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ISLAMIC JEOPARDY
jannah
04/03/01 at 12:50:55
Who was related to the prophet [saw] in all of these ways: she was his cousin, his sister-in-law and also his aunt?

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Arsalan
04/03/01 at 13:55:29
Umm Ayman (?)

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Asim
04/03/01 at 14:02:25
I have no idea, will have to look at some books :) But how can a cousin be also an aunt. I guess she was an aunt before Islam (or were non-Muslims)? Or there is some other loophole? I hate all these complicated relationships :)

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Arsalan
04/03/01 at 14:43:21
[slm] Asim, of course your cousin can be your aunt, if your uncle decides to marry her. Consider the brother of your mother (i.e. your maternal uncle, or mamoo).  Now consider the daughter of your dad's brother [chacha] (i.e. your cousin).  Your cousin and your maternal uncle are completely unrelated.  If your maternal uncle then marries your cousin, she becomes your aunt :) Wassalamu alaikum.

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AbdulBasir
04/03/01 at 23:23:50
[slm] ??????????????????? cue Jeopardy music... 10... OK I'll try to tackle this by going by way of the sister-in-law relationship...So try to rule out all the wives not close to Bani Hashim... so check off Safiyah RA (Jewish tribe), Juwayriya RA (Banu Mustaliq)... 9... No since time is short, I can't think logically so I'll just flail away and cross of Aisha RA and Hafsa RA because I don't think any of their sisters would have been in a position to marry one of the Prophet's uncles.. 8... Ok, hmm...uhh...I'll check off Zainab bint Khuzaimah and Sawdah RA because I have no clue about their sisters... 7... I'll cross off Khadijah RA because her family were distant cousins no? and hence her sister couldn't be a first cousin...(I am assuming by cousin the question meant first cousin...if not, well whew then that is another ballgame) 6... By the same token I'll cross out Umm Habibah RA since her father Abu Sufyan was also a descendant of Qusayy so that would mean he was of distant relation the Prophet and hence his daughter could not be a "first" cousin... 5... uhh...ok...I'll just cross out Umm Salamah RA for no logical reason...just gut feeling... 4... OK hmm...whose left...Zaynab bint Jahsh and Maymunah bint Harith RA... hmm Zaynab RA was a cousin? but I dunno was she a first cousin? if so, hmm maybe one of her sisters married an uncle of the Prophet[saw] 3... ok I am ignorant big time about Zaynab RA's sisters and the wives of the Prophet's[saw] uncles...not good Maymunah bint Harith though...now I definitely know one of her sisters...Umm Fadle...and she was married to Al-Abbas, uncle of the Prophet[saw] so she was both an aunt and a sister-in law... 2... that's the best I can do I think...2/3...sigh...perhaps it is one of the sisters of Zaynab then... Maymunah bint Harith, and her sister Umm Fadle...ya know what would be cool (and ridiculous)...if her father al-Harith just happened to be the same al-Harith who was an uncle of the Prophet[saw]...but that is too good to be true...darn, al-Harith is a really common name though, like in Juwayriyah bint al-Harith...plus that would be weird cuz that would mean al-Abbas married his niece?!! impossible!... :(... 1... sigh...I have no clue... 0... Well, major airball on this question...I'm like one of those losers who never writes anything down at the end of Final Jeopardy because he is so clueless... well it was a humbling experience... Anyone who knows the answer please enlighten a fool :) And Allah knows best... [slm]

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jannah
04/03/01 at 22:43:36
uhhhh keep guessing..:) :).I'll give the answer on Jumah, inshallah!!!! Then the winner can ask another hard one! which will probably be me right ;) btw a hint since someone *cough*abdulsomething*cough* seemed to need one... they are first cousins.

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se7en
04/03/01 at 23:49:43
as salaamu alaykum, ok after looking through some books, surfing the web, thinking hard and making some charts, my guess is Safiyya. Check this out: She was Rasulullah [saw]'s cousin, because she was Amina's sister's daughter. [Amina was Rasulullah [saw]'s mother.] She was Rasulullah [saw]'s sister-in-law, because she was married to Awam ibn Khuwaylid, Khadija's brother. [Khadija was Rasulullah [saw]'s wife.] And she was Rasulullah [saw]'s aunt, because she was one of the six daughters of Abdul Muttalib. [Abdul Muttalib was Rasulullah [saw]'s grandfather.] what do you guys think?

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AbdulBasir
04/04/01 at 00:33:59
So Abdul Mutallib then was married to Aminah's sister? One genealogy question though: Is the wife of your brother in-law really your sister-in-law? I thought she was just the wife of your brother in-law. Because the relationship spans two marriages, not just one. I mean she would be Khadijah's sister in-law, and like the Prophet's [saw] sister in-law in-law:) I think an appeal to the judges is in order about the validity of this question if this is the answer because calling her a sister in-law is really stretching the definition :) barring that technicality, good job se7en, looks like your right... I came up with another sister in-law (a *real* sister in-law mind you :) no sour grapes here :))/aunt but I couldn't break 66.67% barrier...:) [slm]

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Arsalan
04/04/01 at 01:48:13
[slm] Darn!  Se7en beat me to it! Looks like she's right: Abdul Muttalib had many wives.  One of them was Hala bint Wuhayb.  Wuhayb was the grandson of Zuhra.  Anyway, this wife of Abdul Muttalib, Hala, had a daughter - Safiyyah bint Abdul Muttalib.  Voila - she's thus a half-sister of Abdullah, the father of the Prophet, and thus the Prophet's aunt! Now, remember Wuhayb?  The father of Hala?  Well, he had a brother, Wahb.  Wahb was the father of Aminah, the mother of the Prophet.  This would make Aminah bint Wahb and Hala bint Wuhayb first cousins.  Now, since Safiyyah was Hala's daugher, and Muhammad (pbuh) was Aminah's daughter, they'd be cousins!** And finally, Khadijah's brother Awwam was married to Safiyyah.  Thus Awwam is the brother-in-law of the Prophet, and Safiyyah is his wife.  So that makes Safiyya the Prophet's sister-in-law! Coolness!!! ** Jannah, Safiyyah was the daughter of Aminah's cousin, not sister.  Therefore, she cannot be the Prophet's first cousin, but a second-cousin I think. May Allah be pleased with the Companions, and peace and blessings be upon the Best of Messengers. Wassalamu alaikum.

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jannah
04/04/01 at 21:12:37
[slm] [i]I was told that my brother was mutilated in the way of Allah swt. Why then should I go back? - Safiyya  bint Abd al-Muttalib [/i] [color=green] One courageous sahabiya participated in and lived through most of the well-known events as the din was first being established in Arabia. Her whole name is Safiyya bint Abd al-Muttalib, al hashamiyya (from banu hashim), al quraishiyya (from quraish), and she was rasulullah [saw]'s aunt. Safiyya (ra) was the daughter of Abdul Muttalib, who was a chief and great leader of his people, a wise man who commanded authority. He was rasulullah [saw]'s grandfather and protector. She was a sister to Hamza, Abu Jahl, Abbas, Abu Talib and the other uncles of rasulullah [saw] and she grew up in the same household as rasulullah [saw]. Her mother was Halah bint Wahb, the sister of Aminah bint Wahb, the mother of rasulullah [saw]. .... Her first husband, who died, was al-Harith ibn Harb, Abu Sufyan ibn Harb's brother and the son of Harb, the chief of Banu Umayyah. Her second husband was al-'Awwam ibn Khuwailid, the brother of Khadijah bint Khuwailid, the beloved wife of rasulullah [saw]. Safiyya's son, az-Zubair ibn al-'Awwam, was the disciple of rasulllah [sa] and a powerful warrior for Islam. From: "Stories of the Sahabah Volume II: The First Ones adapted by Noura Durkee" [/color] She was therefore the aunt, cousin and sister in law to the prophet [saw]!!!! She was an awesome sahabiyat. She migrated with the Muslims. She went to the battlefields to help the men in jihad, even when her brother Hamza was killed and mutilated she wanted to see him and pray over him. She killed an enemy of islam with a tentpole! who was trying to sneak through the camps of women and children to see if they were protected. abdulbasir: what else would your wife's brothers wife be called????? sister in in law? sister in law^2 arsalan: this book and another says amina and halah were sisters not cousins! se7en: congratulations, you are now Alex !!!!!! go for it!!!

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AbdulBasir
04/04/01 at 21:41:24
[quote]She was a sister to Hamza, Abu Jahl, Abbas, Abu Talib and the other uncles of rasulullah[/quote] Abu Jahl? Shouldn't that be Abu Lahab... I'm in a nit picky mood :) [quote]abdulbasir: what else would your wife's brothers wife be called????? sister in in law? sister in law^2[/quote] I would call her the wife of my brother in-law! (ok yeah I would call her my sister in-law but that is not accurate) webster's definition: in-law: "a relative by marriage" she would be relative through two marital bonds...not one! semantics yes...perhaps everyone else uses other definitions...:) well congratulations to se7en... and congrats to Arsalan too... [slm] :)

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jannah
04/04/01 at 23:08:11
hmm it says abu jahl in the book...but ur right i think it should be abu lahab?

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se7en
04/04/01 at 23:11:42
salaam, Aiite I gotta think of something good... watch out, my q is comin up next..

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Arsalan
04/06/01 at 01:18:49
Wa'alaikum assalam, Bring it on!
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