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| bhaloo |
| 03/20/01 at 11:32:38 |
| Asalaam alaikum, Well guys, yesterday it was 84 degrees here and there was not enough electricity for people here, so what the power company did was turn off electricity to different cities for an hour. :( I think us Californians can expect more of this in the coming months. :( |
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| meraj |
| 03/20/01 at 11:42:50 |
| slm, hmmm... reminds me of india... except that how it is all the time ;-D ma'salaam |
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| Mona |
| 03/20/01 at 12:07:03 |
| Assalamu alaikum, Hamza Yusuf was in Toronto just this past weekend. He joked about these blackouts being a blessing in disguise in potentially giving the kids an incentive to get out of the house -away form TV and internet- and a chance to marvel at the beauty of nature or at least make them aware of its existence!! The topic of the talk was on current schooling systems and how they are doing more harm than good. So, what do you do during the blackout, sit in the candle light and read, the old fashioned way, i.e. from books? Wassalam |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 03/20/01 at 12:11:25 |
| salaams, ha ha bro bear..now it's your turn! :P i'm not sure if any occurred up here? although yesterday there was this interesection that had it's lights out? hmmm..maybe that means today class will be canceled?? :) now you're forced to have a lovely break...so enjoy it! :) wa salaams :) p.s. yesterday was rather warm.... |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/20/01 at 14:12:28 |
| slm [quote]So, what do you do during the blackout, sit in the candle light and read, the old fashioned way, i.e. from books? [/quote] Alhumdullilah didn't need any candle lights. The blackout happened at 12:30pm and there was plenty of sunlight (84 degee weather). :) |
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| Al-Basha |
| 03/20/01 at 16:47:04 |
| [slm] I was out of the house, most of the day yesterday so I didn't notice anything :) |
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| se7en |
| 03/20/01 at 16:49:03 |
Mona you attended that conf? How was it? Tell us about it, please. |
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| Mona |
| 03/20/01 at 16:58:59 |
| I'll write a summary in the 'reviews section' when I get a chance insha'Allah. |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 03/20/01 at 18:32:45 |
| from what i know and heard, black outs will only occur during noon time etc..and early afternoon...? so...not that annoying. :) it'll be awesome if black outs occurred during finals! :) iA ameeeen!!! ;) |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 03/20/01 at 21:07:34 |
| 6pm??? gosh it hasn't happened here i dn't think? that'd be wonderful if it did! then organic chem would be canceled!!! yippieeee! ;) :P http://topnews.netscape.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1&cat=0100&id=0103201251532925&brand=N Calif. Officials Order Blackouts The Associated Press Mar 20 2001 12:51PM LOS ANGELES (AP) - State power managers ordered rolling blackouts across California for a second straight day Tuesday as demand for electricity again exceeded supply. The same factors that collided to strap California's power supply on Monday hit again, officials with the Independent System Operator said. Those include reduced electricity imports from the Pacific Northwest, numerous power plants offline for repairs and higher-than-expected demand because of warm temperatures. A two-unit Southern California plant that the ISO hoped would be working Tuesday had not been fixed. One of its units might go online at noon to help the situation, the ISO's Jim Detmers said. In addition, hydroelectric power imports from the Northwest were 800 megawatts lower than Monday, he said. The ISO oversees most of the state's power grid. The ISO asked PG&E, which serves much of central and northern California including San Francisco, to cut 196 megawatts, which translates to about 102,000 business and residential customers, utility spokesman Ron Low said. Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric were also ordered to cut power. Utility representatives said they didn't have immediate information on how many customers would be affected. The ISO hoped demand would start to subside and conservation would kick in, but that did not happen, officials said. ``We've been giving the conservation message since last May and I'm at a loss about why it's not working as well anymore,'' spokesman Patrick Dorinson said. The blackouts on Monday struck without warning, coming in two waves that left more than 1.2 million customers without power from San Diego to Sacramento. It was a particular shock for Southern California, since the two previous blackouts, Jan. 17 and 18, affected only the northern and central parts of the state. Intersections in Sacramento were jammed Monday as signal lights went dark. Trapped office workers had to climb through the roof of an elevator in Ventura, and businesses from San Francisco to Silicon Valley put up ``Closed'' signs. ``It was quite sudden, with no warning or nothing,'' said Nina Prommer of Globe Photos Inc., a Beverly Hills-based photo agency. Monday's shortages were blamed on a transformer fire and a lack of power from idled plants and out-of-state suppliers. At the same time, demand went up as unseasonably high temperatures - 87 degrees in downtown Los Angeles - prompted people to turn on their air conditioners. Power grid operators responded by ordering an initial round of blackouts that lasted from noon to 4 p.m., unplugging customers for about an hour at a time. A second wave started around 6 p.m. and lasted through 7:15 p.m. The ISO hoped cooler temperatures Tuesday - forecast in the mid 70s to low 80s in Los Angeles - and additional supplies of power would lessen the immediate threat of more blackouts. But California's power woes are far from over. Natural gas supplies are tight, water supplies are down and even higher temps could drive up demand. Adding to the aggravation, the state has lost about 3,100 megawatts of power from plants that use excess heat and steam from industrial sites to create power. A thousand megawatts is about enough to power 1 million homes. The plants say they can't afford to buy natural gas to operate until they're paid about $1 billion for past sales to the state's two largest utilities - Pacific Gas and Electric and Southern California Edison. ``If you don't pay people, it's hard to expect them to remain in business indefinitely,'' said Jan Smutny-Jones, executive director of the Independent Energy Producers. PG&E spokesman Ron Low said the utility has been making partial payments to alternative power plants but SoCal Edison has made no payments since November. SoCal Edison and PG&E say they have lost $13 billion since last year because wholesale electricity prices have soared and the state's 1996 deregulation law prevents the utilities from passing the costs on to ratepayers. With the power crunch showing no signs of abating, Gov. Gray Davis told lawmakers Monday he will need another $500 million within 10 days for short-term power buys, bringing the state's total power spending to $4.2 billion. The state stepped in to buy power for SoCal Edison and PG&E in January, when the effects of deregulation caused the two utilities' credit to be severely downgraded. It is spending close to $50 million a day. |
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| Yasminejaan |
| 03/22/01 at 01:15:49 |
| Salaam, I am hating the black outs as well..Here in El Cajon 91 degrees :(...teaches me not to wear black hijab on such a day lol... |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/22/01 at 07:32:53 |
| slm yesterday it was much cooler out here so people didn't have to use their air conditioners and I guess energy demands were much lower. |
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| Nazir_Ismail |
| 03/22/01 at 08:08:28 |
| Hey I'm glad the US are having power cuts! Maybe they'll worry more about getting the power working, and worry less about bombing muslims and placing sanctions on them! |
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| BrKhalid |
| 03/22/01 at 08:16:28 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Br bhaloo who's taking the flack for the power cuts? The power companies or have they done a good job in convincing everyone that it’s a demand problem? |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/22/01 at 10:30:54 |
| slm About 10 years ago there was deregulation of these power companies, as supposedly this would create competition and drive prices down. Well for those 10 years no new power supply plants were built. Obviously as the population has grown, so has the demand, and now what has happened is to expected. Over the last 10 years those power companies made a tremendous amount of money, billions of dollars. In the last 6 months, they have faced bankruptcy, and now these extra costs will be passed on to the consumers. |
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| UmmIby |
| 03/24/01 at 22:14:03 |
| Assalamu alaikum wr wb Mona> you were at the conference in Toronto? which one, the 4 day program for Zarnuji? or just the program in the evening on sat? I was there, though there were a crowd of people there too... take care walaikum assalam |
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| Mona |
| 03/26/01 at 09:59:27 |
| Assalamu Alaikum UmmIby, I was there for the saturday symposium only. I've promised se7en to write a review. Se7en, I haven't forgotten. Insha'Allah soon I will. Maybe UmmIby can share thoughts with us on that conference as well. wassalam |
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