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T H E  I N T R O D U C T I O N
AbuKhaled
03/15/01 at 11:37:32
Introducing Abu Khaled... Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullah. So, finally, here it is. What all of some of you have been waiting for, demanding, campaigning for, pressuring me into. Read it and weep! My name is Abu Khaled. It is good having a name. It helps people identify you. Like, if I was in a room amongst lots of people and you called out, "Abu Khaled!" I might turn around (then again I might not). That way you’d know it was me. But what if other Brothers turned around too? That’d be kinda confusing huh? And what if one of them was a Sister? That’d be just plain wrong. Especially cos’ you’re not supposed to shout out when people are praying. In a masjid too! Tut tut... I am a Muslim. I’m over 10 years old (honest). I once didn’t. I’m not taller than a Olympic pole vault pole. Sometimes I get tired. If I were married I wouldn’t be single. Or the other way around. I don’t drive a truck, and I have never touched my beating heart. I like some                               things. But there            are             other things       I don’t. I like to breathe. Not breathing is something I don’t like. I also like not bumping into things. Along with not liking bumping into things too. But that’s just me. When I look up I see things which are above me. No, really. If you ever need a friend...                  ...befriend someone. I have a good sense of humour. You can tell, I know this. I’m pretty sure I’m not someone else. I think if you were me, you’d know things about me that I wouldn’t want you to know. And that scares me. Wisdom has two syllables, whereas syllables has three. Go figure. Once I had *such* fun. And not only once only. Once. Here’s a secret I’ll share with you, just cos’ you’re my Brothers’n’Sisters’n’all (I’m kinda sentimental that way). Did you know that if you spell backwards backwards then you actually have and haven’t. Spelt it backwards that is. Spooky huh? Yeah, I know. I’m afraid of wasting time. I always ask myself, "What if time suddenly turned on you as you were about to waste it, snatch the gun out of your hand, and waste you instead?!" Not a pleasant thought. These are some things I thought I’d share with you all, about myself. I’ve already shared them with me. Now, please fill in my Quest-Ionnaire. Abu Khaled P.S. You guys should think yourself lucky, cos’ I put myself on the line for you here. I broke a rule of the Bebzi Stand to do this. It says, and I quote "introductions by new Madina residents". And I’m hardly one of them now am I?

Re: T H E  I N T R O D U C T I O N
BrKhalid
03/15/01 at 12:07:24
What do members of The Alliance think? Was this good enough?

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Asim
03/15/01 at 12:36:36
Assalaamu alaikum, FilterNoise(AbuKhaled'sIntro) = {[i]empty set[/i]} [quote]Was this good enough?[/quote] No! Abu Khaled, answer the Quest-Innaire also. You know I spent an hour filling that out! Not to mention the hours I spend reading your posts ;)

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bhaloo
03/15/01 at 12:39:22
slm To quote sister Saleema, "Sheesh, ATTITUDE!"  :)

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Magableh
03/15/01 at 13:03:32
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraktuhu. My fellow Brothers and Sisters, Not that I want to go against the alliance or anything :), but, you have to give the Brother some credit. He put a lot of thought into his intro...lol. If our Dear Brother Abu Khaled wants to keep this "air of mystery" about him, I think it's cool! After all, if we scare him away, how would we ever reap the benefits of his knowledge that he brings to the board? :) Hey, I got your back, Brother! (lol) Just my two cents worth! Wa'assalam Serena

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Mona
03/15/01 at 13:28:18
Assalamu alaikum, I think he's trying another riddle on us. Abu-Khaled, you call that an introduction?? An introduction to lameness maybe!! No deal with you until you comply with all of our 2 [got that, T W O ] demands.  We'll see who holds out till the end ;) Wassalam

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AbdulBasir
03/15/01 at 13:46:19
I am new on this board and I was interested to know more about the eloquent AbuKhaled as well. So I rushed to read the introduction with anticipation. But subhanallah maybe this brother (or sister?? :)j/k) with such knowledge and a sense of humor also is very shy and doesn't want to broadcast his life history to the entire world wide web. Perhaps AbuKhaled thrives in the anonymity of this board, perhaps it allows him to fully and frankly express himself and come out of his shell. Perhaps he wants to contribute to this board and provide benefit and knowledge to others without any fear of doing it for any other reason but for the sake of Allah. Yaa AbuKhaled your mysteriousness and evasiveness can be somewhat annoying :) but your modesty and shyness is commendable. But understand the questionaire is very personal and being our brother and given standard group dynamics concerning interactions and reciprocity everyone just wanted to know more about their brother. Forgive my poor psychoanalysis, but if you weren't so darned mysterious, we wouldn't be wasting time talking about all this :)... [slm] all :)

Turning up the heat!
AbuKhaled
03/15/01 at 14:45:49
Wa-alaikum assalam wa rahmatullah to you each.  :D Are we having fun yet? Lol! <Was this good enough?> Oh, come on, admit it, you were secretly enamoured by my intro. One man’s crusade against the mighty A-LIE-ance? David and Goliath and all that? That begrudging admiration that descends over two Generals as they meet on the field before battle commences… *smug grin* <You know I spent an hour filling that out!> Awww…bro Asim, my apologies. But hey, spare a thought for me too you know. It wasn’t easy holding that gun to your head. Lol! <Not to mention the hours I spend reading your posts> Again, I’m sorry for forcing you to do this. *rofl* Gimme a break! Do you think it takes less time reading them than writing them?! Lol! I love you bro. You ma blood (thas from da FunkMasta! 8-) ). <but, you have to give the Brother some credit. He put a lot of thought into his intro...> Yeah! Don’t be so stingy with the credit! <An introduction to lameness maybe!!> Must be the standards of that detective work in the Analytical Skills Dept. rubbing off on me. Yikes! Hehe… Hey, isn’t that run by you Sister Mona? Oops! :D <No deal with you until you comply with all of our 2 [got that, T W O ] demands. We'll see who holds out till the end> And so it was with John Rambo. Picture that scene as he walked along the bridge and the Sheriff drives up. He just wanted to be left alone, seeking a peaceful life. But they wouldn’t let him alone. They kept pushing and pushing. Fast forward to that end scene in the shop. He’s brought havoc to the whole town. What does he tell his ex-leader? That he didn’t want all of this. But they wouldn’t leave him alone. They wanted a war, so he gave ‘em one! They didn’t realise who they were dealing with. *rofl* 8-) Lol! :-P <but if you weren't so darned mysterious, we wouldn't be wasting time talking about all this ...> Okay, so lemme recap the reasoning here: Abu Khaled’s supposed mysteriousness is the cause of you wasting your time. Kinda like cause and effect right? One *necessarily* leads to the other. Right, got it, thanks. Abu Khaled PS: I know that’s not what you meant Brother AbdulBasir, and I think I know that you know that I know (!). I just like messin’ with you guys. ;)

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jannah
03/15/01 at 17:37:34
Abu Khaled, the Alliance is going to squish you like a bug!!!  what the heck was that!! and AbdulBasir you better stop protecting him cause as far as the Alliance is concerned, you haven't intro'd yourself either!!! [quote] But subhanallah maybe this brother (or sister?? :)j/k) with such knowledge and a sense of humor also is very shy and doesn't want to broadcast his life history to the entire world wide web. ... But understand the questionaire is very personal and being our brother and given standard group dynamics concerning interactions and reciprocity everyone just wanted to know more about their brother. [/quote] He wrote the questionnaire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it's so personal why does he expects us to do it ??

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BrKhalid
03/15/01 at 18:40:30
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Oh man the above posts were too funny!!! :D I'm telling you guys, no one uses words like "secretly enamoured" but a Brit. Trust me I should now. If I'm wrong I'll eat my.........camel???

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bhaloo
03/15/01 at 18:50:18
slm Its obvious he's from across the pond for a number of reasons.  Us Americans aren't capable of speaking like this.  Secondly, Abu Khaled's attempt at trying to sound "funky" are really bad.  Se7en needs to give a class on slang again.  Also another reason is that I ecall him mentioning coming to the states and wanted some information on speakers and travel information.   Brother Khalid my eyes were playing tricks on me.  When I saw the last line of your post I thought it said Bint instead of Brit.  This is how I read your post. I'm telling you guys, no one uses words like "secretly enamoured" but a Bint (daughter). Trust me I should now. If I'm wrong I'll eat my.........camel

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AbdulBasir
03/15/01 at 19:40:34
[quote]He wrote the questionnaire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it's so personal why does he expects us to do it ??[/quote] Maybe cuz he knows that some ppl out there will respond and aren't shy about it. It's like in any classroom; some ppl will always raise their hands and volunteer information in a snap, others won't, and they have their reasons. [quote]you better stop protecting him cause as far as the Alliance is concerned[/quote] I'm just an innocent bystander here, not getting involved...but I like his style...messin with ppl's head...Way to stick it to the Alliance bro! You see how your eloquence has confused them!

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princess
03/15/01 at 19:56:51
walikumas'salaam warahmatullah :) [quote] I am a Muslim.[/quote] that makes the 2 of us :) [quote]I’m over 10 years old (honest).[/quote] we have something in common :) [quote]I’m not taller than a Olympic pole vault pole.[/quote] this depends on who is lookin up @ me really ;) [quote]Sometimes I get tired.[/quote] u and me both :) [quote]I have a good sense of humour. You can tell, I know this.[/quote] i don't..but it's really something u all have to live with :) [quote]I’m pretty sure I’m not someone else.[/quote] this depends on who is asking :) thanks for ur time :) i think mysterious is great :) stay that way :) ma'salaam ;-D

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Saleema
03/15/01 at 22:02:26
Assalam ualykum, I'm not amused.

Re: T H E  I N T R O D U C T I O N
Kathy
03/16/01 at 10:08:16
AbuKhalid who??? The tribe has spoken...

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Zara
03/18/01 at 10:42:16
[slm] Yeh Saleema I agree with you I am not amused either... [B]Br. Khalid[/B] What's with the secrecy any way?? I mean you ask soo many questions and yet do not answer the same ones yourself? [wlm] Zara

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BrKhalid
03/18/01 at 17:00:03
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Br. Khalid. What's with the secrecy any way?? I mean you ask soo many questions and yet do not answer the same ones yourself?[/quote] Charming ain't it? Br Abu Khaled refuses to answer his own questions and *I* get the stick for it!! ;-) Looks like the standoff is going into its second week. I wonder if we should try and make a deal? [Of course the double post was to emphasise the difference between our names and nothing to do with me being a complete dimwit!!]

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Mona
03/18/01 at 18:00:39
Assalamu alaikum :-) [quote][Of course the double post was to emphasise the difference between our names and nothing to do with me being a complete dimwit!!] [/quote] Uhhh, the lengths that [i]some [/i]would go to in order increase the number of their posts :P I guess on some level, I am guilty too *blush*! So let me ask you br. Khalid, why are you so keen in ending this 'stand-off'? [quote]I wonder if we should try and make a deal?[/quote] wassalam

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BrKhalid
03/18/01 at 18:18:01
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) The way I see it is threefold : [list] [1]Br Abu Khaled may seriously not want to answer his own questions. Therefore if we offer him some sort of carrot, we may get something out of him which is better than nothing.[/list] [list][2]Alternatively, he’s messing with us and why should we give him the satisfaction of drawing out this standoff ;-)[/list] [list][3]When’s all said and done, as Muslims we should all unite in the end. Besides isn’t the one who greets his brother first after a period of estrangement the better? Might as well beat him to some reward ;)[/list] Of course I’m a mere soldier in the Alliance. I leave the high level strategy plans to our big wig generals ;-)

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Arsalan
03/18/01 at 19:41:04
[slm] Only a *week* and the alliance is already wavering?!? May Allah help us.   Abu Khaled.  The alliance will continue.  UNTIL our demands (both of them) are met. NO compromise!  Even if I am the last one standing ...

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princess
03/18/01 at 20:06:31
[quote]Even if I am the last one standing ...[/quote] as'salaamualikum :) will the REAL alliance member plz stand up, plz stand up ;) some alliance, LOL :) ma'salaam ;-D

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bhaloo
03/18/01 at 23:39:06
slm Whose running the alliance?  We need someone tough that won't back down.  Kashif?  Arsalan?  Saleema?

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Arsalan
03/18/01 at 23:45:11
bhaloo, it's the Den Mother!

Re: T H E  I N T R O D U C T I O N
jannah
03/19/01 at 00:00:21
do *not* call me that ever again. the only person that can call me that is oba (omar bin abdullah editor of horizons) capice??? !!! now about the alliance...i think it's only fair that if someone asks a question they answer it. it's only fair... see how fair this alliance is...not like the mafia at all......he doesn't answer, we don't answer...we'll just return his favor...we won't put abu khaled in cement shoes (yet) :) btw arsalan the alliance likes your no compromise stand.. you'll do well, but if you ever call me that again a certain internet depection of you might mysteriously show up on the front page of the madina :D

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PacificBreeze
03/20/01 at 12:32:29
salaams, i'm semi-new..i think i registered a week or two ago..? from the west coast..and i've spilt info all over the board.. :) masha'allah this brd has some islamically nifty & interesting posters, that one doesn't have to be so concerned or active on the board at all times. :) everyone giving each other cool naseehahs and info! keep it up! :) wa salaams. PacificBreeze....... (my formal intro..do i get gushing welcomes? :P )

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bhaloo
03/20/01 at 12:39:34
slm That wasn't a formal intro. :)  Pacific Breeze has alhumdullilah good knowledge of Islam and is a moderator along with myself on another board.  She has access to some good books and scholars and is always a good source to ask about Islamic matters, alhumdullilah.

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meraj
03/20/01 at 12:46:08
slm, wlcome aboard pacbreeze... enjoy you're stay inshallah :) - the welcoming committee ma'salaam

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BrKhalid
03/20/01 at 12:46:55
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Doesn't "nifty" rhyme with shifty? ;-) What's the deal with these half hearted intros anyway? I can see Br Abu Khaled is winning over more minds than we may think! ;-)

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Al-Basha
03/21/01 at 00:14:56
[slm] Hmm, what's the alliance? I certainly don't remember being part of any alliance.

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Zara
03/22/01 at 08:59:22
Salaams :) I didn't notice the distinction between [B]Abu Khaled[/B] and [B]Br.Khalid[/B] I thought you two bro's were one person :) I think you both need to do an intro and stop being soo evasive.   Are you both in alliance to say little and inquire much about the medina board regulars???? Wasalaam Zara

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Nazir_Ismail
03/22/01 at 09:19:41
Saleema what are not amused about?

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Nazir_Ismail
03/22/01 at 09:20:08
Kathy whats this tribe thing then?

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Kathy
03/22/01 at 09:32:20
The Madinat Al-Muslimeen tribe who has formed the allience.

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BrKhalid
03/22/01 at 11:23:11
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Abu Khaled and Br.Khalid I thought you two bro's were one person  [/quote] If I had a pound for every time someone said that..... ;-) [quote]I think you both need to do an intro and stop being soo evasive.   [/quote] We all think Br Abu Khaled should do an intro and stop being sooo evasive. Join the queue Sr Zara ;-) [quote]Are you both in alliance to say little and inquire much about the medina board regulars? [/quote] Okay which side am I on again???

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Saleema
03/23/01 at 12:56:22
Assalam ualykum, I stand by my alliance till the end right there with Arsalan!! I'm not amused with AbuKahlid not introducing himself and not answering his own questionare. wassalam

Answering the critics
AbuKhaled
03/23/01 at 17:42:18
Beloved Brothers & Sisters, Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullah. Joking aside, there is a fine line between jocular inquisitiveness and being nosey, and I’m not pointing any fingers, so nobody take it personally! I love each and everyone of you for the sake of Allah (awj). I benefit by you, learn from you, laugh because of you, even sometimes feel a little heartbroken as a result of you (i.e. some of the problems raised here), and thus remain indebted to you. I cannot help but feel that because of you – bit’ithnillah ta’ala - I am more than I would be were it not for you, may Allah ta’ala honour each of you.   I don’t object to reciprocity, but I do object to allegations of being secretive, when Allah ta’ala has granted me the right to privacy. I never ask(ed) personal questions of no benefit, and the Quest-Ionnaire – as I mentioned – was to serve a wider purpose, not to just know people and pry. None of the questions, you will have noticed, were asking anyone to reveal personal details about themselves in the same vein as an introduction, or were of no benefit in knowing. Nor did I expect replies, for I did not have that right. Whoever answers, and whoever doesn’t, has exercised their own prerogative. Them doing so does not remove me the right to likewise exercise mine. I don’t consider that unfair, for it could only be so in the presence of an unwarranted expectation. Ask your questions, but don’t demand your answers. That said, it does not mean I am not going to answer my Quest-Ionnaire. Nor does it mean I am... We’ll see. I know you guys thrive off my ambivalence, lol! ;) I want to relate to you something, but I want  it to be kept in context. Despite the generality of it’s import, it doesn’t apply to those who are genuinely busy with necessary matters. So please bear that in mind. Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem. Shaykh Hamza related the following, which I transcribed virtually verbatim, and edited only ever so slightly, which I will indicate for the sake of honest reproduction of his words. My own additions will be in square brackets with my initials: "People often say ‘I don’t have any time, I don’t have any time.’ [...] Your life is nothing other than time. That’s the *one* thing you *do* have, is time. People who say ‘I don’t have any time are fooling themselves. It’s a delusional state. It’s that you *don’t have baraka in your time*. [AK: emphasis mine] Our Prophet (saw) left what didn’t concern him. And the benefit of leaving what doesn’t concern you, is baraka in your time. There is no baraka in your time. Why? Because you are engaged in what doesn’t concern you. Our Prophet (saw) [AK: is reported to have] said, “Min husni Islam al mar’i tarkuhumala ya’ni” [AK: aw qama qal] [AK: meaning:] “From the excellent Islam of a man is to leave that which doesn’t concern him.” [AK: on the authority of Imam Malik (ra)] One time a man asked Imam ash-Shafi’i, ‘How old are you?’ He replied, ‘Ya’neek?’ [AK: translation:] ‘Does that concern you?’ The man said, ‘Subhan’Allah, what did I say?!’ Imam ash-Shafi’i, said ‘Lakad sa’altu ustaadi Malikan, ‘Kam umra?’’ [AK: translation:] ‘I asked my teacher Malik, ‘How old are you?’ And he said, ‘Ya’neek [AK: translation:] ‘What does it concern you?’ He was teaching Imam ash-Shafi’i, ‘don’t ask about things of no concern to you. What importance is it if you know how old I am or how young I am? It doesn’t matter. Ask things of importance *to you*’ Part of learning how to benefit from time, from speech [AK: is knowing the virtue of leaving that which doesn’t concern one, or is of no benefit to one knowing].” Subhan’Allah. :) Abu Khaled

Very well said!
Magableh
03/23/01 at 19:40:16
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu. Dear Brother Abu Khaled, Masha'Allah, great post, once again! And very well said! May we all, Insha'Allah, benefit from your wisdom :) I truly respect you for keeping your personal life, just that...*personal*. I only wish you had posted this a couple of weeks ago ;) Wa'assalam, Serena

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jannah
03/24/01 at 01:43:28
[quote] None of the questions, you will have noticed, were asking anyone to reveal personal details about themselves in the same vein as an introduction, or were of no benefit in knowing. Nor did I expect replies, for I did not have that right. [/quote] If the above is true, you would have no problem with answering your own questionaire true? T H E   A L L I A N C E

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bhaloo
03/24/01 at 01:05:07
slm Wow, what a response Jannah. :)

Let's reconsider
Mona
03/24/01 at 10:25:37
Assalamu alaikum, Jannah, I suggest we drop this, it may be perceived as pestering br. Abu-Khaled. He'll come around on his own time, insha'Allah. Wassalam

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Arsalan
03/24/01 at 19:20:53
[slm] [i]Wa amma as-saa'ila falaa tanhar [/i] And as for the questioner, do not brush him aside.  (Al-Duhaa 10). [i]Yaa ayyuha an-naasu innaa khalaqnaakum min dhakarin wa unthaa wa ja3alnaakum shu'ooban wa qabaa'ila lita3aarafu ... [/i] Oh mankind!  We created you all from a single male and a single female, and made you all into nations and tribes, so that you may know one another ... (Al-Hujuraat 13). Akhi Abu Khaled.  All we, the questioners, ask from you is: 1. Answer your own questionnaire. 2. Tell us a little more about you so we may know you better. Is this too much to give to your brothers and sisters, who have long admired your posts, and thus would like to know a bit more about you?  I leave the answer for your own judgment, in which I have trust, alhamdulillah. T  H  E   A  L  L  I  A  N  C  E

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Kathy
03/24/01 at 22:05:11
[slm] Abu Khalid- even this old lady would like to know more about you.

Re: Let's reconsider
jannah
03/25/01 at 03:00:48
[quote]Assalamu alaikum, Jannah, I suggest we drop this, it may be perceived as pestering br. Abu-Khaled. He'll come around on his own time, insha'Allah. Wassalam [/quote] wlm, I don't think we're pestering him are we?? We just said we won't answer the questionaire until he does... If he never answers it, we won't either right?  Khalas... we can all go about our Madina business as usual.. Keep Moving.. Nothing to C here
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