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why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
jehad
03/27/01 at 06:38:49
they put boggys on the food when the manager is not there. i know lodes of people who have worked there.
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
Kiwaku
03/27/01 at 09:12:38
Ha Ha.... (sarcasticly)

I happen to manage a McDonalds

Sincerely
Usamah/Kiwaku
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
humble_muslim
03/27/01 at 18:42:57
I live in the suburbs of Boston, where there are NO halal resturants.  So sometimes KFC comes in handy.

McDonalds : just their chicken.

Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
eleanor
03/29/01 at 07:59:08
I used to work in McDonalds. We never went so far as to put bogeys on food or to spit on food, but I have seen them drop food accidentally on the floor, look around to see is anyone watching and if not pick it up and use it.
We also had a supervisor who used to do this and yell "Vitamins Vitamins" every time she did it!!
I also saw a guy use a dishcloth to clean the wafer of an ice cream he had made too sloppy.
But...I still eat at McDonalds and Burger King. Not often but I do.
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
humble_muslim
03/29/01 at 10:13:41
AA

Eleanor, where did you get your quote from ?

I don't really want to get into the halal vs haram debate, but those of use who live in the US  should be aware that so-called 100% ground beef can legally contain ground pork without having to disclose it.  There was a 20-20 program on this a few years back.

I think the kind of thing Eleanor is talking about can happen with practically any restaurant/cafe.  As a matter of fact, when I go to Pakistan, I have to be REALLY careful about eating food from the street bazaars.  Golden rule : if it's been cooked, it's probably safe.
NS
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
eleanor
03/29/01 at 15:22:56
slm

I found this quote in a book I was reading on prayer and it came from Amír al-Mu'minín 'Alí (pbuh).
I'll be honest..I don't know who this man was, but I liked the quote. Not because it's 100% true for me..I do have fear of hell partly because of which I became Muslim, but the quote reminds me why I *should* be Muslim and not to worship for my own selfishness but because Allah deserves unconditional worship.
I only eat chicken or fish from fast-food restaurants, but you're right..one never knows. And if I'm not mistaken the chicken doesn't count as being halal?
And yes..frying at 180 degrees celcius tends to kill any germs or bacteria..
wassalam
your sister in Islam.
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
humble_muslim
03/29/01 at 15:56:29
AA

Okay, it was Dateline, not "20 20", but here's the scoop.  Basically, very few states inspect ground beef properly, and it can end up containing pork.  Sorry if this upsets burger lovers, but we need to know the truth.



June 8 —  It’s safe to say Americans consume
                                             hundreds of thousands of pounds of ground beef
                                             every year making mountains of meat balls, tons
                                             of tacos and, of course, billions of burgers. But
                                             what goes into a hamburger? Ham? Of course,
                                             not. It’s supposed to be 100 percent pure ground
                                             beef. But a “Dateline” consumer investigation may
                                             alarm you.

              IT IS ILLEGAL IN every state to sell mixed meats as pure ground beef. It’s called adulteration. It doesn’t make a difference
              what amount it is, the federal government and every state still considers it a health hazard.

                     That’s because the cooking temperature to kill parasites and bacteria in some meats or poultry is higher than they are for
              fresh ground beef. So, if you think you’re only cooking ground beef, you may not kill the dangerous pathogens that could be
              found in pork or chicken. For that same reason, laws also require grinding machines be completely disassembled and
              sanitised after grinding meat from different animals or poultry.

              The cooking temperature to kill parasites and bacteria in some meats or poultry is higher than they are for fresh
              ground beef.

                   Although death caused by mixing meats appears to be extremely rare, it’s hard to know because doctors often don’t think
              to look for trichinosis so it just may be rarely reported. Twelve years ago, government regulations were in place to stop
              supermarkets from selling mixed meats as pure ground beef. They still are.

                     Dateline wondered do those laws really protect you? So we sent out our hidden cameras. We went not just to small
              supermarkets. We also went to large chains and discount stores all over the country that sell food.

                     Inspectors from the U. S. Department of Agriculture are only stationed in packing plants. However, that’s not where most
              of the ground beef we eat is actually ground. Most of it is made in the backroom of the meat department in the local
              supermarket—which federal inspectors never visit. Most states rarely send inspectors in either—unless there is a complaint.
                     We expected stores to be honest and conscientious about how they prepare their ground beef. But Dateline decided to
              put the nation’s major supermarkets to the test to find out.

                     We picked stores at random. Then, we had a well-known, nationally recognised lab test 100 samples of ground
              beef—each package bought at a different supermarket around the country. The tests would detect if you were also getting
              pork, poultry or lamb mixed in with the ground beef.

                     Dateline staffers shopped in ten cities—ten stores in each city—for a total of one hundred different supermarkets.
              Research shopping for the test was conducted from August 1997 through November 1997.
                     We chose a mix of urban and suburban, fancy specialty and discount stores. We shopped at different times of the day,
              and different days of the week in well known chains and smaller neighbourhood markets. We didn’t buy extra lean, or extra
              fancy. Just basic ground beef, but the packages always assured us, it was 100 percent pure ground beef. Then we removed
              any store labels and marked the samples one through ten for each city.

                     That way the lab couldn’t know which stores the meat came from. But we would. We also double bagged each sample
              to make sure there was no chance of cross contamination. Packed in ice, the samples were shipped in coolers overnight to
              Elisa Technologies, a federally certified lab we hired in Florida.

                     In fact, that lab helped develop the test that determines if there are other kinds of meat or poultry mixed in with the ground
              beef.

               If the sample tests positive for pork, poultry or lamb, a chemical reaction will cause it to turn green.

                                         Each sample was tested for three things: pork, poultry and lamb. If there is
                                  approximately one percent or more of a non-beef product in the meat, a chemical reaction
                                  will cause it to turn green.

                                         The results? The good news first. Some stores were very happy to hear they passed
                                  the test. Pete Telesco, the head of meat sales for the Pathmark supermarket chain, was
                                  one of the managers we called who was happy to hear our news. The ground beef
                                  sample we bought from one of his stores passed with flying colours.

                                         Telesco says it is no accident that we found no adulterated meat in his store—even
              though his butchers may grind about 500 pounds on a busy day. “After we grind all our beef, there is no discussion, that
              grinder absolutely gets taken apart,” says Telesco. “It gets cleaned, washed and sanitised.”

                     He says every butcher at Pathmark knows if he adulterates meat, he will be fired. “We believe if we sell adulterated meat
              financially it’s going to put us out of business,” he says.

                     But as our test results showed, not every store was so careful. In fact, in every one of the ten cities sampled we found
              supermarkets that failed Dateline’s ground beef test.

                     Joe Ferrara, New York State’s chief inspector for the Department of Agriculture, says he is not surprised.

                     “It’s a matter of turning waste into profit,” he says. “It’s a little bit of alchemy. Presto, chango—pork becomes ground
              beef. And it’s worth something, whereas pork trimmings are worth very little.”

                     New York is one of only two states we found that randomly tests ground beef for adulteration. It uses the same Elisa test
              that we did. Every state and the federal government considers it a health hazard to sell mixed meats as hamburger.

                     “From our perspective, it doesn’t matter how it got there,” says Ferrara. “The issue is, according to our regulations, is it
              adulterated or not. If it is, it’s illegal.”

                     He says, “It’s not always cooked thoroughly. People still eat rare hamburgers. Unfortunately if you add to ground beef,
              pork or poultry you add additional pathogens which could enhance your possibilities of your becoming ill.”

                     We didn’t choose the stores through a scientific sample, it was completely random. But we were surprised when we
              found a supermarket chain with more than one store selling ground beef that wasn’t pure.

                     The worst case was in Dallas. Two Tom Thumb stores and a Simon David store—owned by the same parent
              company—failed our ground beef test. In Miami, two Hyde Park stores, including one on trendy South Beach, the results
              showed that the ground beef turned out to be mixed meat. Hyde Park says it has an excellent record of inspections.

                     The same happened with an A&P in Atlanta and a Superfresh store A&P owns in Philadelphia. We found pork and lamb
              ground into the hamburger meat. Yet an A&P in New York passed the test.

                     Carol Tucker Foreman, a former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Agriculture who is now an activist with the Safe Food
              Coalition says she is not surprised by the results. We didn’t tell her specifically which chains had more than one store that
              failed our test. While not knowing which specific chains had multiple stores that failed the test, Foreman says in general, the
              results don’t surprise her.

                     “No one is watching closely enough what goes on in the back room of the supermarket,” she says.

                     But what about supermarkets that promote themselves as health and natural food stores? Customers expect and pay
              extra for the highest quality there. In fact, more than half of these specialty health food stores failed our ground beef test. A
              Fresh Fields in Philadelphia had both pork and lamb in the ground beef. A Whole Foods store in Los Angeles had poultry in
              the hamburger meat. Both stores are owned by the same company. And in a Wild Oats in Santa Monica, pork turned up
              again.

                     In a letter, Wild Oats said it is possible that pork might have fallen into the ground beef from a tray sitting next to it.
              However, if that happened, it would defy the law of physics. As our hidden camera showed, there were only beef products on
              both sides of the tray that day.

                     The most common excuse store managers gave us? A failure to break down the grinder even though the law in every
              state requires grinders to be cleaned before another meat or poultry can be put through. Every natural foods store we
              surveyed is now doing something as a result of our testing. Every one of them says they will now install separate grinders for
              non-beef products.

                     “There is no question that it occurs as a result of not cleaning the grinder,” says Ferrara, “but more often in our view, it
              occurs as a result of deliberate adulteration.”

                     Take the case of a C-Town supermarket in New York City. We found pork in the ground beef but the manager told us on
              hidden camera that the store never grinds pork there.

                     The ground beef we purchased at a C-Town supermarket and at a Tom Thumb store in Dallas should have been
              labelled “mystery meat.” It had everything we tested for: pork, but poultry and lamb mixed in.

                     “It sounds to me like there’s someone who’s gathering up trimmings from every meat product,” says Ferrara, “which they
              handle in that particular butcher shop, and dumping them into the ground beef as a means of converting them into profit.”

                                                 Every store we talked to says it has a policy against adulterating ground
                                          beef ,so we can’t tell you for sure how the other meats wound up in their
                                          ground beef. Some stores admitted they might have had dirty grinders, but
                                          authorities we talked to contend most of the time the adulteration is
                                          deliberate.

                                                 A dirty grinder would add just as small amount of other meats, but what
                                          if we found a lot more? Would that mean it could be deliberate?

                                                 We went back to the lab. The first test showed whether there was about
                                          1 percent or more of other meats. This second test would give us an
                                          estimate of the total volume of other meats in the ground beef.

                                                 At the Tom Thumb store in Dallas that had all three meats, an estimated
              12 percent of what was supposed to be pure ground beef was actually pork, poultry and lamb.

                     And remember C-Town in New York where the ground beef also included pork, poultry and lamb? Those other meats
              were an estimated 25 percent of the package.

                     In a letter, C-Town says it questions our testing methodology and the sampling process and sent us a copy of its own
              test results done months later that show no adulteration.

                     Tom Thumb suggests in its correspondence that residue in the grinder “may account for the trace amounts of other
              meats” found in its beef samples. But neither store could explain why such a large percentage of their packages were mixed
              meats.

                     We also did a volume test on meat bought at a Super Kmart store in Chicago, one of a growing number of Kmart stores
              that sell food. The sign said this ground beef was a “super-buy” at a $1.19 a pound.

                     That super buy was a super bust. The package of ground beef we bought from Kmart was not pure. Our lab found it
              contained an estimated 29 percent pork. So nearly one third of this ground beef didn’t come from a cow, it came from a pig.

                     In a letter, Kmart says it has “serious doubts about the authenticity of Dateline’s highly unusual finding.”

                     Kmart says it also hired an independent lab to test ground beef from its Chicago area stores for the presence of pork and
              said, “No pork was detected.”

                     However, their tests were done months after Dateline notified the company of what we found and after employees were
              told Dateline had found a problem. Our lab stands by its test results.

                     So which cities did the best and which were the worst in our Dateline ground beef test? This wasn’t a scientific survey.
              We only tested ten stores in each city but, here are the results.

                     Twenty-nine of the 100 samples we bought were adulterated. That means 29 percent of the ground beef Dateline tested
              had at least one, sometimes two, and in a few cases three different kinds of other meats—even poultry—in it.

                     The best cities were San Francisco, Washington, D.C. and Atlanta. They only had one store where we found mixed
              meat. Los Angeles had two out of ten. Chicago and Boston had three stores out of ten. New York City, Philadelphia and
              Dallas, each had four out of ten stores that failed our ground beef test. Six out of ten packages of ground beef we bought in
              Miami were adulterated.

                     None of the stores that sold us adulterated meat would talk to us on camera, but here’s an interesting and heartening
              note. Usually we don’t get results on a Dateline story until after it is broadcast. But with Dateline’s ground beef test, this time it
              was different. As soon as we started sharing our results with the stores that failed our ground beef test, things started to
              change.

                     Every supermarket we heard from says its re-emphasised to its employees the proper way to make ground beef and
              prevent adulteration.

                     Kmart, Tom Thumb, Fresh Fields, Whole Foods and Wild Oats tell us they’ve begun their own testing program to make
              sure their ground beef is truly pure.

                     One store, Albertson’s in Miami, tells us it will now take the radical and expensive step to clean up its meat.

                     Albertson’s says it will no longer use beef trimmings to make ground beef. That’s what most supermarkets do. They say
              it will now throw all trimmings away and only use pre-packaged ground beef made in USDA inspected packing plants.
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
Moe
03/29/01 at 19:05:55
ewwwwwwwwwww.... i hardly ever eat fast food any more specialy from mc donalds!

McDonald's Lawsuit Claims Rat Head in Burger
Updated: Tue, Mar 27 02:53 PM EST

By Cameron French
TORONTO (Reuters) - McDonald's Canada is being sued by a Toronto family that claims a severed rat's head was found nestled between the toppings of a Big Mac that was about to be eaten by a nine-year-old girl.
The $11.2 million lawsuit against McDonald's Restaurants of Canada Ltd., a wholly owned unit of McDonald's Corp., came about after an incident the family alleges took place in June 1999 at a Toronto outlet of the hamburger chain.

After biting into the Big Mac, Ayan Abdi Jama noticed the remains of the rodent, "complete with eyes, teeth, nose and whiskers," says the statement of claim. It adds, "the rat and the Big Mac sandwich were partially ingested by Ayan."

The lawyer for the family said the ordeal has been a horrible experience for the child.

"Obviously, it's going to impact how they see restaurant food for the rest of their lives," said Ted Charney. "From a parent's point of view, how would you feel if you watched your child take a bite out of a rat's head?"

The experience left Jama suffering from "extensive psychiatric damages," the claim says.

In a statement, McDonald's Canada said: "The quality and safety of our food is paramount to every aspect of our McDonald's operation. McDonald's will defend itself to the fullest extent of the law."

When contacted by Reuters, the branch manager had no comment, but mentioned the restaurant had passed health inspections.

Toronto restaurant sanitation has been under close scrutiny in recent months, as health officials have implemented a restaurant grading system aimed at improving public perceptions of food preparation. The system was introduced after a 16-week inspection blitz last year that resulted in 60 restaurant closings, many for various rodent infractions.

The allegations have not been proved in court, and on Monday a judge dismissed the claim against senior company officers and McDonald's Corp., parent company of McDonald's Canada. Left to be decided are claims against McDonald's Restaurants of Canada and the restaurant's assistant manager, who, the claim says, tried to confiscate the burger upon discovery of the rat's head.

McDonald's Canada estimates it serves more than three million customers each day.
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
humble_muslim
03/30/01 at 10:36:46
AA

From late Shaikh Uthameen (Rahimullah Anhu)

                      A number of letters have been sent requesting clarification of the ruling (fatwa) which was previously
                      published from Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Saleh Al-Uthaimeen on the subject of the permissibility of eating
                      meat slaughtered by Ahl-Al-Kitaab (Jews & Christians) of the present day. We sent some of the most
                      important points brought out by our readers to the sheikh a second time. The sheikh has answered the
                      questions in his own hand. It therefore pleases us to be able to publish the ruling another time along with
                      the questions which will further clarify the issue.

                      Q. Is it permissible to eat poultry which is sold in the markets on the basis that it is meat of the People of
                      the Book...or is it impermissible on the basis that it is a carcass slaughtered by unknown means i.e. was it
                      done by cutting off the head or electrocution or some such means... and are the Ahl-Kitaab today truly to
                      be considered in this ruling [as those of the past]?

                      A. Yes, eating the poultry is permissible because that which is slaughtered by the Ahl Al-Kitaab today is
                      just as what was slaughtered by Ahl Al-Kitaab in the time of the Prophet (saaws). The Ahl Al-Kitaab are of
                      the Kuffaar (disbelievers) whether they are in the time of the Prophet (saaws) or now. Allah says in His
                      Noble Book They have certainly disbelieved who say that Verily Allah is Isa Ibn Maryam and the Messiah
                      said "O Children of Israel worship Allah my Lord and your Lord Verily whosoever commits shirk
                      (associates partners with Allah in any way) Allah has made the Paradise forbidden to him and his
                      end will be the Hellfire and there will be no help to the Dhaalimeen. They have certainly disbelieved
                      who say that Allah is the third of three and there is no deity except the single Deity and if they do
                      not desist from what they are saying We will inflict upon those disbelievers a painful punishment.

                      Allah also says in the same chapter: "Today I have made permissible for you that which is good and
                      wholesome and the food of those who were sent the Scripture is permissible to you and your food is
                      permissible to them."

                      As far as the methodology of the slaughtering we do not inquire about the method because if an action has
                      occurred min ahlihi [at the hands of those suited to perform such an act] the conditions surrounding that
                      act are not asked about.

                      We find in Saheeh Al-Bukhari: "It is related by Aisha (raa) that a group of people said to the Prophet
                      (saaws) 'Some people came to us with some meat about which we didn't know whether the name of Allah
                      was mentioned over or not' and he replied (saaws) Sammoo [Say the name of Allah] over it yourselves
                      and then eat. She [Aisha - raa] said that these people had just recently been from the Kuffaar [i.e. just
                      became Muslim and the question was not asked as to the method of slaughter].

                      This rule therefore applies to the Jews and the Christians about whom we don't know whether or not they
                      have mentioned Allah's name or not because their slaughtered meat is halal [permissible] to us.

                      Q. Please clarify the fatwa - esteemed Sheikh - If a Muslim goes to the markets and eating places in a
                      Christian land and purchases the lamb, beef, of chicken and does not ask about how it was slaughtered?

                      A. Yes, he does not ask about the method of slaughter.

                      Q. What if he is informed however that the meat has been stunned by electric shock, or has been choked
                      or shot? What is the ruling for meat slaughtered like this? Is it considered a carcass? [Which is
                      impermissible to eat]

                      A. It is not permissible if it is known with certainty because it would be considered a carcass.

                      Q. Can we understand from the hadith of Aisha (raa) which is related in the fatwa that the question which
                      was posed by the people to the Messenger of Allah (saaws) was only in relation to whether Allah's name
                      was mentioned over the animal being slaughtered and it was not about the actual method of slaughter?

                      A. Yes, they did ask about the mentioning of the name of Allah and not the actual method of slaughtering
                      and it is evident in the hadith that it is not necessary to ask about either. Q. Is it possible to say that if
                      there are stores in a city where the Muslim lives and those stores carry meat slaughtered according to the
                      Islamic method - even of it is more expensive - that it is not then permissible to buy the meat of the
                      Christians?

                      A. No it is not possible to say that because the slaughtered meat of the Christians and the Jews is halal.
                      However whoever leaves it [doesn't eat it] out of a sense of piety [tawar'an], we see no fault upon him.
                      [Tawar'a or wara' is when a person has such piety that they will avoid even that which is permissible to do
                      what is even better from wanting to please Allah and also eliminating any possibility of doing something
                      wrong].

                      Q. One of the readers asks about a relation from Ali Ibn Abi Talib (raa) in which he reportedly said: "Do not
                      eat the meat slaughtered by Bani Taglab because they adhere to Christianity by drink alcohol." Can this be
                      then used as a proof considering the Christians of today, the majority of who drink alcohol , that it is not
                      permissible to eat their slaughtered meat?

                      A. I do not know the authenticity of this statement [from the Sahabah] and if it is authentic its meaning
                      would be that they [Banu Taglab] were not actually on the religion of the Christians and therefore they
                      would not fall under the ruling of permissibility of their slaughtered meat.

                      Q. If it is known that some of the slaughterhouses in this country slaughter sheep and cattle along with
                      swine is it permissible to eat that meat especially when the same instruments are used to slaughter both
                      at the same time?

                      A. In this case, if we know that the knives are used for both then the meat should be washed and it will be
                      purified through washing.

                      Q. Is it possible - esteemed Sheikh - for you to address us with a word to the Muslim in the Western
                      countries about the obligation of staying far away from disobedience [to Allah and His Prophet (saaws)] and
                      haram things and doubtful matters because we are aware of some of them being lax in relation to some
                      major sins such as not praying or illicit sex or drinking alcohol yet he is distressed or makes complicated
                      the eating of meat which is not slaughtered according to Islamic method?

                      A. My advice to them is to have taqwa and fear Allah's punishment and to remember the Day of Meeting, a
                      day which the excuses of those who wrong themselves will be of no avail. A day when the parent will not
                      afford their offspring anything nor can the offspring do anything for the parent. A day when they will all be
                      raised from their graves barefoot, and naked. We ask Allah for all guidance and success.
NS
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
eleanor
03/30/01 at 14:21:36
slm

do you mean to say that it *is* okay to eat meat (lamb, beef or chicken) which has not been slaughtered by Muslims? As long as you don't know for certain and say Allah's name over it before you eat it? Is this for real? I always thought anything except fish wasn't halal.
now I need an answer on this!! This is going to turn into my question and answer thread aswell!!

wassalam
Eleanor
classic..
princess
03/30/01 at 14:55:32
as'salaamualikum :)

[quote]After biting into the Big Mac, Ayan Abdi Jama noticed the remains of the rodent, "complete with eyes, teeth, nose and whiskers," says the statement of claim.[/quote]

i'm sorry..but come on..LOL :) how retarded..LOL :)

[quote]how would you feel if you watched your child take a bite out of a rat's head?"[/quote]

hahahaahahahahah ;-D hahahah ;-D hahahhahahah ;-D that's beautiful..[ahem] sorry..i know it's not suppose to be funny..poor kid :( gross :o haahhah..;-D anyways..i had to let that out :) later lungur ;-D
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
bhaloo
03/30/01 at 15:16:08
slm

Brother Humble Muslim, I can tell that you are using Netscape because the copy/paste feature is so poor, try using Internet Explorer and it will copy/paste correctly with correcting formatting.

Interesting, I hadn't read Sheikh Uthaimeen's view before, I know Sheikh Qaradawi shares a similiar view.
NS
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
humble_muslim
03/30/01 at 15:52:58
AA

Sister Eleanor,

Shiekh Uthameen is one of the greatest scholars of the last few years.  I personally take his opinion very highly, especially when he gives such convincing daleel.  Until I heard his opinion, I never used to eat non halal meat.

Now the following is MY personal opinion.  I will eat chicken. I will not eat ground beef because of the possibility of pork adulteration.  I don't usually eat beef or lamb because I'm pretty certain that those are always stunned here in the USA before being sluaghtered.  If I eat at a restaurant which is run by mushriks (Chinese, Indian), I will not eat the meat at all since they are not People of the Book.  As for buying raw meat, I almost always get halal meat.

The other point is that we should NOT crticize those brothers/sisters who have a different point of view, since the whole issue is obviously debatable either way.  So if someone has a stricter view, that's fine, and if someone has a less stricter view, that's fine.

By the way Arshad, Netscape rules!

Princess, your joke was in bad "taste" (excuse the pun).  Someone told me that McD claimed that it was a Stuart Little toy the girl ate.
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
princess
03/30/01 at 16:42:25
walikumas'salaam warahmatullah :)

[quote]Princess, your joke was in bad "taste" (excuse the pun).  Someone told me that McD claimed that it was a Stuart Little toy the girl ate.[/quote]

hahahaahah..:) i thought it was funny nonetheless :) if the kid didn't notice the big mac a lil bigger then usual..then there's a problem..:) and why is a 9 yr old eatting a big mac anyways..? isn't that TOO big for her? :) stuart little..hahahhah..i should go rent that ;) later langur ;-D
Re: why would you want to eat kfc, mcdonnal
admin
03/30/01 at 23:25:05
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