Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
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| jannah |
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| This is a series of posts from a sister who just became Muslim detailing her visit of a local church which unbeknownst to her turned out to be part of a multi-million dollar missionary operation targetting muslims in the US. If nothing else this is telling us that every Muslim needs to be not only pulling their weight as a Muslim, but also that each one of us needs to be doing twice as much to counteract the evil forces around us. Truth prevails but only if others hear it. ps my God read that pamphlet to target Muslim women!!!!!!!!!! ========================================== As salaamu'aleikum Dear Sisters This will be a long post, but I feel it necessary to tell everything that happened and what I learned. First I will describe the location so you will understand. This church is very large and well organized (almost 5,000 members and some are very rich. One member donated 1.5 million to their building fund. The church grounds cover 2 city blocks. They have a day care center, school from pre-school through 8th grade, a theatre for plays and social functions, a library, gym, large computer lab, 100 member choir (singers) and an orchestra (musical instruments). this church has 4 services on Sunday to accommodate the number of people going to their services. There is a very large grassy lawn between the church service building and the church school. It was here that the missionaries were located. Tables were set up in a huge U shape. Women were dressed as Muslims and native dress of the women of India. Many additional tables had native foods from Arab countries and India. There were tons of books and pamphlets available for people to take to read. Also there were posters with pictures of Muslims and Christians and many showing Muslim women taking off the hijab to go into water to be "baptized" as a "new Christian". Pictures also showed young Muslim girls and boys singing with Christians and some were learning musical instruments. (I felt like I was walking at the outer edges of Hell!) I did not go into the church for the service because the missionaries were all outdoors answering questions of several hundred people at this gathering. I went to the first table where there were large plastic bags available to place the many materials available from the different missionary groups. Without saying anything and my heart racing I walked the entire U shape of tables, stuffing the bag with the phamplets, free books and disks. I just nodded and smiled ( my face felt frozen in this smile). After I finished gathering materials, I began walking back the way I came and I stopped at each table. There I asked the following questions: Q. What do you tell Muslims about the claim that Mohammed is a prophet? A. He is a prophet that God sent to the people who worshiped idols. He was a great prophet in his time. Q. What is the most frequently said thing that convinces Muslims to convert to Christianity? A. It is not only what we say but what we do. We become their friends, help build roads, buildings, teach at their schools, bring food and medical supplies to the poor. Many of us are doctors and nurses and this gets us in the doorway with the government people. We love them and love them and love them. We learn their language, we print the bible in their language, we dress similar to them, we learn to cook their foods. We read the Qur'an (transliteration) and their sunnah and hadith. We find similarities with the bible and Qur'an and this helps us gain their confidence. Once we have lived with them, help them, and they feel we are their friends, then we begin slowly talking about Jesus and God's Justice. Almost all said they did this. First the church (s) totally funded families to move to a Muslim country. The missionaries undergo as much as 6 months training. They learn all about the country, cultural, and problems the country has (need for schools, hospitals, roads, buildings, etc.) The children also learn with the parents. Once they have mastered the "planting skills" they are ready to travel to the country. Q. Why has this church and others in southwest USA chosen the Muslims as the group to try and convert? A. Muslims are in what we call the 10/40 location of the planet earth. Here there are at least 1 billion Muslims. Our goal over the next 5 years is to convert 702,000 Muslims to Christianity. Muslims are the largest group of unbelievers in Jesus and the trinity. Q. Why do you think you will be successful? A. The Muslims practice Islam differently in each country. They have allowed their cultural to make the differences. One advantage to us is the split between the Sunni and Shiia Muslim groups. Also they have no central leadership. Many Muslim countries are suspicious of each other and this makes it easy for us. (One man even said that its the old "divide and conquer" idea) Another man told me that the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) had tried to combine the bible with the messages "God" gave him concerning idol worshippers and because he was uneducated, he failed to get the information correct concerning Jesus the Messiah. A woman told me that her missionary group used the model that Paul (of biblical times) used for establishing churches which then resulted in the spread of Christianity. (going with a group of followers to a town or city, making friends with government officials, locating some wealthy individuals and converting them and then getting land free from the Muslims to build their churches. She said because the Muslims allow freedom of religions in most of their countries, they (Muslims) in fact are very helpful in getting the land for the churches!!!! She told me how a missionary woman started an embroidery group with Muslim women in their homes where they made beautiful arabic patterns. Their husbands and the Muslim leader was so impressed that the women were allowed to go to the church and do this sewing. It was here that they had the opportunity to win several of the women to Jesus! By this time I have worked my way about halfway back to where the first table is set up. A woman walks up to me and says, don't I know you? maybe from ASU? I answer honestly, I am never at ASU (the state university) The man with her is dressed as our brothers dress. He then says to me, Excuse me, are you with the missionaries here? I then say no. He then says are you Muslim? I say I am Muslim and my religion is Islam. It seems that everyone there at first thought I was a Christian dressed up as a Muslim. Well when I responded that I was Muslim, immediately the news began to travel in this group. I actually saw them whisper this fact to each other. Within a few minutes, everyone was looking at me, when I caught their eye they pretended not to have been staring!! I felt like two large hands with very long fingers were above me waiting to crush me. I wanted to run from this gathering, but Allah kept my feet planted in front of this table where a man asked me what sect of Islam I was from. He asked if I was a fundamentalist or from a smaller group. I said I am Muslim and my religion is Islam. He said he had many Muslim friends and they all had different schools or leaders they followed and I must belong to a group. I said I am Muslim and my religion is Islam. Then sisters I can hardly believe this even as I write it. I began questioning this man about Jesus the Messiah and the man became defensive responding that Jesus came from Abraham's line that God had to come in the form of Jesus so that our sins could be forgiven. I said Abraham had a son Ishmael his first born to a lawful wife. I said Jesus was the son of Mary without a father. I said Allah will forgive our sins if we repent and ask forgiveness. I asked why God would need to come to earth and die like a human in order to forgive us. He said because after we die, then one day there will be judgement day and because we sin we can't get to heaven for judgement day with our sin, so Jesus died (God) who took our sin so we could get to heaven for Judgement day. Well I answered, if Jesus-God took away all the sins, what was the need for judgement day? He just looked at me and then he said, well it is for the people who do not accept Jesus as their savior and the trinity. Well I said if good people can't get to heaven with out Jesus then how will all these unbelievers in Jesus be judged on Judgement Day if they have sin and therefore can't be allowed in the presence of God for their judgement? Sisters... these were not my words... It was like I was standing next to me watching me say these words. The man said this is one of the "great mysteries" that we will understand after we die. I said that in Islam there is no mystery. That Allah has made it very clear what a person needs to do to go to heaven. That Allah is just and fair and would not make a mystery that would keep us from heaven. Then the man said that it was like a judge here on earth where we must be punished when we do wrong that this is justice. He said that God demands justice and that we must be punished. for sins, unless we let Jesus take our sins. I said if Jesus is God as you say he is, where is justice in God punishing himself for my sins? Where do I learn anything in this kind of thinking and how does this make me be responsible and fear God? Sisters this man (and a very large crowd) just looked at me and they did not answer. Then my feet moved me (I didn't seem to be in control of their movement) to a table where a woman dressed as a Muslim stood. She smiled at me kind of wavering with her eyes darting around, like she was looking for support. I couldn't believe what I said next. I said Christian woman why do you mock me? She said mock you? I said, what if I were to put on a short dress, jewelry, make-up and high heels, hang a gold cross around my neck and hold a bible in my hands and tell you, my sister won't you become a Muslim? This is so hard to believe sisters... this woman took off the hijab and abeya and said she was sorry. Next my feet moved me to the very first table. A group of people seemed to be following my progress back to this starting table. Here my mouth opened and I asked why there was no table for the Jews I asked if there Christian love did not extend to there Jewish brothers and sisters. I asked if they were not concerned that the Jews would go to hell for disbelieving in Jesus. I said it was known world -wide that most Jews regarded Jesus as a trouble maker, did not believe he was even a prophet and worst of all did not believe in the virgin birth and in fact had maligned the name of Mary! This man sputtered that they indeed had missionaries for the Jewish people. I then said do you deny that Christians and our government give total support for the Jewish religion, money, aid, political power etc. when in fact the Jews believe only they are chosen by God and they "killed God-Jesus" according to the bible! Why would Christians and government support this people and turn their backs on Muslims who believe in the Virgin birth and revere Jesus as a great prophet to the Jewish people? A man in the crowd said we have missionaries for the Jewish people, but our churches decided that the Muslims are more in need because there are so many Muslims. I said praise Allah for so many Muslims! The man dressed as a brother dresses approached me a second time. He asked if I would like to meet with some people and talk about Islam and Christianity some more. I said no thank-you, but I then asked him if he would like to meet with some brothers to discuss Islam, but he would have to stop dressing like a Muslim as Muslims did not accept deceit. This young man turned and walked away from me. At this time I felt like I was in control of my feet again. I took a great breath and walked quickly towards the parking lot to my car. When I got inside I was shaking inside and outside like a leaf in a wind storm. I drove home (I was so shaken, I ran a red light). When I got there my dear husband was very upset. It seems I was gone for over 4 hours!!!!! As I have been so sick I told him I would not go. He thought I had gone to the masjid. I feel badly for this lie to him but I know he would not have let me leave the house if he knew I was going to this church. He and my family decided not to go to church this Sunday as they felt the church program was disrespectful to me. I felt very weak and tired and after a short rest I typed the note to all of you and then I immediately fell into a deep sleep. I awoke this morning for prayer and was completely rested! Oh I completely forgot to tell you that the young teenagers in this church and college students have formed an organization to be missionaries to Muslims who attend schools and universities here in Tempe Arizona. They offer tutoring with English and other subjects. This way they make friends, invite them to their homes and try to slowly convert them. They have been successful and the new converts go home and wait for missionaries to arrive. They then introduce them to Muslim leaders and people in towns and villages. Also there is a group of businessmen who own apartments. They give special rates to Muslims. They provide study rooms.... and guess what. There are Christian students studying there and making friends with the Muslim young men. Even young women are introduced and this gets our Muslim young men accustomed to meeting with young women and listening to music! My heart and head want to scream aloud O Muslim brothers and sisters wake-up!!!!!! See how our kindness and friendships have been abused!!!! I am praying feverently to Allah to open the eyes of all Muslims to unite us and protect one another and our children!!!!!! I will close this post dear sisters and many thanks for your help and dua. I could not have done this with out my sisters and Allah. I will be sending a second post which will have the names and other information about theses missionary groups. Please don't be too hard on me for my poor answers to these missionaries. Allah knows my intentions and I used what knowledge I had and Allah's help. Your sister in Islam |
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| 02/27/01 at 21:47:59 |
| Post 2 As salaamu'aleikum Dear Sisters In Islam My heartfelt thanks to all who wrote such kind words to me about the post "The Church". But please understand that I provided the body, it was Allah's work and no credit belongs to me. I was very afraid and if I had a choice, I would not have gone. I do not have lots of courage. Secondly, dear sisters I was so caught up in writing about what was said I did not make it clear my purpose. I am disappointed in myself that the gravity of what I learned did not come clear to all of you. Actually I got no response from the sisters group. Please hear what I am writing. Allah did not have me go to this meeting for myself, I feel He wants us to act on the information He gave us. This confrontation with the missionaries built a real fear in me for my brothers and sisters in Islam! The post "The Church" is meant to be a wake-up call for all Muslims. These missionaries are determined and they have the money and skills to put their plans into action!!!!! Muslims everywhere must be on guard against these "helpful" so- called friends!!!!! They are taking advantage of Islam and the goodness of unsuspecting sisters and brothers all over the world!!! Our students, children, wives, husbands, business leaders and masjids leaders must announce warnings to our people. Sisters we must ask our husbands to have discussions about a plan to reject these false friendships. They are very smart.They study our cultural, food, and Qur'an. They are very serious about their goal to convert 702,000 Muslims!! Don't shade your head and say impossible.. I saw pictures, slides and heard them talk among themselves of the numbers of Muslims they have already reached!!!!!!! Here are some suggestions for what we can do. Also each of us needs to tell what is planned to every Muslim we know! 1.. Tell our national organizations about theses groups. I will list their names and addresses and what countries they are focusing on for converting Muslims. 2.. Notify each masjid in each country. Sisters in this group are from many countries and the masjid leaders need to know and resist giving land "for planting churches". These missionaries are the enemy of Islam. They want to steal our lives and children's lives in paradise!!!!!! 3.. Husbands tell your wives not to invite these "kind" missionary women to your homes. 4.. All of us Muslims remember that we should make friends among Muslims and not non-Muslims. 5.. When a disaster hits a Muslim country, let it be the Muslims world-wide who are first there with emergency aid and care. not the Christians!!!!!!!!! Allah requires this of each Muslim and we have not been following Allah's command concerning charity to our less fortunate sisters and brothers. 6.. It is time for Muslims in predominately Muslim countries to take charge of their governments and begin enforcing Islamic law as given by Allah through our Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and his companions. Practicing Muslims must become involved in their governments and wherever the Muslim people have a say in who the leaders are, let Muslims say they are practicing Muslims. 7.. Sisters in Saudi Arabia, Africa, Malaysia, India, etc. Many students come to Tempe Arizona and other universities in the USA. These students must be warned against using English tutors who are Christian missionaries! 8.. Mothers, your children must be warned of the tactics used by the missionaries to gain their trust and then steal their Islam from them. 9.. I am not saying to be rude, this would not be Islamic, but we are fighting for the 702,000 Muslims these missionaries plan to convert in the next five years. We have a duty to them. 10.. Muslim brothers, business connections are important for Muslim economy, but friendships and socializing with non Muslims will bring harm to Muslim wives, daughters, sons and even parents !!!! 11.. Muslims everywhere. when a non Muslim asks what group or sect you are from. give them nothing but "I am Muslim and my religion is Islam"! They need not know of any differences of opinion or group affiliation! We must stop allowing these differences to be used by the missionaries to gain conversation with us. 12.. Finally, just as the many Muslim countries/leaders came together to discuss Palestine. so these leaders must come together for the good of Islam and begin working together to help one another. The threat to our Muslim people is great. believe me sisters. This group is only one in the USA. They are in every state and in many predominately western countries. Many of these people do not understand the harm they do. Only Allah knows why they have blinders on and cannot see the truth of Islam. Even though they are kind, friendly and bring business, doctors, teachers and aid to Muslims. they are enemies of Islam in that they do not want us to be Muslim and are dedicated to converting us to Muslims.. I shudder!!!!! 702,000 .. Remember this number. Will a friend or family member be one of this number .. 702,000 ???????? Even if all you can do is talk to your children, parents, husbands and friends. this is something that I believe Allah requires. Even if you send this message to only one group, many Muslims will hear it. My heart and mind weep for the 702,000 Muslims who may be lost to Hell fire if we do not take some individual action and call on our leaders to take some action. This threat is real. I heard and saw with my own eyes. This is serious dear sisters. These missionaries believe we are living in the last days and they are obligated by "God" to go out and convert as many people to believing in the lie of Jesus as god. We must face them with firm resolve and a wall so high and so thick that their preaching can not enetrate!! Sisters I do not mean to appear bossy. It is not my intention to order anyone, especially Muslim brothers and our leaders. I only ask that what is true and right is recognized as from Allah and errors are on me because I am not an Islamic scholar, just a new revert who is thankful for Allah's mercy for choosing me and bringing me Islam. If I have offended anyone, I humbly beg your forgiveness. Your Sister In Islam |
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| jannah |
| 02/27/01 at 21:48:19 |
| Post 3 MISSIONARY GROUPS/ORGANIZATIONS INFORMATION 1.. Frontiers, P.O. Box 31177, Mesa AZ, USA 85275-1175. They have 600 active missionaries in 40 countries. "Their passion is to glorify God by planting churches among the world's 1 billion Muslims". " After 1400 years of neglecting the Muslims, the church has realized that it's their turn". "Muslims Only: Our singular focus enables us to pour all our experience resources, and know-how into this one objective. Africa-Sudan. winning against jihad; southeast Asia, Egypt, Yemen, North Africa, Kazakstan, India, Jordan, Pakistan, Korea, United Kingdom (England) Frontiers has organizational offices in Mesa Arizona USA, United Kingdom; Korea; Central America; Switzerland; Netherlands; Australia. They do what ever it takes from setting up business ventures, using professional or medical skills, emergency aid. All teams trained in church planting and disciplemaking skills. Planning to send teams to: Afghanistan: convert (Turkmen) Team Leaders for various Muslim areas of India Calcutta India- Urdu speaking Muslims: new teams planned Iran: God is opening borders and hearts of the predominantly 65 million Shiite Muslims, many teams planned North Africa: teams to serve multiple countries where no teams now exist Teachers of English to be sent to Turkey Kosova: help victims of war and spread christianity Middle East: teachers, administrators, clinic persknnel to help rebuild a torn country, professionals in business and education In Touch Mission International 2115 E. Cedar Street, Suite 1, Tempe, AZ 85281; primarily missionary work with medical teams of doctors and nurses in the Sudan- Africa; partnered with Frontline Fellowship Cape Town, south Africa 2.. Josiah Venture, International Teams, 411 W. River Rd. Elgin, Illinois 60123-1570: Czech Republic, European missions. 3.. Food for the Hungry, 7729 East Greenway Road, Scottsdale, AZ. Primarily feeding the hungry AND christianity mission work too.Bolivia, Romania, Ethiopa, Uganda, Philippines, Guatemala, Bangladesh, Turkey, India 4.. Freedom in Christ 491 E. Lambert Rd. La Habra, Ca. 90631; spiritual training for missionaries. Resource for christian churches and missionaries. 5.. International Student, Inc., Colorado Springs, Colorado USA, also other cities across USA college students as missionaries to students attending universities throughout the USA. Once a student is converted and returns home, this organization stays in touch. The converted student helps missionaries who come to their countries to plant churches for Jesus.; Motto" Sharing Christ's love with International Students" 6.. Greater Europe Mission; 18950 Base Camp Road, Monument, Co.; primarily in European countries.; Organizational offices in Canada 7.. Wycliffe Bible Translators, P.O. Box 628200, Orlando, Florida 32862-8200, USA; 5,000 staff members translating the Bible into every language of the world. 100,000 people regularly donate to this effort by these Christian people. Christian converts from many countries work to ensure the Bible is in all languages 8.. Pioneers, blazing new paths to the unreached; focus is on parterning with churches to plant churches and missionaries in six major blocs of unreached peoples: Muslim, Hindu, Chinese, Secular, Buddhist and Tribal. Its their passion to reach these people with God's love. Organizational offices in Orlando Florida USA and Canada. 9.. In Touch Mission International (ITMI), organized 1961, church planting; medical and specialized teams to work with nationals. Team members speak the national language they go to; establish Christian business abroad and christian schools. Partners with Frontline Fellowship. "tell the true story of the persecuted, suffering church in communist and Muslim lands". |
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| jannah |
| 02/27/01 at 21:38:59 |
| Post 4 As salaamu'aleikum Dear sisters I have typed the information below so you can read for yourself what the missionaries say about converting Muslim women. Please don't get mad and stop reading. Get mad after reading J "Smile" This brochure is published by a group called Frontiers. They are the main group that is targeting Muslims for conversion to Christianity. Their mailing address is P.O. Box 3117 Mesa, Arizona 85275-177 USA. ... Maybe some strong minded sisters might want to tell this organization what they think of their "plan to convert Muslim women "hidden" behind the veil"!!!!!! Here is the information printed in their brochure: Is your heart burdened for hidden peoples "Behind the Veil"? All you have to do is give her a cup of tea! You've been watched, by Halima, a young Muslim woman. She's intrigued with your life. Why would you leave America? Why would you want to come here? Why aren't you like the American women on TV? Halima would like to get to know you. But she's afraid you won't understand or accept her. And she's waiting for you to speak... What should I say to her? You ask yourself. You approach her and the words come, to your surprise, naturally, Hello, Would you like to come to my home for a cup of tea? Later, after Halima has come and gone, you smile happily and think, " All I had to do was give her a cup of tea." Next page.. Muslim women: truly hidden people. Whether traditional or modern, Muslim women like Halima are truly hidden. Overlooked by the media.. Isolated by a male-dominated society.. Hidden by the veils they wear... Muslim women are often viewed as silent, unseen, mysterious. And that silence can hide a world of hurt of unspoken dreams of alienation from God. And even though they are overlooked by most mission strategists, Muslim women are often the most responsive to the Gospel (Jesus-Trinity). It takes a woman to get behind that veil! That's why we believe women are a central part of church planting among Muslims. Next page… How easy it is for new believers from Muslim backgrounds to become discouraged and give up. They don't only need the Bible in their hand with instructions on how to live, they need your hand in theirs sharing their lives along with the book, leave your footprints in their lives. Give them an example to imitate. From the book "Miniskirts, Mothers, and Muslims ." Next page… How much does God love Muslim women? So much that He wants to send women like you to tell them about His love for them. To help them become disciples of Christ. To establish them in fellowship. A young couple with Frontiers went to stay in a city in Southeast Asia. In time, the wife began to see fruit among the women (meaning believing the christians). They began to meet as a small group to pray, study the Bible, evangelize, to teach their children about God and have fun together. Long before their husbands began to meet together, God had been building His church. Next this pamphlet pleads with the christian woman to do her duty and consider helping the Muslim woman. It tells her that only she can reach the Muslim woman. Then this brochure lists a 15 step process for reaching Muslim women: 1.. Love her 2.. Respect her culture by how you dress and what you do 3.. Be friendly and hospitable 4.. Pray for her 5.. Learn the language 6.. Explore her culture for the good in it 7.. Love her 8.. Share daily tasks 9.. Invite her for tea 10.. Share your life and tell your story (about how you believe in Jesus as God) 11.. Earn her trust and respect her family 12.. Respond to her deeply felt questions by teaching her what God has said 13.. Love her 14.. Love her 15.. And most of all, love her This brochure goes on to state how the Frontiers organization will train her and be there for support. They encourage team work for this planned "church planting" of Muslims. They show pictures of Muslim women covered in veils or without and no smiles. Then they show women who are supposed to be once Muslim now happy and free Christian women! Sisters and brothers.. if this doesn't convince you that these missionaries are very serious about their plan to destroy Islam- Muslim faith. well I don't know how to convince you. On the lighter side and because I am still am a smart-alec.. Don't have tea with any christian women! |
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| meraj |
| 02/27/01 at 21:40:30 |
| slm, hmm... interesting stuff... and congrats on your 1000th post ;-D |
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| Fatoosh |
| 02/27/01 at 22:40:37 |
| SalaamAlaikum Thanks for posting Jannah. May I forward it to others? -Fatoosh |
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| jannah |
| 02/28/01 at 00:43:32 |
| of course! |
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| bhaloo |
| 02/28/01 at 02:02:08 |
| slm These articles didn't suprise me. They are basically saying that Christians are going to try and convert you by showing you love and compassion. Consider these hadiths: "What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of human beings, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the sufferings of the injured." (Bukhari) "Allah will not give mercy to anyone, except those who give mercy to other creatures." (Abdullah b. Amr: Abu Daud & Tirmidhi) "Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith." (Muslim) "O Lord, grant me your love, grant me that I love those who love you; grant me, that I might do the deeds that win your love. Make your love dearer to me than the love of myself, my family and wealth." (Tirmidhi) "Whoever is kind, Allah will be kind to him; therefore be kind to man on the earth. He Who is in heaven will show mercy on you."(Abu Daud: Tirmidhi) "A Muslim who meets with others and shares their burdens is better than one who lives a life of seclusion and contemplation." (Muslim) "You will not enter paradise until you have faith; and you will not complete your faith till you love one another." (Muslim) How many Muslims do you know behave like that? Usually what I hear is don't do this, don't do that, don't, don't. Rarely does one here, how are you brother, how was your day, what did you do today, how's that basketball game coming along, etc. Compassion and caring go a long way, use wisdom when correcting someone. I remember a personal experience from a freshman English writing class, where we divided into groups of 4 people and we had to correct each other's papers. I was give a girl's paper in that group and I found all these mistakes in it and marked the paper with mistakes, but overall it was a fairly good paper. When the teacher asked me to comment on the paper, I told the group and the teacher that there were these problems in this paper and what things needed to be improved. When I finished, I noticed the girl was about ready to cry. Apparently, it was because I listed all the problems, and didn't bother to say anything good about the paper. While it is true that we should correct mistakes, we have to use wisdom, compassion, and understanding. I hope that made sense. ??? |
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| Al-Basha |
| 02/28/01 at 02:29:15 |
| Salamu Aliakom, well im not surprised, because it is well known that these missionaries have been going stir crazy and trying to convert anyone and anything to their version of christianity. I was watching a shaikh speak on the Arab TV and he mentioned something about how there are like 50,000 ppl in the middle east who converted from Islam to christianity because of missionary work. These missionaries go to Bosnia and Somalia, war stricken Muslim countries and fool the ppl there into thinking they are their friends. They say stuff like "where are your muslim friends? we are your friends, not them". and when your whole family has been shot to death and your entire town has been blown up, they get them at their weakest moments. May Allah protect us all from the fitna of the shaitan and the dajjal |
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| jehad |
| 02/28/01 at 08:06:11 |
| asalm walakum.. Not only do the ragims in muslim lands allaw missionarys to enter, they protect them and incarage them. They are invited to Muslim land and their leaders who curse our prothit are hounerd. in uzbekistan, musjids are taken by the government and converted to churches. dawa books talking about the falsehood of christianity(iza ul huq) are banned in syria. when i was in the middle east i saw many christians studying Arabic, i wounderd why they were doing it. they go to poor villiges where people are ignorent about islam and convert people to christianity using education. It is big, every one i had spoken to about the missionarys had met them. the ragims want people to be christian, christians dont want to remove the kufr ragims and replace them with khilafah. |
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| bhaloo |
| 02/28/01 at 11:02:01 |
| slm What Al-Basha said is true, they try and get you at your weekest moment. Last year when my mom had cancer this one missionary heard about it and kept enquiring how I was doing very frequently, and she would always tell me I am praying for you and your mother, etc. She was careful about getting into detailed discussions of Christianity with me. I was well aware of missionary tactics as I have had discussions with very famous ones. Finally, I got a little annoyed and then decided to just take apart a certain passage from the Bible, she gave a reply, and then said, well I guess we just have different interpretations and that it doesn't look like we will agree, and then that was it. She left, and never enquired about me again, because she realized it was a waste of her time. As soon as your respond to their falseness they leave you alone. |
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| jehad |
| 02/28/01 at 11:19:54 |
| yes, these dirty kufr kept bothering us, when my dad got cancer, they kept asking to come in so they can pray for him.. he didnt want to tell them to ££££ off as he said they are just being frendly, but i told him they are not,, they are just trying to brainwash people whose minds are too busy with something else to think over what they are saying. |
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| chachi |
| 02/28/01 at 18:04:15 |
Salaam i suggest people check out the bethany homepage for the research these people have been doing on various muslims.. these games of theirs are very very old..i posted an article from the 1800's written by the emir of afghanistan about how these doski work. these are the people who produce david koresh's and charles mansons..they even created this christian group which used sex to lure guys into christianity..they called it fishing for christ! |
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