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| NEW Top Level domain names .UMA/.ISLAM/.MUSLIM etc |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/12/01 at 13:19:29 |
| AsalamAlay.com Peace and e-greetings be upon you, I ask this same question last year on the old Jannah.org message board... I'm asking it again now. What NEW muslim/islam themed TLDs, or Top Level Domains would you actually purchase/use/want??? Top Level domains are the ".com" & ".org" or ".net" part of regular domain names. I'm partial to www.yourdomain.uma ".UMA" I deduce from the word "Ummah". What about .Islam or .muslim or .masjid ?? ALL of these domain names would be restricted to ONLY sites with muslim run content. www.jannah.uma www.jannah.islam www.jannah.muslim www.jannah.masjid www.jannah.ummah what think?? |
| Re: NEW Top Level domain names .UMA/.ISLAM/.MUSLIM etc |
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| BrKhalid |
| 03/12/01 at 15:44:37 |
| Aslaamu Alaikum ;-) uma sounds good but maybe not so great for attracting non muslims. The others just don't seem to roll off the tongue but maybe it just needs time to get used to them |
| Re: NEW Top Level domain names .UMA/.ISLAM/.MUSLIM etc |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/13/01 at 12:41:42 |
AsalamAlay.com, Peace and e-Greetings be upon you, My idea is that all these Top Level Domains would be category or segment specific and hence, they would be restricted domains. Meaning: you could ONLY get a .UMA if your website had a majority of islam or muslim content. OR, a .UMA domain name could forward to a specific page address that had islam/muslim theme, content, info etc. say you chose http://www.khalid.uma it'd forward to http://geocities.com/khalid/islam.html Y'get the idea. I THINK that .UMA would be targeted and would be almost instantly understood by existing muslims as THE top level domain for muslims. NON-MUSLIMs would recognize .ISLAM / .MUSLIM and hence the webpages there should have a more introductory feel to them. What do you think?? |
| Re: NEW Top Level domain names .UMA/.ISLAM/.MUSLIM etc |
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| BrKhalid |
| 03/13/01 at 16:09:09 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Meaning: you could ONLY get a .UMA if your website had a majority of islam or muslim content.[/quote] Okay starting to get the idea now. But who makes the decision over content and who makes the final call as to grant the domain name? (I'm not up at all with that side of the net I'm afraid) Another point though is don't most people use search engines to find out about stuff that's out there. If so can you search by domain name? My point being you pull up all the .UMA sites there are and then go to the most relevant ones to you. One thing .UMA would do is differentiate us from the non-muslims which can never be a bad thing. |
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| Asim |
| 03/14/01 at 01:06:07 |
| Assalaamu alaikum, Okay, curiosity has gotten the better of me. Himy, why do your posts have a left margin of one or two spaces? Do you actually manually enter a new line and then add a few spaces? That is weird! Is that a leftover habit from spending too much time on IM :) Okay, back to the domain names. The idea is good but as br Khalid pointed out who will manage them. An authority has to first issue the name and then ensure that the content on these sites remain relevant. This will require the development of a constitution of sorts where rules and regulations are laid down. Seeing how Muslims unite today, it is not going to be easy :) Beyond the domain names, it would also be nice if protocols and applications on both the server and client side can be developed to serve Muslims interests (filtering, privacy, security, content classification, etc). It would be a parallel internet of sorts where someone with a particular browser can have access to these features, etc. Br. Khalid, search engines do provide searching that is restricted to certain top level domain (altavista does this for sure). Check their advanced/help pages to see how it can be used. Wasalaam. |
| If MUSLIMs ran the Internet.... |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/14/01 at 04:10:07 |
| (HiMY manually enters carriage returns to create header like white, er, Grey space) <-+->(HiMY Manually enters a few spaces on his Left margin cause HiMY thinks it is harder on the eyes when HiMY re-reads all the posts he posts AsalamAlay.com Peace and E-greetings be upon You! Thank you Khalid. Twice. Thank you Asim. Thank you all who've read this thread without any posts....yet(!) Khalid Question 1: Who gets to the Final Say so on Content and .UMA (etc) domain names? HiMY Answer 1: Who? Simply...ME. Why? 'Cuz, as far as my research has confirmed, I'm the ONLY muslim working in the Top Level Domain Name Issues. The 'Ummah' gotta start somewhere, so, InshAllah, with this one sunni muslim in Toronto, It starts. .JEW has already been claimed, .Christ has been too. so has .GOD ...no, I'm NOT kidding!!! I DUNNO if it is the case NOW but ORIGINALLY: www.islam.COM was owned by a QADIANI. SO, to avoid that or similar situation not just with a single domain name but with an entire Top Level Domain, InshAllah, I'm initiating this to secure it for present and future generations of the ummah who'll use hte internet today and tommorrow. I'll need a LOT of help...but, we gotta start somewhere, eh? /\ Blank space inserted by HiMY for aesthetic purposes \/ |
| Search Engines for .UMA .ISLAM .MUSLIM websites |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/20/01 at 03:31:11 |
AsalamAlay.com Peace and e-Greetings be upon you, Khalid point 2: Don't most people use search engines? HiMY Point 2 Answer: YES. My .UMA .MUSLIM etc TLDs or Top Level Domains Would be Restricted...but why? Think of the .EDU top level domain name. ONE can GUESS at the top level domain and hit the mark MOST of the time. example: What's the University of Toronto's url? http://www.Toronto.EDU and then it forwards to the real URL: http://www.utoronto.ca But WHY do this? Because the .EDU TLD has NOT been POLLUTED by random unreleted non-education websites. IMAGINE this: http://www.Toronto.MSA and then clicking on that takes you to the EXACT url for the U of T's Muslim Student's Association page...! The REAL url is http://www.utoronto.ca/muslim After LEARNING this 'trick' or short cut One can simple enter: http://www.AnyUniversityOrCollegeOrSchool.MSA and be confident that the website that pops up will take them to the EXACT webpage they were looking for in the first place. Hence, the 'address' field in your browser becomes your search engine entry field. Of COURSE, EVERY muslim url will be entered into the various muslim search engines. PLUS my own muslim directory I'm creating. Lastly, not to freak Huma out or anything but if she thought the MamaList was long now..... |
| Differentiation between Mu'mins & non-Mu'min sites |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/14/01 at 05:01:20 |
AsalamAlay.com Peace and e-Greetings be upon you, [quote]One thing .UMA would do is differentiate us from the non-muslims which can never be a bad thing.[/quote] Ain't that the POINT? Isn't that why we all return to Jannah.org and further, to Jannah.org/board? 'Cuz when we come to this website community, we are confident that we're not gonna get freaked out by non-muslim or non-islam themed issues or content. (My Yoda Smoking doobie JPEG notwithstanding) Likewise, With charter or domain use guidelines enforced (there's cost effective ways to do this now), The QUALITY of .UMA domains should remain high and child safe and dawah safe too. I'm also thinking of .MASJID so when one types http://www.Tokyo.masjid it'll take 'em to a directory page of Masjids/Musalahs in the Tokyo Japan Area. Or to the Main Jami Masjid of Tokyo. (Islam is the fastest growing deen in Japan) My intention would be to have EVERY masjid in existence with the correct .MASJID url. Wouldn't that ease the burden on MuSafirs (one who travels), Locals, muslim websurfers? N.B. .MASJID is correct and .MOSQUE is incorrect. I personally spoke with T.B. Irving in San Jose California in April of 1992, a few weeks after Ramadhan that year and he Taught us that the word MOSQUE comes from the Kaffir Inquisition in Andalusia. After 1492, and Qurtaba/Granada Fell, The Catholic Inquisitors, saw SO MANY minarets across the Spanish Landscape, that They hated it SO MUCH, they called the minars of the Masjids "MOSQUITOS". Just Like the little inspect. Their intention was to wipe out the symbol of Islam in Spain. That is, the Masjid. The Minar, along with the Dome, are hallmarks of Islam. Over time, the Kaffirs got lazy and started to call Masjids not 'mosquitos' but a slang word of 'mosque'. Muslims today get off the 747, enter a non-muslim language country and naively assume 'MOSQUE' is english for Masjid. Think of the following Conversation: "Hey Yasmine, it's time to go Pray Fajr at the Jami {Building the Enemies of Islam want to wipe out}, hurry up yaaar!" "MASJID" comes from the word SAJDAH. In arabic when we put the letter MEEM or "M" in front of a word it means either "one who does" or "Place that is". Hence, M + Sajdah = Masjid. Or, Place where One does Sajdah. Sajdah is of course, when we prostrate or bow face down. |
| Re: NEW Top Level domain names .UMA/.ISLAM/.MUSLIM etc |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/14/01 at 05:13:40 |
AsalamAlay.com Peace and e-greetings be upon you [quote]Beyond the domain names, it would also be nice if protocols and applications on both the server and client side can be developed to serve Muslims interests (filtering, privacy, security, content classification, etc).[/quote] Asim's Quote pretty much sums up what I'm doing and have been doing since middle of last year. It's what I call an 'OuterNet' or Dual Domain. Think AOL: [quote]It would be a parallel internet of sorts where someone with a particular browser can have access to these features, etc.[/quote] AOL has its OWN INTERNAL domain with its own internal policing, policies, content users and features. Hence a 'parallel' net. Then AOL allows their internet users to access the greater INTERNET, or a SECOND DUAL DOMAIN out there. Think of AOL as having one BIG FIREWALL to keep us non-aol-paying customers out and their aol customers able to peek out and see the web from inside aol's domain. But AOL has much Sodomite and Zina content too, just look at their chat room lists. Is there any reason an online 'gated community' of sorts, with Shariah Rules in force and respected, can't function? Of course not. The non-muslims are building their online worlds with great success, look at BlackPlanet and GlobalMecca for example, Ain't it our turn ? ? ? eh? |
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| BrKhalid |
| 03/14/01 at 17:00:57 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]SO, to avoid that or similar situation not just with a single domain name but with an entire Top Level Domain, InshAllah, I'm initiating this to secure it for present and future generations of the ummah who'll use hte internet today and tommorrow. I'll need a LOT of help...but, we gotta start somewhere, eh? [/quote] Absolutely Br HiMY. I was recently talking to a brother who was telling me how Yusuf Islam first started his school in London with a solitary residential house which he bought for teaching children. If you don’t start somewhere, how are you going to finish? And besides, as was said recently, we each have to use our own specific abilities to benefit the Ummah in whatever way we can. [quote] /\ Blank space inserted by HiMY for aesthetic purposes \/ [/quote] lol [quote] My intention would be to have EVERY masjid in existence with the correct .MASJID url. Wouldn't that ease the burden on MuSafirs (one who travels), Locals, muslim websurfers? [/quote] That would be amazing if it could be done [quote] Is there any reason an online 'gated community' of sorts, with Shariah Rules in force and respected, can't function? Of course not. The non-muslims are building their online worlds with great success, look at BlackPlanet and GlobalMecca for example, Ain't it our turn ? ? ? eh? [/quote] A Muslim Community online where we could 100% control the content? Okay that sounds to good to be true. Is it really possible? Br HiMY, fantastic ideas. Keep us posted and let us know how we can help. |
| Israel CONTROLS .PS:dot PaleStine Top Level Domain |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/20/01 at 03:08:45 |
AsalamAlay.com Peace and e-Greetings be upon you Article's url is http://DotPalestine.HiMY.org Dot-PS: Domain Without a Country 2:00 a.m. Jan. 12, 2001 PST Wired Curfews, fighting and economic embargoes -- all part of the Palestinian struggle for statehood -- have delayed the implementation of their "state" on the Internet, the dot-ps top level domain. "In certain times, we had to shut down because we were afraid the fighting would spill over to where our center is," said Ghassan Qadah, dot-ps administrator and the senior technology advisor to the Palestinian National Authority. "The Intifada really affected the whole thing." In March 2000, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers delegated dot-ps as the country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) for the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Country code domains indicate the nation of origin of computers on the Internet such as dot-br for Brazil and dot-jp for Japan. ICANN's move came after the United Nations decided to use "PS" as a code to represent the Palestinian Territories in its list of U.N.-recognized countries and territories. The U.N.'s list, ISO3166-1, forms the basis of existing country-code domains on the Internet. Although the dot-ps domain was properly delegated last year, the ccTLD has languished. Only one domain name is operational -- gov.ps -- while Qadah and the Palestinians figure out the tricky business of running a domain name registry and registering domains. All this was complicated by the latest Middle East unrest that began in October 2000 and has left almost 400 dead, most of them Palestinians, Qadah said. "We couldn't buy equipment, and even conducting interviews was difficult because of the siege on cities and towns," Qadah said. The servers necessary for the operation were delayed by three months at Israeli-controlled borders. Qadah said the movement of the engineers who run the Palestinian Authority's wide area network were severely limited. "Most of the problems we are facing is the inability to travel," he said. "Most of our engineers come from all over." But perseverance has paid off for the Palestinians: "We expect the whole domain to be operational for commercial purposes by the end of (January)," he said. To prevent a land rush of domain names, only Palestinians and Palestinian entities will be able to register dot-ps domain names for the first 3 to 6 months of operations, he said. After that, anyone will be able to register domain names under dot-ps. "We will protect international trademarks and we will protect geographic locations like jerusalem.ps," Qadah said. Like the fate of Jerusalem on the ground, the fate of jerusalem.ps remains unclear. Qadah said that the domain, along with other geographic domains, will be reserved. He added, however, that a decision remains to be made about the use and ownership of jerusalem.ps. Qadah said that local Internet service providers like Palnet, the largest Palestinian ISP, will offer dot-ps domain name registrations. Indeed, Palnet and companies like it are eager to switch their URLs to the dot-ps space. "We expect most Palestinians that are in dot-com or dot-org will move to dot-ps," Qadah said. Until now, the relatively few Palestinians with Internet access at home had to choose between ISPs that used generic domain extensions like dot-com, or ISPs that used dot-il for Israel. ...Continued in NEXT post in this thread. ~ HiMY! ~ |
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| Dot-PS: Domain Without a Country Part TWO |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/20/01 at 03:35:35 |
...continuing from previous post... "Because of the political situation, a lot of Palestinians didn't want dot-il in their e-mail address," explained Yaser Doleh, the technical administrator for the dot-ps domain. Qadah said that the dot-ps name space means a lot to his people, many of whom literally are not free to move about their own neighborhoods due to curfews imposed on them by the Israeli government. "I think it's an important symbol for the Palestinian state," he said. Not everyone agrees. Jeremy Kutner, a Harvard law student at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society, believes that country code Top Level Domains are divisive and balkanize the Internet. {HiMY's comment: If he believes country code Top Level Domains, or ccTLDs, Balkanize the internet, then perhaps the ccTLD for ISRAEL balkanizing Palestine in the first place is where Mr. Kutner Harvard Law Student's argument should begin, eh?} "Observers had previously conceived of the Internet as a borderless universe where remnants of nationalism have no place," Kutner said in an article he recently co-wrote. "However, this global ideal seems to have been slowly displaced by a nationalist reality." Kutner, who is Jewish, said that the current country code system leads to what he called the inappropriate result of the dot-ps domain: "It seems to legitimize their case and that's going to cause political problems," he said. {HiMY's comment again: Just RE-READ the above paragraph....cause POLITICAL problems?? for who? Inappropriate result?? ya? really...?? No kidding} Ahmad Mousleh, a sales manager for Palnet, said it's a question of equality. "All the countries in the world have their own domain name and we should be like everyone else," Mousleh said. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict has spilled onto cyberspace before, with both sides guilty of waging an infowar of hacking attacks and mass-mailed hate messages. Doleh said he experienced this first hand as the U.S. mirror of the dot-ps registry came under attack. "There were a lot of attempts to break in to the server," he said. Still, Qadah said that like the basic premise of the future state of Palestine, the dot-ps domain had been accepted by the other side. "The Israelis have accepted the premise of a Palestinian state and so they have not given us any problems with the dot-ps domain," Qadah said. [img]http://geocities.com/superhimy/asalamalaycom/masjidalaqsa.jpg[/img] |
| The Trouble with Wiring Palestine |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/20/01 at 03:40:46 |
The Trouble With Wiring Palestine by Oscar S. Cisneros 2:00 a.m. Jan. 12, 2001 PST Wired This article's url is http://WiringPalestine.HiMY.org Salwa Ziada would like to keep learning about computers and the Internet, but Israeli-imposed curfews keep the Palestinian girl from reaching the community computing center set up for refugees like her. "Our center is near one of the flash points," said Zahid Nwor, chief executive of Enlighten, a United Kingdom charity that seeks to establish computer-aided learning centers in the Palestinian refugee camps of the Middle East. "Because of the current situation, we had to cancel all of our classes because the children couldn't actually leave their homes due to the curfews." Months and months of clashes by Israelis and Palestinians have led to more than 380 deaths, primarily Palestinian. Behind the headlines of Palestinian and Israeli aggression in the Palestinians' struggle for statehood, a quiet story is emerging about a young Arab society taking baby steps in its technological infancy. In contrast to their Israeli neighbors whose techno-wizards begat the wildly popular ICQ instant messaging network, Palestinians are struggling to develop computer and Internet literacy in a nonexistent state with a lagging technological infrastructure. But Palestinian boys and girls like Salwa Ziada are receiving the help of groups like Enlighten and Across Borders, another nonprofit advocating for technological literacy. "It's not just the skills they're going to get at the center, but it's also the hope and opportunity they're going to get," Nwor said. "These people have been disadvantaged for quite some time." The organization's surveys show that the task of bringing the Palestinian people access to technology as well as computer and Internet literacy is a daunting one. According to statistics compiled by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, only 11 percent of Palestinian households in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have computers. A mere 2 percent of households have access to the Internet. Resources are also an issue. The typical cost on an Internet connection is $25 a month, while the average Palestinian worker makes $300 a month. (Gathering these figures has become a bit more challenging since the Israeli army shelled the Bureau of Statistics office in Ramallah in November 2000.) Enlighten's founders have seen the reality of these conditions on the ground. "We went to Gaza and we were quite shocked by the conditions in the refugee camps," said Nwor. "We thought, 'You could build a library there and put in lots of books,' but a lot of that information is already on the Internet." Still, the nonprofit has a resource crunch of its own. Although leaders would like to teach Microsoft Word, Powerpoint, and how to find information on the Internet to all 9,000 children in the Bureij Camp of Central Gaza, their facilities only allow them to reach 70 students every two months. "We have so much demand that it's difficult to decide who should be in the courses," Nwor said. "We hope to expand the center and set up two or three more centers in the next three months." The aspiring artists of the Palestinian community will have to wait while the computer-focused children seeking Information Technology (IT) careers get training first, he said. For now, no children are receiving training while the Intifada rages on. Across Borders faces a similar plight. The nonprofit was spun off the IT unit of Birzeit University. Its mission is to connect refugees in disparate camps through technology and to promote technological literacy. Like Enlighten, some of its community centers are off-limits. ....concluded in NEXT post... |
| The Trouble With Wiring Palestine |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/20/01 at 03:43:56 |
....Concluding from previous post... "The current events and the closure come at (a) very bad time," said Marwan Tarazi, director of the IT unit. "It's impossible to get into Gaza and once you get into Gaza you have to go through three zones that are blocked." "We need to get out trainers in there." Even with three centers located in refugee camps and more in the planning stages, Tarazi said the task at hand presented many challenges. "You don't have much Internet access, you don't have many computers -- even at schools," he said. Still, Across Borders has had some success in establishing Internet cafes throughout the Palestinian territories. The cafes have been well-utilized by the Palestinian people, he said. "If you give children computers and you give them Internet access, they start playing with it," Tarazi said. "It's not hard. They can learn this. "You have one-third of the population in school at any given time," he said. "That means that if you introduce a good IT program you can get one-third of your population IT-literate." Ghassan Qadah, senior technology advisor to the Palestinian National Authority, agreed. "Palestine is a young society," Qadah said. "You have lots of people between the ages of 10 and 30. These are the people that can adapt quickly." The focus on children shows promise. Statistics show that of Palestinians over the age of 18, only 5.4 percent have access to the Internet. By contrast, 23 percent of Palestinian children aged 6 to 17 have access to the Internet. But training and literacy needs can often be overshadowed by infrastructure concerns. Once again, politics is a deterrent to Palestinian progress. "It's forbidden by the Israeli government for the Palestinian people to have a direct connection to the Internet backbone," said Ahmad Mousleh, a sales manager for Palnet, the largest Palestinian Internet service provider. Because of this, Palestinian ISPs must lease their bandwidth through Israeli ISPs rather than purchase their virtual pipe straight from an Internet backbone provider, he said. Palnet resells the bandwidth it purchases through Barak Avital Information Systems. Mousleh said the ban on outgoing telecommunications also applies to telephone networks. The Palestinian National Authority is in the process of modernizing its networks, said Qadah, who runs the PNA's Government Computing Center. Disparate governmental ministries in the territories can now share data easily. Plans are also underway to connect Palestinian educational institutions to the wide area network and to connect the network to the ultra-high speed European research networks by year's end. Of course, such a network requires 24-hour care by computer engineers, Qadah said. That's a task made difficult when the geeks can't get past Israeli checkpoints. "We are developing an IT strategy across Palestine," he said. "Of course, the Intifada doesn't help; it slows things down." |
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| Help Wanted |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 03/20/01 at 04:09:26 |
AsalamAlay.com Peace and e-Greetings be upon you, Well BrKhalid, YOu asked how you can help? First, I assumed you at some point were addicted to the MamaList? http://jannah.org/mamalist Instead of the current Informal Alphabetic sequence and listing, what categories or heirarchy or organizing system would you wanna see? Well, Don't just think about it, Post a message with ANY and ALL categories you can come up with! Somewhere Up there in this thread, I've suggested a few 'categories': MSAs, MASJIDs, Imagine if YAHOO's 25,000 plus categories were begun with MUSLIM themes ...what would those initial theme categories be? or in other words, how would you re-organize your own mamalist?? |
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| Re: NEW Top Level domain names .UMA/.ISLAM/.MUSLIM etc |
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| BrKhalid |
| 03/21/01 at 06:20:17 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote] Post a message with ANY and ALL categories you can come up with! Somewhere Up there in this thread, I've suggested a few 'categories': MSAs, MASJIDs, Imagine if YAHOO's 25,000 plus categories were begun with MUSLIM themes ...what would those initial theme categories be? or in other words, how would you re-organize your own mamalist?? [/quote] Hmm..okay I'm still thinking on that one. One point that I wanted to make though was how do you eventually go about categorising different sites once you've decided on your categories? There are lots of sites which are "general" in nature. For example if you had a category for Qu'ran resources would you include all sites which had a Qu'ran page? I can't help but feel that at the end of the day it has to be user driven, namely why do we as muslims and non muslims visit Islamic websites. Personally, I think if you can get a handle on that, you'll go a long way in determining how you want to compose your list. [quote] Kutner, who is Jewish, said that the current country code system leads to what he called the inappropriate result of the dot-ps domain: "It seems to legitimize their case and that's going to cause political problems," he said. [/quote] Inappropriate??? Okay sorry for repeating that, but as far as wack goes, that has to be off the scale! |
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| Enayath |
| 03/22/01 at 23:50:06 |
| Assalamu 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh Br HiMY, First let me say that I am very happy that someone finally has the same thoughts as I do. I have been thinking in the same lines for the past several years and have not seen any efforts by any muslim groups or anyone in particular towards that kind of work. As I work in the internet world I know what you are mostly talking about. My question is this 'How can I help?' Please let me know if I can be of any help. Oh yes, you can email me too if you think that is easy for you. Ma Salaama Enayath/AbuTanweer |
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