Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
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| Anonymous |
| 02/24/01 at 20:20:11 |
| Dear Sisters and Brothers Though I am not Muslim I am wondering why you don't make a goal to give a copy of the Holy Quran to every school in Canada and the uSA for the students to read the Truths and Proofs of the Holy Quran for themselves. Not to mention another smaller book with the customs and laws of Islam. Salom Ali Kom Salom Anne Marie Habibi amlhabibi@hotmail.com |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 02/24/01 at 21:38:38 |
| Peace, certainly not speaking on behalf of any muslim organization or MSAs or muslim communities etc...but....sis, i think this is/has been done for the most part? usually muslim orgs/individuals do/have been donating copies of the quran to various libraries and schools...for instance, even in our local campus, we've some various good islamic books that include a fiqhi book...if you feel that there isn't enough of these..or are interested in furnishing various libraries/institutions then please please do let us know or your local muslim community...b/c there are various orgs that donate such books and materials including media software introducing islam etc...i can provide you even with some links if you would like? in addition, there are muslim volunteers who are eager to give lectures or introductions to islam to any educational institute willing to have them...along with a fieldtrip to their local masjid. Thank you for addressing this concern. :) Peace. :) |
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| Kashif |
| 02/24/01 at 21:54:03 |
| assalaamu alaikum Dear Anne-Marie Please forgive my forwardness, but I can't help wondering why you'd like each school to have a copy of the Qur'an, yet are not Muslim yourself? Kashif Wa Salaam |
| NS |
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| Arsalan |
| 02/24/01 at 22:34:57 |
| [slm] Kashif ... email her! I thought about the same thing when I read the post. |
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| jannah |
| 02/24/01 at 23:03:17 |
| She doesn't have to be muslim to give some good advice. |
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| se7en |
| 02/24/01 at 23:57:40 |
I think one reason this is not done is fear of mistreatment of the Qur'an. Library books take a lot of abuse. Another reason might be misintrepretation of the text of the Qur'an itself. Someone who is not equipped with the proper background knowledge of the basic elements of Islam might make incorrect assumptions based on studying the Qur'anic text alone. Another reason might be that a lot of Muslims might not have thought of it before :) It's a good suggestion, I'm going to ask around and see if there are Qur'ans in the other highschools in my area. Peace :) |
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| Arsalan |
| 02/25/01 at 00:08:34 |
| [slm] [quote]She doesn't have to be muslim to give some good advice. [/quote]Acknowledged. But I think Kashif was misunderstood. If you were to advise, say, the Islamic Center in Brooklyn to add Martin Lings' [u]Muhammad[/u] to their library collection, wouldn't that mean that you really LIKED the book? If not, why would you recommend them to include it in their collection and have everyone read it? I think that's what Kashif is wondering: How is it that someone can recommend a book to someone, or urge that this book be placed in every corner of this country (every college campus), and believe that it contains the "Truth" and "Proofs," and yet does not accept the Message that it conveys? |
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| Anonymous |
| 02/26/01 at 19:19:13 |
| Dear Brothers and Sisters Salom Ali Kom Salom I say this out of respect for you. Indeed I have read the wonderful Holy Quran from cover to cover many times now and it's beauty always amazes me every time I read it. I am none muslim and have been learning about Islam for about 7 years or so. I is part of my faith to understand and learn more about other faiths so that I may understand mine better. I have come to appreciate the beauty of Islam and the Spiritual strength of it's people however I do not have that same stregthn when it comes to thins I grew up with culturally. I could not declare I am a muslim until such a day when I can follow all the laws until that day I will be a dear friend of Islam and it's people. It is my love for Islam and the beauty of the Holy Quran and it's Truths and Proofs that I feel it would be an excellent Jihad struggle to see to it that every school lybrary and even civic lybrary has a copy. It is true some might try to misuse it but the truth is that most would learn from it and if not convert then come to appreciate it as I have. Most schools do not have a copy of the Quran where as most civic lybraries do I believe. Also it is in my faith that until the West Canada and the USA are educated on Islam there won't be world peace. I just want to do my part. May Allah God be oft forgiving of my mistakes. Ssincerely Anne Marie Habibi amlhabibi@hotmail.com |
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| BrKhalid |
| 02/27/01 at 05:48:39 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]I could not declare I am a muslim until such a day when I can follow all the laws until that day I will be a dear friend of Islam and it's people[/quote] May Allah [swt] guide you to Islam Sister and may he reward you for your efforts |
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| Kashif |
| 02/27/01 at 08:58:07 |
| Dear sister Anne-Marie We're overjoyed to hear that you have studied the Qur'an and have been inspired by it. Its a feeling that i'm sure every member of this forum has experienced, and continues to experience each time we open the cover of this Noble Book. And we really feel that your study of Islam shows that your heart is open to the truth. So the question is, what prevents you from becoming Muslim? Do you believe in Allah? Do you believe in all the Prophets? If the answer to these questions is yes, then all you have to do is say two short sentences of Arabic and you will be a Muslim - a follower of Allah's religion. And this will be another small step towards spreading the message of Islam in the West. When you are a Muslim, every smile that you smile and every good action that you do will be multiplied in reward by Allah and bring you closer to Him, so why wait and miss out on this reward? We firmly believe that the best of good deeds is one that is done without delay. To become a Muslim, simply say the following words: Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu. This means "I testify and witness that there is no god worthy of being worshipped other than Allah and that Mohammad is his Messenger." Finally, we say to you that you are sincerely welcome as a sister to us in Islam, and we are in the utmost readiness to provide you with any service or information possible. We ask Allaah to fulfill, perfect, and complete His grace and benevolence upon you, and to grant you perseverance in holding fast to the truth. For indeed, Allaah is the One who guides to the path of truth and light. Kashif Wa Salaam The Qur'an says: "And who can be better in religion than one who submits his face to Allaah and is a good-doer?" [Ch.4 V.125] "And whosoever submits his face to Allaah, while he is a good doer then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold. And to Allaah return all matters for decision." [Ch.31 V.22] |
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| haaris |
| 02/27/01 at 07:43:29 |
| Wa' Aleikoum Salaam (and I say this out of respect for you). Anne-Marie, I second everything that brother Kashif says to you. The only thing that I will add is to counsel you not to listen to the Shaytaan who says "wait until you can be a perfect muslim before you take the shahadah". There are many muslims in this world and just as many who are not perfect. If you believe in Allah and His Prophets then take the first step, become a muslim. Then, Insha' Allah, you can work on fulfilling all of your duties. As a scholar says: a drunk muslim is better than a sober non-muslim. We pray that Allah opens your heart and allows you to become muslim. Salaam |
| I do dearly Love the Quran..... |
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| Anonymous |
| 02/27/01 at 16:49:38 |
| I do dearly Love and appreciate the Qquran and it's people however I have many cultural obsticales the prevent me from becoming Muslim. I grew up going to the shores swimming and wearing a bathing suit and I could not give this up, I like sunning myself in the sun. I like the occassional glass of alchol and going to a bar to listen to music on occassion. I like having bacon and eggs and roasted ham. I like wearing short sleeves shirts and shorts in summer. I like looking at people. I like having my own apartment with no one to bother me. Maybe one day when I can give all this up and my current faith will I be able to call myself Muslim. No offense intended these are just what prevents me from declaring allegiance to another religion at this time. I do believe in Islam and the Prophet Mohmmad make no mistake about that. That is why I felt the project was important to educated people about the truth. Sssincerely Anne Marie Habibi |
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| annemarieh |
| 02/27/01 at 17:05:46 |
| Wwhile studying Islamic traditions at University I was reading hadeath and in one hadeath it said the following. The time will come when man is of such a high moral station that even if the most beautiful woman was to pass before them naked in the street that they would not cause her and harm or grief. Not an exact quote but I am wondering if any of you have read this. I have tried to find it again but given there are thirty five volumes of hadeath it is like looking for a needle in a hay stack. No offense intended I just believe it speaks to the level men must strive in having self control and good moral behavour. What do you think? As for my project the Saudi Embassy said they would give a Quran to anyone that asks and so I plan to send the ;list of schools for the North of Canada when I find the list that is. |
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| haaris |
| 02/28/01 at 05:42:34 |
| Anne Marie, Welcome to the Madinah, perhaps you could introduce yourself at the Bebzi stand, it's kind of a tradition here. |
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| chachi |
| 02/28/01 at 18:13:17 |
Hmm i think it's best to have a qu'ran with commentary..usually people who just read the qu'ran and are from the western tradition cannot make sense of it because the qu'ran is very concise and also the qu'ran is in arabic and thus all words originate from a basic root word with three letters... to somebody who understands the quran it conveys a lot more meanings than somebody who just reads a translation..hence it is best to have a commentary |
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| annemarieh |
| 02/28/01 at 18:58:39 |
| Yes the King Fahd's Edition has an excellent commentary in it. That is why I think it should be given to all the schools and Lybraries in the USA and Canada. At least then they can appreciate the Truths and Proofs for themselves as a matter to educate them even if none convert. But if they can appreciate it then it is at least a step in the right direction. I think it would be a great Jihad to under take don't you? A peaceful one too! |
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| chachi |
| 02/28/01 at 19:30:54 |
who's this 'king' fahd... far as i know the only king is allah (swt) and on that day he will say who is the king now? |
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| annemarieh |
| 02/28/01 at 21:14:35 |
| The Edition of the Quran I thought best for the schools and lybraries is the King Fahd's edition of the Holy Quran it has an excellent commentary. I think a story book on Islam for the lower grades would be good too. I hope the brothers and sisters will work on this Jihad struggle and see that all the schools and lybraries has a copy of the King Fahd's Edition of the Holy Quran. It would be a form of Jihad would it not? |
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| annemarieh |
| 02/28/01 at 21:16:58 |
| It is the big blue book with english and arabic with commentary in it. |
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| humble_muslim |
| 02/28/01 at 22:56:52 |
| AnneMarieh, Peace be on all those who accept guidance. You say : I do dearly Love and appreciate the Qquran and it's people however I have many cultural obsticales the prevent me from becoming Muslim. I grew up going to the shores swimming and wearing a bathing suit and I could not give this up, I like sunning myself in the sun. I like the occassional glass of alchol and going to a bar to listen to music on occassion. I like having bacon and eggs and roasted ham. I like wearing short sleeves shirts and shorts in summer. I like looking at people. I like having my own apartment with no one to bother me. Let me ask you to open your heart, and ponder over a few questions. If Allah created human beings, surely he knows what is better for us ? If you think about ANY rule in Islam, can you not see the benefit in this life if you were to follow it ? Why is legal for you to to wear a bathing suit, but not legal for you to walk around naked ? If it was legal, would you walk around naked ? Have you EVER done anything you don't normally do under the influence of alcohol ? Have you ever been approached by a man who is attracted to you, and whom you did not want to give the time of day ? Is there any food you used to like but have since given up ? Have you ever loved something or someone so much you were prepared to give up a few things in your life to accomodate that thing or person ? Please come up with your own answers on these questions, and reflect on them. May Allah guide you to the straight path, and grant you success in this world and the hereafter. |
| NS |
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| Anonymous |
| 03/07/01 at 14:48:01 |
| Asalamu alaikum, i have suggested doing this in our community and everyone encourages the idea. Can you tell me whom should i write to obtain these free quran? jazakum ALLAHu khairan |
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| annemarieh |
| 03/11/01 at 15:58:02 |
| You write or call the Saudi Arabian Embassy in your area and they will be happy to send you the Quran you need for giving to the schools or even churches. I called them and and emailed them and they are happy to help. Ssome churches would benifit from a copy also so they know the truth in the Quran. |
| NS |
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| humble_muslim |
| 03/14/01 at 22:43:53 |
| Ms. AnneMarieh, Have you had any thoughts about the questions I posed you ? Would you care to share your answers with us ? |
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| annemarieh |
| 03/17/01 at 18:18:16 |
| Let me ask you to open your heart, and ponder over a few questions. If Allah created human beings, surely he knows what is better for us ? If you think about ANY rule in Islam, can you not see the benefit in this life if you were to follow it ? Why is legal for you to to wear a bathing suit, but not legal for you to walk around naked ? If it was legal, would you walk around naked ? Have you EVER done anything you don't normally do under the influence of alcohol ? Have you ever been approached by a man who is attracted to you, and whom you did not want to give the time of day ? Is there any food you used to like but have since given up ? No there isn't any foods I have given up except for the ones I don't like. Have you ever loved something or someone so much you were prepared to give up a few things in your life to accomodate that thing or person ? I hate to say it but I have never had to give up anything for the one I love although I had an abusive relationship with a man and he tried to control everything I did and it did not make me feel happy or healthy and I loved him a great deal. I know islam is a great religion and way of life but it is not for me at this time. I am not prepared to give up my personal freedom, not that I am wild or anything I just can't imagine wearing hijab all the time or covering my arms and legs all the time. I like shorts and I like sleeveless shirts and going swimming at the beach. I greatly admire my brothers and sisters who can follow all the laws of Islam. Peace be upon them and their families. I just do not have the courage or strength it requires to declare my life in Islam. I appreciate your sincerity in asking me to consider it though. You make me feel welcome in Islam for that I thank you. Anne Marie Habibi amlhabibi@hotmail.com |
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| Anonymous |
| 03/28/01 at 18:50:12 |
| I feel the same as you do. I like wearing shorts in the summer. I like drinking wine. I love to `ance and go clubbing. etc. etc. However, I believe in Allah and have complete faith in him. I don't think that all these things I do are wrong. I know my limits and I see them as enjoying life and experiencing all there is to life. Does this make me a bad or less of a person? Or a bad Muslim? |
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| jannah |
| 03/29/01 at 09:57:49 |
| Anonymous, Actions really do imply belief. If a person says "I believe in Allah and have complete faith in him" TRULY and REALLY, there is no way they would not follow Allah's commands because they know their Creator surely knows what's best for them even if some things "feel good". So if there is a Muslim who does those things I really have to question if they truly do believe in God's message? Why would God send a divine message and tell people to do things anyway? It's for our own protection and guidance, for our own benefit. To follow what *we* enjoy is to say that you don't really care about what God said and that we know better than God and we don't really care that he sent a message. Wrong actions are quite clearly listed in the Quran and the authentic Hadith. We can enjoy ourselves and experience everything we would like to within the bounds God taught us. And in fact I would say truly living as a human being, living up to our potential is when we are following God--that is our true purpose and the height of civlization human beings can reach. In the same way if someone says "I love Rasulullah [saw] but I don't follow anything he said or did" is that true love??? Surely not. The true test of love and belief is if you follow through with your convictions. Islam is belief and action. Anyone can SAY they believe in Islam but do they really? That's what this life is all about right a real test so that on the Day of Judgement we will see everything we did with our own hands and will have no excuse. There are some who would argue that a principle is not a principle until it's actually tested. God says again and again in the Quran that He will test us on our beliefs: [color=purple] 2:155 Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,- 18.7 That which is on earth we have made but as a glittering show for it, in order that We may test them - as to which of them are best in conduct. 20.131 Nor strain thine eyes in longing for the things We have given for enjoyment to parties of them, the splendor of the life of this world, through which We test them: but the provision of thy Lord is better and more enduring. 21.35 Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. To Us must ye return. 23.30 Verily in this there are Signs (for men to understand); lo! We put men to test. 29.3 We did test those before them, and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false. 47.31 And We shall try you until We test those among you who strive their utmost and persevere in patience; and We shall try your reported (mettle). [/color] This is a good one: [color=purple] 34.21 But he had no authority over them,- except that We might test the man who believes in the Hereafter from him who is in doubt concerning it: and thy Lord doth watch over all things. [/color] So the person who ignores every command of Allah-- I would question whether or not they really do believe in the Hereafter. It's not possible that someone who really and truly believes in the Hellfire and Heaven to disobey God's commands so easily. .Make mistakes yes, commit sins yes, have low faith yes....these are human.. but to completely disregard God's message shows that person doesn't understand or believe the concept of this life as a test and the Hellfire and Heaven as our abode for eternity. So again, those things are clearly wrong actions according to God's own Words. I don't know what's in your heart but actions speak to themselves as to whether or not you truly have belief in Allah. How can you as a human being take it upon yourself to define your limits if you truly believe in God and His Message to humanity? Don't say you believe in something but then go and do something else... we know what that makes a person. Don't go clubbing and drinking and say you believe in Allah's Message. Think about it now and decide what you really and truly believe and follow through with it. Be a true muslim-- a true human being or at least be true to yourself if not to God. [quote]I feel the same as you do. I like wearing shorts in the summer. I like drinking wine. I love to dance and go clubbing. etc. etc. However, I believe in Allah and have complete faith in him. I don't think that all these things I do are wrong. I know my limits and I see them as enjoying life and experiencing all there is to life. Does this make me a bad or less of a person? Or a bad Muslim? [/quote] |
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| eleanor |
| 03/29/01 at 02:23:15 |
| Hi Annemarie! welcome aboard. I have recently become Muslim. I always thought I had to follow every rule and then become Muslim but that's not so. I don't wear hijab (yet). Mostly because I'm afraid of the reaction of others (my family etc), but there is a very small part of me that says "I like the wind in my hair, I like swimming, sunbathing etc". But I'm Muslim. I read the Koran, I pray every day and Inshallah soon I will have the strength to wear Hijab. As to eating pork, I used to love pork too! Sausages, bacon, ham, pork chops etc.. Lucky for me I met my husband who is Muslim and he requested that I not eat pork (never forced it on me but said he couldn't kiss me anymore if I ate pork..what would you choose?). For the love and respect of my husband I gave up pork and discovered the new alternatives..halal sausage and smoked beef ham. Beef salami etc. It tastes really good. It's not that difficult to give up pork, please believe me. Alcohol was another hurdle for me. Since I am a member of the "drinking Irish" race it was unimaginable that I give up alcohol. It's still hard when my brother asks "so what are you having?" and to see his reaction when I say "Coke". But the thing is this Annemarie. We live on this Earth for an indefinable number of years. Everything we enjoy in this life is instant and disposable. You can't bring anything with you when you die. I have changed my attitude from "I want to have fun *now*" to "I want to live in eternal paradise" What's the point of having fun for seventy years or so when you have to burn for eternity afterwards? The price is too high for me. I'd rather do without now and enjoy my eternity later. Another thing. I felt, once I had learned enough about Islam that there was no way back. I had read the truth, accepted the truth as being true...how could I reject it? Please, Annemarie, for your own sake, be strong and take Shahada. The rest, Inshallah, will come by itself. Eleanor |
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| Asim |
| 03/29/01 at 09:54:48 |
[quote]2:255 Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,- [/quote] That's 2:155, Surah baqarah, verse 155. Wasalaam. |
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| humble_muslim |
| 03/29/01 at 09:58:23 |
| AA Mashallah Eleanor, that was a wonderful post! I wanted to say something like that to AnneMarieh, but wasn't sure exactly how to put it. It's amazing how new muslims seem to find it so easy to get to the point! |
| NS |
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| jannah |
| 03/29/01 at 09:58:46 |
| jazakallah khair asim, it's fixed! :) |
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| annemarieh |
| 04/05/01 at 21:06:28 |
| Dear sisters and Brothers Thank you for your encouragement. Maybe one day I will begin to say I am muslim and follow sunnah. At this point in my life I will remain a Bahai for now and maybe when the time comes follow islam. I have read much of the Quran if not the whole thing many times now and many times it has revealed many good and beautiful passages and verses to me. I admire the Brothers and Sisters for their strength and resolve to follow all the sunnah. When Allah calls me to Islam I will come, he isn't calling me right now. But I believe in Islam and it's great advances in the world. The one thing that upset me was hearing on another website there being Mujih hadeen for the internet and that some brothers and sisters were going and shutting down other peoples websites and this upsets me because I think it is low on their part for it is better to have excellent Islamic websites like junnah sisters than to do piracy. My love to you all and email me if you like. amlhabibi@hotmail.com Sister Anne Marie in Spirit |
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| jannah |
| 04/06/01 at 01:17:06 |
| Thanx Anne Marie for your participation here. You really bring up alot of good points. It's true I wish more people were positive in their presentation of Islam instead of doing dumb things in the name of "jihad". I pray that God leads you to what is right and good. Take care!! |
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