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Abu Hurayra
Daud
03/02/01 at 14:51:41
Asalamu Alaykum!!!

Something I found on the 'net, I found "interesting" and as I like to stir up the hornet's nest... ;-) Well, here it is...

Abu-Hurayra and the Shaping
of Traditional Islam
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful


Many Muslims and non-Muslims who study Islam are overwhelmed by the number of
Ahadiths narrated by or attributed to Abu Hurayra. The corruption that entered traditional
Islam came through many false hadiths.

If we apply the supposedly rigid criteria used to select those who narrated hadiths, Abu
Hurayra will be the first one to fail the test and his hadiths will be the first to be counted
among the fabrications.

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Re: Abu Hurayra
bhaloo
03/02/01 at 12:15:43
slm

First of all brother Daud, that article is slander against a great companion Abu Huraira (ra).  The hadith you mentioned as narrated by Bukhari doesn't exist.

The article was put together by a non-Muslim group called the Submitters.  I would strongly urge you not to visit their site and be mislead by their lies.  From personal experience I spent 6 months conversing with one guy that was a submitter, answering his questions and finally, alhumdullilah by the will of Allah (SWT) he left that group.

The Submitters also reject the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saws)- not part of it, but the whole of it. For the Submitters, the Sunnah is not a source of Islam. The problems this presents are overwhelming, for by doing so the Submitters have effectively destroyed their ability to perform:

Salaat (obligatory prayers), the second pillar of Islam

Zakat (obligatory tax), the third pillar of Islam

Sawm (fasting), the fourth pillar of Islam

Hajj (pilgrimage), the fifth pillar of Islam

With four out of the five pillars of Islam removed, the Submitters have little to back their claim to being "Muslim". The true Messenger of Islam (saws) warned Muslims of falling into this trap,

Narrated AbuRafi': The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Let me not find one of you reclining on his couch when he hears something regarding me which I have commanded or forbidden [i.e. from the Sunnah -ed.] and saying: 'We do not know. What we found in Allah's Book [i.e. the Qur'an] we have followed.'" Book 40, Number 4588 of Sunan Abu-Dawud

In my discussion with the submitter that became a Muslim, the key turning point was when I showed him the book, the Prophet's Prayer Described by Shaikh Albani.  For the first time this brother saw hadiths in detail explaining how to pray completely (something which of course is not mentioned in the Quran).

We have to be very careful where we are getting our information from, and my advise to you would be to forget that website where you took this information from.  If you have any questions or concerns you can always contact me in private mail.
Re: Abu Hurayra
se7en
03/02/01 at 13:36:04

Yeah, this article is completely wack.  The collecting of the hadeeth of the Prophet [saw] is done in a very scientific manner.  It's not like, this person said Rasul [saw] said it, then it's written down and that's it.  It's truly a science and there are methods of determing the accuracy/inaccuracy of a narration.  And there are many requirements for your narration to even be taken, similar to the requirements that are necessary for you to be a credible witness.  You need to be established as someone who has a good memory, someone who is thiqa - of good moral standing, there are cross references with times and dates in order to see if the account fits in chronologically etc etc..  If you were known to lie hadeeth would not be taken from you, period.  It seems like this article was written just to back up the arguments against ahadeeth and sunnah..

That's messed up, if you want to follow the Qur'an, you *have* to follow Rasulullah [saw]:

{Say: "If you love Allah, then follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."} 3.31

{And obey Allah and the Messenger; that ye may obtain mercy.} 3.132

{These are limits set by Allah.  Those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement.} 4.13

{Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware of evil: if you turn back, know that it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim the message in the clearest manner.} 5.92

wAllahu 'alam

wasalaam.
Re: Abu Hurayra
Arsalan
03/02/01 at 13:41:42
[slm]

What a ridiculous article!  Arshad, are these Submitters some off-shoot of Ahlul Quraan?  (people who don't believe in the hadith, and only look at Qur'an as a source of guidance).

Abu Hurairah has narrated more ahaadith because he was among the Ahlus Suffah.  He would hang around the Prophet (pbuh) virtually ALL the time!  And the Prophet (pbuh) used to teach these people about the religion on a regular basis.  Also, Abu Bakr and Umar were not known to be scholars.  They were leaders of the Ummah, as well as very pious men and those with a great understanding of Islam.  They did not go about teaching people ahaadith like Abu Hurairah and others did.  

I'd write more, but I'm gonna be late for Jumu'ah ...

Wassalam.
Re: Abu Hurayra
bhaloo
03/02/01 at 13:53:05
slm

Yes Arsalan, they are an offshoot of that group, their founder was Rashida Khalifa who was a numeroligist and became obsessed by this number 19 theory (briefly, that all the verses in the Quran are some multiple of 19, and the number of characters are a multiple of 19, etc), but apparently the theory was not perfect, so he obmitted an ayah from the Quran, saying it was false, astarghfullah!  I also heard from someone else that did an analysis that the numbers were not accurate.
NS
Re: Abu Hurayra
Daud
03/02/01 at 15:32:39
I apologise everyone, I did not mean to get you all angry, I just thought it was unbelievable, they have a bunch of other wacky stuff on their web site too that was just crazy-talk.

Again, sorry. I feel like I just showed up at a vegetarian picnic with a roast beef... :-(
Re: Abu Hurayra
se7en
03/02/01 at 15:43:12

as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah,

Daud, it's all good :)  I didn't mean to jump down your throat, I'm sorry about that.

Reading this I was like *wince*... it's crazy how people will make up anything to fit their agenda.  Seriously, the people who made this garbage up are going to be held accountable for all the people they mislead.  And it's really important that when such statements are made they are corrected immediately, otherwise they will continue to spread and misguide more and more people..

anyway, again I apologize if you feel like we jumped you :)

wasalaam.
Re: Abu Hurayra
Daud
03/03/01 at 10:48:44
Yeah, I felt pretty bad after you guys responded (whimper whimper). I'll try to use my head more in the future about the subjects I bring up.

Wassalam.
Re: Abu Hurayra
humble_muslim
03/05/01 at 06:23:38
AA,

Daud, this informative article, written by a well known scholar in the UK, is a good starting point for understanding the science if hadith.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/scienceofhadith/atit.html
NS
Re: Abu Hurayra
Daud
03/06/01 at 15:12:42
Humble Muslim, Jazakullah, I'm gonna go read it raht now!!!

Wassalam.


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