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| Kathy |
| 03/25/01 at 11:44:59 |
| As salaamu alaykum. I just read a hadith about men's clothing. They should not wear pants below their ankles. I have rarely seen any Muslim man doing this. Why? |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/25/01 at 11:55:54 |
| slm Dr. Siddiqi (ISNA president) said: It is forbidden for Muslim men to wear their pants or trousers below their ankles as a sign of arrogance. The Arabs during the time of the Prophet-peace be upon him- used to wear very long robes and shirts and used to drag them along showing their wealth and pomp. The Prophet -peace be upon him- disliked this behavior and told the men among his followers to keep their clothes above their ankles. But when Abu Bakr -may Allah be pleased with him- said to the Prophet that his pants sometime go below the ankles, the Prophet told him that you are not from amongst those who do it out of arrogance. We learn from this Hadith that what is forbidden is arrogance and not just the length of the trousers. |
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| muhannad |
| 03/25/01 at 14:12:26 |
| very interesting observation sister Kathy. As Arshad pointed out arrogance and pride can often be one of the obstacles which prevent people from submitting to Allah May Allah guide us to the straight path and keep us firm on it until we meet him, amin |
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| Kashif |
| 03/25/01 at 16:29:51 |
| assalaamu alaikum In London, this is a very common sight, alhumdulillah. Brothers keep their trousers above their ankles at uni/work, etc. I was browsing theu Sh. Munajjid's site, and he comments for Q #10534: "Isbaal means letting the clothes hang down below the ankles, which is haraam, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever of the izaar (lower garment) hangs down below the ankles is in the Fire.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5787) If someone were to say, “I do not let my garment (or pants) hang down below the ankle out of pride, but because of habit or custom,” Our response is: That isbaal (letting the clothes hang down below the ankle) in and of itself is subject to the punishment of Fire. If pride and showing off are added to that isbaal, then the punishment is worse and more severe...." But a fuller fatwa is the one i've pasted below. Question #762: A brother was telling me that wearing clothing below the ankles is haram and that there are many hadiths that prove this. I would appreciate your opinion on this matter. Jazakallah Answer: Praise be to Allaah. What your friend has told you is true. Many ahaadeeth were reported from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which forbid isbaal (wearing one’s clothes below the ankles), for example: Al-Bukhaari reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whatever of the izaar (lower garment) is below the ankles is in the Fire." (al-Bukhaari, no. 5787) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "There are three whom Allaah will not look at or praise on the Day of Judgement and theirs will be a painful punishment: the one who wears his garment below his ankles, the one who reminds others of his favours, and the one who sells his product by means of making false oaths" (reported by Muslim, no. 106) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Isbaal (wearing one’s garment below the ankles) may apply to the izaar (lower garment), the shirt or the turban. Whoever allows any part of these to trail on the ground out of arrogance, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Judgement." (reported by Abu Dawud, no. 4085, and al-Nisaa’i, no. 5334, with a saheeh isnaad). Ibn ‘Abbaas reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah will not look at the one who wears his lower garment below his ankles." (Reported by al-Nisaa’i in al-Mujtabaa, Kitaab al-Zeenah, Baab Isbaal al-Izaar). Hudhayfah said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took hold of the muscle of my calf (or his calf) and said, ‘This is where the izaar should stop; if you insist, it may be lower, but it should not reach the ankles.’" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth; see Sunan al-Tirmidhi, no. 1783) All of the ahaadeeth quoted above speak against isbaal, whether or not the intention is to show off; but if a person does this deliberately out of arrogance, there is no doubt that his sin is greater. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah will not look at the one who trails his izaar on the ground out of pride." (al-Bukhaari, no. 5788) Jaabir ibn Sulaym said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to me: ‘Beware of wearing one’s lower garment below the ankles, because this is a kind of showing-off, and Allaah does not love showing-off.’" (Regarded as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2722). No one is able to be completely free of pride and arrogance, even if he claims that this is so. Such a claim is unacceptable, because by saying it, he is praising himself. Only in the case of those whom the wahy (revelation) testified that they were free of pride do we believe that this is the case. For example, there is a hadeeth which states that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever trails his garment on the ground out of pride, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Resurrection." Abu Bakr said to him, "O Messenger of Allaah, my izaar slips down if I do not pay attention to it." He said: "You are not one of those who do it out of pride." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, no. 5784) What indicates that isbaal is prohibited even if it is not done out of pride is the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The lower garment of the Muslim should come down to mid-calf, but there is nothing wrong if it is between that point and the ankles. Whatever is lower than the ankles is in the Fire. Whoever trails his garment on the ground out of pride, Allaah will not look at him." (Reported by Abu Dawud, no. 4093, with a saheeh isnaad.) These ahaadeeth describe two different deeds, for which there will be two different punishments: Imaam Ahmad reported that Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Ya’qoob said: "I asked Abu Sa’eed: ‘Did you hear anything from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning the izaar (lower garment)?’ he said, ‘Yes, listen! ‘The izaar of the believer should come to mid-calf, although there is nothing wrong if it comes between there and the ankles, but whatever is lower than the ankles is in the Fire,’ and he said it three times." Ibn ‘Umar said: "I passed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and my izaar had slipped down. He said, ‘O ‘Abdullaah, pull up your izaar!’ so I pulled it up. He said, ‘More!’ so I pulled it up more, and always made sure it was pulled up properly after that." Some people asked, "To where did you pull it up?" He said, "To mid-calf length." (Reported by Muslim, no. 2086; al-Dhahabi, Kitaab al-Kabaa’ir, 131-132) The issue of isbaal applies to women just as much as it applies to men. This is indicated by the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Whoever trails his garment on the ground out of pride, Allaah will not look at him.’ Umm Salamah said: ‘O Messenger of Allaah, what should women do with their hems?’ He said, ‘Let them go down a handspan.’ She asked, ‘What if their feet show?’ He said, ‘Let them lengthen it by a cubit, but no more.’" (al-Nisaa'i, Kitaab al-zeenah, Baab dhuyool al-nisaa’). The punishment for showing off may come to pass in this world, not in the Hereafter. Abu Hurayrah reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whilst a man was walking arrogantly admiring himself and his clothes, Allaah caused the earth to swallow him and he is suffering in it until the Day of Resurrection." (Reported by Muslim, no. 2088). Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com) |
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| muhannad |
| 03/25/01 at 17:43:17 |
| yes Kashif, but I have yet to see Phil Cheadle raise his izaar ?! |
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| Kathy |
| 03/25/01 at 19:20:28 |
| slm Interesting- so all of you wear your pants above your ankles to work and school? Often it takes courage to wear hijab for the women, and the men think it is wonderful. Do the men have the same courage? |
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| Arsalan |
| 03/26/01 at 00:25:05 |
| [slm] Hmm ... it seems to me that Dr. Siddiqui has a stronger point. I don't know. The hadith of Abu Bakr seems to make it pretty clear: If you're doing it out of pride, it's wrong. If not, then it's ok. I see what Sh. Munajjid is saying, but I don't see it being reflected in the ahaadith. I do not see any proof from a hadith making it *clear* that the sin is on you, regardless of whether you do it out of pride or not. In fact, the proof is to the contrary according to the hadith of Abu Bakr. Kashif, can you explain (perhaps in your own words)? What is it that I'm not getting? |
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| Kashif |
| 03/26/01 at 03:09:42 |
| [quote]slm Interesting- so all of you wear your pants above your ankles to work and school?[/quote] wa alaikum us-salaam Well, not all of us wear the trousers above the ankles, but its a common site for sure. I can't imagine that there is any university that has Muslim students in this country where you won't find brothers observing this sunnah. And its actually quite common across the whole spectrum of Islamic groups, whether tablighi, salafi, ikhwaani, etc. [quote]Often it takes courage to wear hijab for the women, and the men think it is wonderful. Do the men have the same courage?[/quote] There are some men who have the courage and others who don't. It definitely makes you stand out though. Kashif Wa Salaam PS Some don't do it because they hold the opinion of some scholars that its not fard. PSS Arsalan Sh. Munajjid's article seems quite clear to me. The proofs that he presents support his stand, and his explanation regarding the case of Abu Bakr is likewise, especially when one considers the hadith of Hudhayfah cited too. (Recall 'This is where the izaar should stop; if you insist, it may be lower, but it should not reach the ankles.) I had a good article by Muhammad Jibaali on this from a few years back, if i can find it i'll post it up insha'llah. And there is also a small booklet on the market discussing this. Its called "The issue of Isbaal" or something similar. |
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| Asim |
| 03/26/01 at 05:28:35 |
| Assalaamu alaikum, Actually it doesn't look odd. Most of my trousers end just above the ankles. With a little bit of experimentation one can find the length of trousers to buy that 'hangs' just above the ankles. I never liked longer trousers that fall on the shoe/foot as they get wet! Wasalaam. |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/26/01 at 08:57:14 |
| slm Interesting. Here is some more, this come from the Al Haramain foundation. Question:Assalamu alaikum, I've a few questions regarding this article (ref. Issue 38, Fataawaa: The Islaamic Ruling Regarding Long Hems in Men's Clothing By: Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih Al-'Uthaymeen (hafithahullah).) When the Prophet (saw) told Abu-Bakr that he's lengthening his clothes below ankle not because of pride than it means it's allowed irrespective of Abu-Bakr's cautions in his clothes. If the Prophet (saw) allowed him because his pure intention wasn't pride then it should be so for others as well. In tradition when the Prophet said this Abu-Bakr said: but my clothes are longer than that O Prophet (SAW). And Prophet (saw) answered him by saying you're not one of them! Meaning you're not the one who does this out of pride. But it can be the sign of one's humbleness too...how can such people be punished by Allah (SWT) who had no intention of proud etc.??? waiting for reply... jasakall-khair. Answer: As-Salaamu 'Alaikum, Thank you for your inquiry. Basically one should take note of the fact that although Abu Bakr (radiallahu 'anhu) was told he was not one who did so out of pride did not mean that it is okay to do so. His dragging of the thobe was unintentional and therefore overlooked. He was not however, seeking a way out of raising his thobe but was in fact afraid of being punished even though his lowered thobe was not his fault. That is a greatly different attitude and approach from one knowing the order of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and not attempting to adhere to his order. Scholars point out that for someone to know the order of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and yet deliberately do otherwise is a type of pride and arrogance although they claim humility because the essence of submission as a Muslim is to comply with the order of Allah and His Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and struggle against one's desires or those of others. May Allah give us all strength to adhere to His orders and forgive us for our shortcomings and allow us to be tolerant of one another's weaknesses, ameen. |
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