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| Anonymous |
| 03/07/01 at 14:45:49 |
| Salaam aleikom, Which woman is better: 1. A Muslimah without scarf, dressed modesty and without make-up on her faceor 2. A Muslimah with scarf, dressed with tight jeans and tight T-shirt and face full of make-up? please, your views? Salaam! |
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| princess |
| 03/07/01 at 14:55:27 |
| [quote]Which woman is better: 1. A Muslimah without scarf, dressed modesty and without make-up on her faceor 2. A Muslimah with scarf, dressed with tight jeans and tight T-shirt and face full of make-up?[/quote] walikumas'salaam warhamatullah :) that's for Allah to decide..:) we shouldn't judge ppl :) but in my opinion..i'd go with the 1st 1 :) (plz remember that's my opinion and not a fatwa ;)) ma'salaam ;-D |
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| jannah |
| 03/07/01 at 15:48:25 |
| agreed we cannot judge what is in one's heart. but wearing hijab is fulfilling a fard, while not wearing it is not. i think this kind of comparison is sometimes used as an excuse by some sisters not to wear hijab. it's a pretty good argument.. hey as long as i dress modestly --it's ok .. look at those girls' who wear hijab then flirt or wear tight jeans.. i'm better than that so it's ok. we should try to educate both types: those who wear tight clothes etc we should gently try to educate them on the purpose of hijab and how it includes more than just covering your hair for those who don't wear hijab we should gently try to educate them on the proofs of hijab, how it is fard, how important it is and the wisdom of hijab along with 'ilm and strenghthening their iman. |
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| Moonshine |
| 03/07/01 at 18:55:02 |
| Salaams, Well to this day I've never seen a hijabi with tight jeans and a T-shirt. However I've seen many wearing tons of make up, 'flashy elegant' clothes, and figure revealing trousers ):( wassalam |
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| Khathija |
| 03/08/01 at 16:19:52 |
| [slm] muslim women are required to wear hijab, which many ppl think is only the head covering. but hijab is wearing clothes that are loose, not transparent AND covering the head. so both women need to be educated like jannah said. |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 03/08/01 at 20:01:08 |
| flash statements: first one is lacking something second one isn't a good example and obviously doesn't understand the hijab concept... :( |
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| Saleema |
| 03/14/01 at 01:33:43 |
| salamu alykum, but we are always so hard on the 2nd types aren't we? To cover one's head takes guts in this environment. The point is by covering their head they are making a statment: Hey! I'm a Muslim woman. She's got guts. Secondly, how do you know that what background she came from? What type of education did she have, I'm talking about Islamic education. Did she just start hijab recently? Does she have support and encouragement from others? Or do others snub her, that she isn't good enough, that she isn't practicing enough? So many times they will stop at this level, covering the hair and ignoring other things. Or they might stop trying completely. I have a friend who started wearing hijab. She wore loose clothes even before she started observing hijab. But she didn't wear it everywhere. She wore it only to college and at other places she wouldn't wear it. So people talked about her behind her back and she found out. Some even said it to her face, some close friends of her so she stoped wearing it altogether. I'm not saying that we shouldn't advise gently but that we should look into all these questions before making strong statments and judjing people. The funny thing is that the friends told her (non-hijabis,) that she is being a hypocrite by wearing it only sometimes. That's funny. How ironic. And the ones who do observe hijab acted as if they never had to face obstacles. This friend of mine, she had a spark in her, a yearning to be a better Muslim, to practice Islam to the best of her ability. By making comments such as the ones that were made to her, they smothered that spark, hopefully not forever. "O Muhammad, We did not send you but as a Mercy to Mankind." (can't remember the verse #) And at another place Allah says that had Muhammad (S) not been gentle and merciful then the Meccans would never had accepted Islam. (correct me if I'm wrong.) Like most people, I am even harsh may times, I need to control my anger. This is something that we all should strive for. May Allah guide us all. |
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| Noura |
| 03/15/01 at 15:18:45 |
| assalaamu alaikum warhmatullahi wa barakatuh, externally, they both need help. it's not whose better, but whose code of dress is more lacking in hayaa. using a word like better will cause desensitization so plz be careful on the wording. if i was forced 2 say, i'd go w/ the hijabi b/c the hijab itself will remind her that she needs 2 wear looser clothing. the non hijabi in most cases is not likely 2 consider changing her code of dress. in my own exp, i didn't start wearing skirts/dresses/jilbaabs overnt. i was still in jeans, but gradually i changed, alhamdulilah. and at least the hijabi can be identified as muslim by other muslims. if u have an identity even if not fully developed as in the case of tight jeans sister, ur problems will be less serious than a sister who doesn't seem 2 know she's muslim (yet). rabina yihdina jamee3an. ameen. wasalamau alaikum, noura |
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| Arsalan |
| 03/16/01 at 16:44:23 |
| [slm] What is better? A hijaab which starts from the exterior, and grows into your interior, or one which starts in your heart and ultimately manifests itself outwardly? The latter, hands down! For brothers ... the same is true for the beard. |
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| jannah |
| 03/16/01 at 16:56:56 |
| [wlm] Arsalan I don't think that's exactly accurate. Hijab is fard. If you do it you're fulfilling an outward duty of Islam. I'm sure not every 12 year old girl that starts hijab fully understands inside why she is, over the years she will learn why and internalize it. So are you saying she should wait until she is 18 or 20 to then wear it? There's hijab on the individual level and also the societal level. What if we're in an Islamic society. Should we allow everyone to decide whether or not they have fully internalized it before wearing hijab? Plus I don't think the comparison to the beard is a true one since it is not unanimously fard by all the scholars of islam. |
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| Noura |
| 03/16/01 at 17:29:08 |
| assalaamu alaikum warhmatullahi wa barakatuh, i agree w/ jannah. most of the sisters i've come across in their 1st year of hijab didn't no exactly what hijab meant- if u cover ur head, ur fine. this meann they lacked an understanding of the purpose of hijab. this did not mean they had no iman in their heart. today most of them, masha'Allah, they're in jilbaab, alhamdulilah. as 4 the sisters who didn't wear it, the delay caused them 2 delay even longer. just think about what a non-hijabi is exposed 2 and what a hijabi is exposed 2 and u might come up w/ reasons y not wearing hijab will cause u Alot of problems, far more serious than needing 2 buy a looser pair jeans. the 2 live in v diff. worlds... wasalamau alaikum, noura |
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| momineqbal |
| 03/16/01 at 18:50:04 |
| Assalam aleikum sisters! Well I was reading the replies of the bros and sisters on this and I would like to add something from what Dr. Zakir Naik said about hijab. Hijab according to him is prescribed both for men and women and doesn't just mean covering externally but there is also a hijab of our heart. Hijab includes for example lowering of gaze for both men and women. I am reproducing his views here. ----- Hijab for men People usually only discuss 'hijab' in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur'an, Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala ) first mentions 'hijab' for men before 'hijab' for the women. The Qur'an mentions in Surah Noor: "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do." [Al-Qur'an 24:30] The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze. Hijab for women. The next verse of Surah Noor, says: " And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons..." [Al-Qur'an 24:31] 3. Six criteria for Hijab. According to Qur'an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijab: 1. Extent: The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of 'hijab'. All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women. 2. The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure. 3. The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them. 4. The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex. 5. The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex. 6. The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers' religions. 4. Hijab includes conduct and behaviour among other things Complete 'hijab', besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of 'hijab' of the clothes is observing 'hijab' in a limited sense. 'Hijab' of the clothes should be accompanied by 'hijab' of the eyes, 'hijab' of the heart, 'hijab' of thought and 'hijab' of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc. ---------- Wassalam Eqbal |
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| muhannad |
| 03/16/01 at 19:44:41 |
| just an interesting afterthought. In our times hijab is often equated with the scarf or covering of the head, however, this in no way agrees with its literal and shar'ee meaning, look at ayah 45 from Surah Israh for example. I think this is part of the problem that has been highighted above by others. Moreover, I believe has been due to the muslims becoming increasingly secularised and divorced from the Arabic language |
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