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'Id Greetings
Ikani
03/02/01 at 23:26:13
http://www.geocities.com/ikstuffhia/happyid.htm Looks like 'Id's going to be this Sunday over here (Nigeria).

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PacificBreeze
03/02/01 at 16:05:01
CA: tuesday early Eid Mubarik! :)

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Mona
03/02/01 at 16:17:05
assalamu alaikum, Eid greetings to all. [color=blue] Kulli Sana wa Antum Tayyiboon [/color] The strange thing this year is that [color=blue]ISNA Canada [/color] has pronouced Eid Al-Adha to be on 5th of March as in Saudi, and unlike their US counterpart.  I think that this is a first for ISNA Canada.  Strange as I said at the beginning!  And sad ...   How about Europe?  When are people celebrating Eid there? Wassalam

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BrKhalid
03/02/01 at 16:48:11
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) I don't know about countries in continental Europe but the UK is celebrating Eid on Monday 5th Its nearly here ;-)

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Arsalan
03/02/01 at 17:08:17
[quote]The strange thing this year is that ISNA Canada  has pronouced Eid Al-Adha to be on 5th of March as in Saudi, and unlike their US counterpart.  [/quote]Whoa!!!  Are you sure about this?  From what it says on the ISNA web site (and on the letter of ISNA president - Muzzammil Siddiqui), it seems that ISNA as a whole had decided that Eid would be on the 6th. This is extremely strange!!!   I'm shocked! Can anyone else verify this?

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Mona
03/02/01 at 17:11:58
assalamu alaikum, arsalan, check it out yourself [url]http://www.isnacanada.com[/url]

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Asim
03/02/01 at 18:12:18
I am in the US and the local groups decided to do Eid on Monday! So this is just one big mess. It also highlights that there is no real authority guiding and uniting the Muslims in this country. Wasalaam.

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PacificBreeze
03/02/01 at 20:22:11
oops my bad..i jumped the gun...our MCA is doing it on tuesday...but some other masajids here and up north are celebrating it on monday! oh well....kulu aamin wa antum bikhair! :) an early eid saeed for those doing it on mon.. we had such an awesome khutbah today masha'allah.. eid mubarik m&t! :)

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sis
03/02/01 at 22:51:47
alsalamu alaykum wa rhmat Allah wa barakatuhu i am seriously confused! .......if any of u read the statement by ISNA it makes sense! ...so how come individuals in communities or say ISNA canada have said monday??? u want to know something funny?? ...on a website for my city there is announcement for eid to be monday 5th but then it refers to moonsighting.com where it says its actually on the 6th!? anyways the biggest concern of many sis's and i is that we don't want to miss the day of arafat and get it messed up?! anyone have advice?? ..it would be mucccchhhh appreaciated insha'Allah walsalamu alaykum wa rhmat Allah wa barakatuhu ps ...eidkom mbaarak insha'Allah ..may Allah ta'ala accept all our good deeds:o)

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PacificBreeze
03/02/01 at 23:04:00
sis: assalaamu alaikum wr wb, sis.. yeah..just follow your own local masjid...if there are several in the area then just pick one that you will follow and celebrate the eid with..it's as simple as that..no need to get caught up among the controversy since it's all ok..just strenghten the unity n forget the differences..it's not really a big deal... sooo..for instance..if ur place is celebrating Eid on monday then for you youmul arafah is on sunday...(dhul hij the 9th)..if your place is celebrating Eid on tuesday..then youmul arafah is on monday (dhul hij 9th).. :) and allow those who are celebrating it on a diff date accord to who and what community they are following. t'is all. so just pick which masjid you'll be participating with this Eid. :) hope this helps! :) wa salaamu alaikum :)

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Moe
03/02/01 at 23:19:53
um.. here at the mosque i go to in canada they had a post up saying that its going to be on tuesday the 6th

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Arsalan
03/03/01 at 00:50:15
Ditto Pacific Breeze! It'll take some time for people to digest the new decision of ISNA.  They are changing a practice that they had been following for almost 20 years!  And they only announced their decision in November 2000.  I'm not surprised at people's confusion/hesitation. Insha Allah, people will be more ready to accept ISNA's decision by next year.   OR ... ISNA will revert back to its old ways (doubtful). Wassalamu alaikum.

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sis
03/03/01 at 07:58:49
bro moe ya here in my city there are eid prayers organised for the 5th and 6th? .....thats what makes the confusion....however the majority in the community say monday Pacificbreeze actually i emailed a knowledgeable bro in the community about the subject and said that one organisation has chosen to go with the majority of the community and unite than differ but i still don't feel easy about it...i really don't want to miss out on arafa..? ..... hmm anyways khayr insha'Allah..i'm waiting for a few more answers ...insha'Allah then i'll try and decide... br arsalan...i agree..insha'Allah there won't be any difference in a future

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bhaloo
03/03/01 at 10:25:35
slm Aaaaaaaaaah, asdf, i can't believe this, after ISNA decided onhaving Eid on the 6th, the mosque I go to decided to have it on the 5th.  Dr. Siddiqi's mosque is on the 6th, and that's 20 miles from the mosque I go to. Anyways, this was some scholarly information I collected on the subject, maybe this will clear things up, and explain them. Is a sighting in one area binding on Muslims in other areas? Brother Suheil Lahrer said: This is a point on which scholars have differed.  According to the Shafi`i school, the sighting is not binding beyond 81 km, as stated by both Rafi`i and Nawawi.  The authentic view of the madhhab is that it is binding on a strip of thickness 81km in either direction of the place of the sighting. This strip extends from the North Pole to the South Pole. The verdicts in the standard classical references for the Hanafi, Maliki and Hanbali schools state that one sighting is binding on the whole world.   [See "Fath al-Qadir", "Mukhtasar Khalil" and "al-Mughni" respectively.]   However, the Maliki scholar, Ibn Rushd has cited consensus of the scholars that the obligation of fasting based on a sighting in another area is not observed for places which are very distant from one another, such as Spain and Arabia.  ["Bidayat al-Mujtahid", 1/288]  This verdict was also explicitly stated by the Hanafi scholars al-Kasani, al-Zayla`i and al-Kashmiri.  Sheikh Muhammad Burhanuddin Sanbheli says, "Contemporary scholars in general have gone by [the view of different sightings for] different rising-places [of the moon]."  [Qadaya Fiqhiyyah Mu`asarah, p. 94] The primary evidence for a sighting not being binding on distant places is the hadith narrated by Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi and Nasa'i, in which Kurayb traveled to Syria and encountered the start of Ramadan there on a friday.  When he returned to Medina, he informed Ibn `Abbas that he had seen the crescent-moon on the night of friday, and that the people in Syria, including Mu`awiyah the governor, had fasted on friday.  Ibn `Abbas replied that they (in Medina) had seen the crescent-moon on saturday, and that they would not stop fasting until they either saw it again, or had completed thirty days.  Kurayb asked, "Will you not suffice with the sighting of Mu`awiyah?"  Ibn `Abbas replied, "No, that is how the Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) commanded us."  The hadith is quite clear in this respect, and although it does not state the limit beyond which a sighting is not binding, this latter issue becomes a matter of ijtihad for the scholars. Rational evidence which supports this view is that just as Muslims around the globe will not pray Zuhr simultaneously, rather each area will pray based on their perspective on the sun, similarly, it is not necessary for them all to start and end fasting simultaneously.  Zayla`i reports, in his commentary on "Kanz al-Daqa'iq", that Abu Musa, a Hanafi jurist, was asked by some Muslims in Alexandria about someone who climbed the minaret, and could therefore see the sun for a long time after it had [apparently] set for the people below : is it permissible for him to break his fast?  The reply was, "No, although it is permissible for the people below, for each is held responsible based on his own circumstances."   As for the argument that following a single sighting worldwide is in the interests of unity, this is weak, for we have seen already that the Pious Predecessors themselves differed about the start and end of Ramadan, and they are the best of generations.  This difference did not cause disunity amongst them, and so there is no reason why it should for us.  Rather, the disunity we see today arises from other causes, such as ignorance, intolerance and fanaticism. Furthermore, it  is not practically possible for Ramadan or `Id to coincide exactly for all the Muslims, due to the fact that day and night occur at different times around the globe. And Allah, the Flawless, knows best. [References : "Tanbih al-Ghafil wal-Wasnan ila Ahkam Hilal Ramadan" by Ibn `Abidin; "Fath al-Qadir" by Ibn al-Humam; "Nasb al-Rayah" by Zayla`i; "Bidayat al-Mujtahid" by Ibn Rushd; "al-Mughni" by Ibn Qudamah; "al-Siyam" by Wahbi Ghawiji; "Sighting of the Hilal" and "Answer to al-Azhar's Fatwa" both by Majlis al-`Ulama' of South Africa; "Qadaya Fiqhiyyah Mu`asarah" by Sanbheli.] ;-------------------- Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Saleh Othaimeen' (may Allah have mercy on him) opinion. Question: Appearance of Ramadan Hilal or Shawwal Hilal differs between Muslim countries. So should the Muslims fast if the Hilal appears in one of those countries?   Answer: The scholars have difference of opinion regarding the issue of Hilal. Some of them view that if Ramadan Hilal appears in a place per Islamic rules, so all Muslims should start fasting. And if Shawwal Hilal appears, all Muslims should break fast. And this is famous in the Fiqh of Imam Ahmad. And from this eg. if we see the Hilal in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, then it is incumbent on all Muslims in all countries to follow this sighting for fasting in case of Ramadan and for breaking the fast in case of Shawwal. And it was based on an open statement of Allah (SWT) in the Qur'an:  "Fa man shahida minkum ash-shahr fal yasumh". and the open statement of the Hadith from our Prophet (PBUH): ): if you saw it fast, and if you saw it, break the fast. And some scholars who say that it is not necessary to fast from the appearance of Ramadan Hilal, nor to break fast in Shawwal, except for the one who saw the Hilal or agreed on the sighting in the Matale of Hilal, because Matale of Hilal differs, as agreed by people who know. So if there are any differences (of Matale), each country must follow their own sighting. If a country agrees in the Matale of Hilal, it follows, otherwise not. And this is what the Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taimiyah RHA chose. And he based this on the word of Allah (SWT): "Fa man shahida minkum ash-shahr fal yasumh". and the Hadith of the prophet (SAW): if you saw it fast, and if you saw it, break the fast. i.e. by the same daleel / method, which was used by the ones who obligate (all to follow one sighting), but Ibn Taimiyah who bases on the same Ayah and Hadith, differs (in his conclusions). If the ruling was to follow the witness and the sighter, so the ones who did not witnessed or saw it, the ruling will not be obligated on them. And if the Matale (sighting) differs, so the ruling of Hilal cannot be generalized (for them). And this is for sure a strong argument to use, based on proof (daleel) and strengthened by viewpoint and qiyas (analogy).   Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Saleh Othaimeen Translated from Arabic book: "Fatawah Islamia", (Vol. 2, p. 113), Compiled by Muhammad bin Abdul Aziz Al-Musnad, ;------------------ Finally this was taken from www.islam-qa.com Since the prophet said "Begin fasting after sighting the moon", how can muslims be fasting one on Tuesday in one part of the world and wednesday in another part. We should all begin our fast at the same time regardless of where we live. *****************We are students in the U.S. and Canada, and we face the same problem every year at the beginning of Ramadaan, because the Muslims are split into three groups:A group that fasts when the new moon is sighted in the city in which they live. A group that fasts when fasting starts in Saudi Arabia. A group that fasts when they hear news from the Muslim students’ union in the U.S. and Canada which watches for the new moon in different parts of America, and as soon as the new moon is sighted in one city, they spread the news to different Islamic centres so that the Muslims in America can start fasting on the same day, despite the great distances between the different cities. Which group should we follow? Whose sighting of the moon should we rely on? Please give us a fatwa, may Allaah reward you. Answer: Praise be to Allaah. Firstly: the fact that the moon rises at different times in different places is a well-established fact; no scholar disputes this. However, the scholars differ as to whether this matters or not. Secondly: the question as to whether different times of moonrise is something that matters is a theoretical question in which ijtihaad is permissible. Those who have knowledge of science and religion differ on this matter, and this difference of opinion is permissible; the one who has the correct opinion will have two rewards, one for being right and one for making ijtihaad; the one whose opinion is wrong will still be rewarded for his ijtihaad. The scholars’ differences on this matter may be described as one of two: some of them thought that the differences in the times of the moon’s rising was of significance, and others thought that it was not. Both groups cite evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and maybe even quote the same text, such as the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “They ask you (O Muhammad) about the new moons. Say: these are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage…” [al-Baqarah 2:189] and the hadeeth, “Fast when you see it [the new moon] and stop fasting when you see it…” The difference is one of interpretation of the texts, as each group has its own methods of deriving evidence. Thirdly: the committee has looked at the issue of confirming the new moon by calculations and what was said on this matter in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and they have studied the opinions of the scholars on this matter. They decided unanimously that astronomical calculations do not count when it comes to confirming the new moon for shar'i purposes, because the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fast when you see it [the new moon] and stop fasting when you see it…” and also: “Do not fast until you see it [the new moon] and do not stop fasting until you see it…”, and because of the evidence that is derived from these ahaadeeth. The Standing Committee on Scientific Research and Fatwas (al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah li’l-Buhooth al-‘Ilmiyyah wa’l-Iftaa’) thinks that the Muslim students’ union (or any other group representing the Muslim community) in countries where the government is not Islamic should take the place of an Islamic government in the matter of confirming the new moon for the people living in those non-Islamic countries. On the basis of the above, this union has the choice of two options: either to consider the differences in times of moonrise to be of significance, or not to do so. Then they should inform all the Muslims in their country what their opinion is, and the Muslims have to follow what they have been told, so as to unite the Muslims in their fasting and to put an end to disputes and confusion. Everyone who lives in those countries should try to sight the moon in the place where they are living, and if one or more trustworthy persons sight the moon, they should fast according to that and tell the union to spread the news. This is at the beginning of Ramadaan; at the end of the month there has to be two witnesses to see the new moon of Shawwaal or the completion of thirty days of Ramadaan, because the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fast when you see it [the new moon] and stop fasting when you see it, and if it is cloudy then complete the month with thirty days.” And Allaah knows best. Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 10/109 (www.islam-qa.com)
NS

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Zara
03/03/01 at 10:42:37
Salaams all Early Eid Mubabrak!! Br.Khalid : 'Id on Monday in the UK??? Our local mosque has announced that it will be on Tuesday. Anyways I hope y'all have a blessed 'Id Wasalaam Zara

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BrKhalid
03/03/01 at 14:18:42
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Our local mosque has announced that it will be on Tuesday[/quote] Really??? It is a shame though that we can't all celebrate Eid together :(

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PacificBreeze
03/03/01 at 15:33:39
salaams in a jiffy, sis: as bro bear put up the numerous explanations, it really ISN"T a problem..it's natural that the days will be different by some hours..and local sighting is emphasized..so it's ok..just follow the masjid you'll be doing your eid with..you won't miss youmul arafah either way...if you feel strongly about it being on sunday then fast then..if u feel strongly about it being on monday then fast then..but it should be in accordance with the local muslim community you are under..under their jurisdiction..and both reasons are fine..better for the US on tuesday b/c they didn't see the moon..but if they're going to follow it on monday then why cause a useless fitnah and make it a pt of disunity when it isn't? as in the hadeeth excerpted by the article bro bear put up, local moonsightings were more emphasized and given priority than what the other communities had seen etc.. so dont' fret..and don't feel this is a cause for disunity b/c it isn't.. ws. as for me...and my particular community, youmul arafah will be on monday..and eid on tuesday.. :) for those of you who'll be having eid on monday..u can also join those celebrating on tuesday! :) sorry am in a major hurry. ws

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BrKhalid
03/03/01 at 15:37:42
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]sis: as bro bear put up the numerous explanations, it really ISN"T a problem..[/quote] Bro Bear???

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meraj
03/03/01 at 16:06:23
slm, [quote]Bro Bear???[/quote] bro bear = bhaloo ;-D

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Arsalan
03/03/01 at 16:15:49
'bhaloo' = 'bear' in Urdu :)

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BrKhalid
03/03/01 at 17:08:58
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Thanks guys ;-) I wonder what Grizzly is in urdu or even cuddly....;)

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PacificBreeze
03/03/01 at 20:32:24
tafseer an ma'na alkalimah "bro bear" arshad's mascot is winnie the pooh bear..and his screenname's "bhaloo", the bear's name in "jungle book" and "tail spins" [besides the urdu word lol which i really didn't know before] hence, voila! 'indina akhu doob...aou "bro bear" fee inkliziyah. :) so there we have "bro bear" :)

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Kathy
03/04/01 at 11:26:50 AM
I am sad.... My husband insits on celebrating Eid on the 5th with the Hajj Group. He is taking us to a mosque far away from all my dear Sisters who will be celebrating on the 5th.

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humble_muslim
03/04/01 at 3:43:28 PM
AA As I said in a previous post,  I think that the correct opinion is too difficult tio fathom except for a very few scholars, who themselves will disagree with it.  So commoners like us should accept what the "decsion makers" say and remain silent in order to avoid fitnah.
NS

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jannah
03/04/01 at 4:53:47 PM
This whole sentimentality about "fasting" with the hujjaj or celebrating eid with them just doesn't work. When we woke up this morning they were already leaving arafat and heading to muzdalifa.. the day of arafat for them was over!!  should we then also fast with them at their times and pray with them too?

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sis
03/04/01 at 5:01:04 PM
[slm] i totally agree with u jannah.. but unfortunately not everyone understands that yet i have asked around in the community about this whole thing...and was told that its better to unite on a difference than cause fitnah over misunderstandings i really don't feel comfortable celebrating eid on monday (neither do those i asked about this situation) but i'm more inclined to now than i was before... what can i say but hasbi Allah wa ne3m alwakil

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PacificBreeze
03/04/01 at 6:12:15 PM
:-\ naturally, we are some hours behind.. shrug.. new topic: any exciting eid plans? :)

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Ikani
03/05/01 at 09:35:12
Assalamu alaikum all, Well, 'Id in Nigeria, here, was yesterday. But that doesn't stop today being a public holiday (Monday). Hey, with all the foot-and-mouth disease stories all over the news, has the 'Id in the UK been affected in anyway? Have good fun. :)

Re: 'Id Greetings
jannah
03/05/01 at 09:39:53
how on earth did you guys get eid on sunday?!

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Asim
03/05/01 at 11:08:53
Assalaamu alaikum, [quote]how on earth did you guys get eid on sunday?![/quote] Lol. Don't question the Nigerians, they are excellent at spotting the new moon :D Anyway, Ikani hope you had a great Eid! In Nigeria, they usually have one Eid prayer for the whole city, no matter how big it is. Usually it is held outside town in an open field with literally hundreds and thousands of people. It is an awesome sight and experience! Wasalaam.

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BrKhalid
03/06/01 at 06:26:57
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Hey, with all the foot-and-mouth disease stories all over the news, has the 'Id in the UK been affected in anyway?[/quote] I'm not sure how many people actually do their Qurbani over here. But I'm assuming they must have been struggling to find any livestock anyway. For the non squeamish types, has anyone actually performed their own Qurbani?

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Kathy
03/06/01 at 09:17:49
[slm] Eid Mubarek! Taqabbal Allaahu minnaa wa minka (May Allaah accept from us and from you) We are snowed in! Monday and Tuesday... Wonder what will happen in regards to Eid Prayers?

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se7en
03/06/01 at 18:29:09
as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllahi wa barakatuh, There's about 18 inches of snow on the ground here.  We were walking into a place to eat breakfast and someone walking out looked at us and said, "Isn't it a bit cold for you people?"

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Kathy
03/06/01 at 20:38:22
[slm] You people? yoi What kind of people are you?

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jannah
03/06/01 at 22:38:36
they took one look at our brown faces, jalabiyyas, imamas, jilbabs, hijabs and lenghas and thought we were straight from the desert!!!

Re: 'Id Greetings
meraj
03/07/01 at 15:28:40
slm, [quote]"Isn't it a bit cold for you people?"[/quote] 'it was until we were so warmly greeted by you nice people' ;-D ma'salaam

Re: 'Id Greetings
Ikani
03/07/01 at 17:20:30
Assalamu alaikum, And the weather's already getting hot again over here after a few cold, dry months of the Harmattan season. I often imagine travelling to the UK or US (or Siberia)during the winter, but still dressed like someone from the tropics, and how'd it would feel to step out of the plane and then have my leg frozen stiff!

Re: 'Id Greetings
Tarar
03/08/01 at 07:40:39
[slm] Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wa Barakatuh A warm greeting for 'Eid: "Taqabbal Allaahu Minnaa wa Minkum." [May Allaah accept from us and from you] waslaam u alaikum Tarar
NS

Re: 'Id Greetings
PacificBreeze
03/08/01 at 13:01:16
[quote]slm, "Isn't it a bit cold for you people?" 'it was until we were so warmly greeted by you nice people' ;-D ma'salaam[/quote] :) lol that was a cute and smooth comeback, meraj!
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