the server's Hard Drive...Leaving a single splash page up with the statement of solidarity with the Palestinians. Later, Israeli kids(?) HTMLhack the ISNA website and post the Israeli Flag on the Splash page. That Lasted only 15 minutes. This cold war of hack, crack, and return the Hack just goes on. and on. and on. Is it a form of Jihad (strqggle for the sake of Allah)? Lemme leave you with this...Khalid bin Walid. BEFORE he rode from Makkah to Madinah and pledged allegiance to Allah and His prophet [saw] Khalid used the gifts Allah gave him for destructive purposes. IF one is involved in destructive purposes, CRACKING, PIRATING, and YOU know what else, Ask yourself this, "what would the Prophet [saw] do with the internet?" I can't answer that for you. Use your gifts to create something. Something good. Not something, that IF you bragged about it, would get you a one way ticket to Club Fed. Like that stupid kid up here in Montreal. Mafia Boy. What an idiot. He just kept bragging and bragging and bragging..on IRC etc. At some point the mental gymnastics one allows Shaytaan to suggest in your mind will break down and the incompatibility of being a Muslim and ripping off someone either through Cracking Warez, etc will confuse you.. Be a MUSLIM Boy. Don't be a Mafia Boy. Salam, Formerly known as Froot Loops. |
| Re: Muslim Hackers!2 |
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| Ikani |
| 02/03/01 at 07:52:39 |
| Assalamu alaikum, I must say I tend to agree with SuperHiMY. Although I think one could pick up a few useful hacking skills for emergency/defence purposes, I don't think it would be such a nice idea to go on a hacking rampage to 'destroy the enemies of Islam' 'cos the way I see it - hackers tend to work with some stealth and probably the more you hack, the more you have that feeling that you're doing something illegal and have that fear of being caught someday. That sounds pretty negative to me. Hey why not train yourself to be a super software engineer instead? ;) |
| Re: Muslim Hackers! |
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| jannah |
| 02/03/01 at 12:01:17 |
| wlm, Al basha remember on irc when #islam kept hacking #israel and vice versa !!! it never stopped ugh.. one person would hack it and then the others would hack back. In that case I think it was rather disasterous because the channel was never open for dawah. But then again if muslims didn't know how to hack we would have never gotten the channel back eh. I think in many people's minds hacking is a form of jihad or "pride" but it is illegal and more trouble than it is worth so you have to weigh the pros and cons carefully. A pro is definitely the psychological impact, for too long muslim youth have felt like they were backwards and inferior to the West and can't affect anything in the world. Hmm but then like Himy said.. if you are proficient in computers then maybe you should do something better with your time! [quote] 1. Do you know any el33t haxz0rs (elite hackers, including yourself)? 2. Have any of these hackers (including you if you are one of them) ever hacked in the name of Allah? 3. Have you or anyone else ever been involved in a hacker war against Jews, Christians or even other Muslims? 4. Where do you think the line should be drawn with hacking? Or do you think it is completely haram? 5. Do you agree with the statement that "Hacking the enemies of Islam, including Israeli's etc is a form of jihad" [/quote] |
| Re: Muslim Hackers! |
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| bhaloo |
| 02/04/01 at 03:01:21 |
| slm I was always into computers from an early age. Back in the day it was interesting. I had a C-64, went to an Amiga and then eventually PC. 1200 baud was the thing to have, then 2400 baud came out and then the $700 US Robotics HST 14.4k modem. Every elite hacker in the world had one. The Elite scene (early days) Let's get a few names straight. Hacker - someone that broke into university computers, government ones, industry ones, etc. Carder - someone that specialized in hacking out phone credit card numbers. Phreaker - someone who made illegal calls either by using credit cards or some type of box (blue box, red box, green box, etc.) Coders - people that wrote really cool demos and intros, and some small software. some of the best ones were 13-15 year olds in Europe. Crackers - people that removed the copy protection on software, back in the day software had copy protection preventing people from copying it, but these guys removed the protection. Runner - someone that took software (warez) from one BBS (Bulletin board) and uploaded it to another site. Groups - Mirage, ESI, RayZor, FBR, etc. are some of the major and consisted of the above people working together. BBS - a Bulletin Board System (basically a computer, harddrive, and a few phone lines going into it). The major groups had a WHQ (World Head Quarters, usually in the east coast or europe), and then some other HQ throught the world. All these cites would have that groups latest software. All the groups raced to get the latest software, remove the copy protection and release it throughout the world. 0-1 Day WaReZ only - software released that day or 1 day old. Lamer - everyone else hmmm, im sleepy ill talk about the next stage next time. |
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