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Holocaust Oscars
Anwar
04/03/01 at 22:40:44
Holocaust Oscars Published Tuesday April 03, 2001 By Salaam Abdul Khaliq In Hollywood's tawdry world of glitz and glamour, where a pseudo-universe of celluloid has eclipsed reality, the wisdom of the Oscars goes something like this: "We have been pretending all year to be someone we are not, we faked everything, made tons of money doing it. and tonight, we are flaunting our vanity and superegos so we can milk more money from you at the box office in order to support our debauch and extravagant lifestyles". This is more or less what the Oscars are about: Hollywood's rich and famous getting a vanity boost at the expense of the masses who revel in watching them pretend, get ridiculously rich and then take an ego trip to Wonderland called the Academy Awards. But what's the Holocaust got to do with it? For anyone who's been following this annual vanity bazaar, the answer is quite simple. Almost every year, a movie - either a feature film or a documentary - about the Holocaust is honored with an Oscar award. Here is a short list: In 1996, the winner was a documentary called "Anne Frank Remembered". A year later, Spielberg's Schindler's List was Best Picture and Roberto Begnini's "Life is Beautiful", won Best Foreign Film . In 1998 and 1999, two documentaries called , "The Long Way Home", and "The Last Days" respectively, won. In 2000, Rabbi Marvin Cooper of the Simon Wisenthal Center won an Award for yet another Holocaust film. And finally this year, "Into the Arms of Strangers", a story about Jewish children who were sheltered from the Nazis, walked away with an Oscar (those who bet money on the projected winners, must have made fortunes on the Holocaust items.) Two questions come to mind: Why the Holocaust and why the Oscars? In his autobiography "Songs My Mother Taught Me", actor Marlon Brando remarked, "when the world has so many serious problems, it's troubling that such an inconsequential event has taken on such importance. the ceremony has its roots in Hollywood's obsession with self-promotion; people in this business have a passion for paying tribute to one another. It likely stems from the fact that so many of them are Jewish. It is part of their culture to recognize and reward good works and be honored for them. Jews who recognized for good works even get a better seat at the synagogue, meaning they are closer to God". There lies the answer. The overwhelming presence of Jews in Hollywood is both the cause and effect of this phenomenon. The richest and most successful minority group in America cannot have enough of casting itself in the role of the "victim" on the silver screen. Every year, there is a reminder for the Gentiles, "never forget what was done to us by Nazi Germany; Never forget that WE are the true victim; WE suffered more than anyone; OUR pain dwarfs anyone else's, and in case you doubt it, we built the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. and the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles with YOUR tax dollars to remind YOU of it. In case you fail to visit these two illustrious places that eclipse anything relevant to America's own history and the pain and suffering of its other minorities, we are going to brainwash you to death with our Holocaust films and burn it into your conscience and the conscience of your children..." Director Steven Spielberg once made a special trip to a high school to talk to a student who "laughed" during the screening of Schindler's List, which has been distributed to all America's high schools and has since been made "mandatory" viewing. Spielberg took time off from his very busy schedule because a teenager dared to laugh while the agony of Jews was being shown to him. Think of the millions of Iraqi children who are dying even as you read these words. think of Muhammad Al-Durrah, the 10-year-old Palestinian child who was killed live on camera as his father tried desperately to shield him. Was Spielberg around to fly to Israel and teach the soldiers who killed him about the value of life ? Are the Jewish studio chiefs going to immortalize Muhammad's death on celluloid like they did with the Jewish child Anne Frank? Like Spielberg's studio DreamWorks, all major studios in Hollywood are run by Jews. Most producers, distributors, literary and talent agents, actors, directors, critics and TV top executives are Jewish.  The majority of members of the Academy of Motions Pictures, Arts and Sciences, who number six thousand and who get to cast votes for the coveted Oscar, are Jewish. Little wonder why Holocaust films always win regardless of their redundancy, mediocrity, repetitiveness, exaggeration, historical inaccuracies, and a host of other problems that could very easily disqualify them even from consideration had Hollywood been in the hands of other than its current masters.  No wonder there is a plethora of films demonizing Arabs and Muslims. Take the recent movie "Rules of Engagement" for example. It was produced by Paramount Pictures, which is headed by Sherry Lansing, and directed by her husband Willian Friedkin. Both Jewish. "The Siege" was produced and directed by Edward Zwick, who is Jewish, and came out of 20th Century Fox, owned by Rupert Murdoch, an Australian Jew. CBS, the evil of all networks, is very notorious for its anti-Muslim and anti-Arab programming. On Oscar night for example, CBS aired "Executive Decision", and Fox aired "True Lies", both Muslim-bashing movies. In his excellent book, "The Holocaust Industry", Norman Finklestein, himself a Jew, wrote, "the Holocaust has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world's most formidable powers, with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a "victim" state, and the most successful ethnic group in the United states acquired victim status". The formidable military power is obviously Israel. By constantly drumming up the Holocaust, American Jews are in fact muffling any criticism of Israel, no matter how justified, for its abominable treatment of Palestinians. Notice how during the current Intifada, the American media continue to blame the P,alestinians. Controlled by its Jewish masters, Hollywood will continue to be a formidable mind control tool tailored to sensitize the masses about Jewish suffering and desensitize them about the agonies of others, all in the name of entertainment. The process is so subtle and ingenious so as not to awaken anti-Semitism  and attract people's attention to the plethora of Jewish last names that scroll at the opening and end credits. Those who run the major studios know the power of the projected image. They know because they learned it from the Nazis who used film so powerfully to demonize Jews and turn public sentiment against them. Roles have changed, but the use of film to vilify the "other" is no longer "propaganda" but "Show Business". So long as our Jewish masters continue to run "Show Business", the "industry" and "exploitation" of the Holocaust will continue to thrive and win Oscars while our suffering and that of other minorities, the meek and powerless, will go on unabated . ______________________________ Salam Abdul Khaliq is a free-lance writer in Santa Clara, California.

Re: Holocaust Oscars
PacificBreeze
04/04/01 at 02:42:37
not to mention that it was only by producing "schindler's list" that spielberg finally got his Oscar. good article. :) sounds like an iview.com thing.

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Kashif
04/04/01 at 04:14:17
assalaamu alaikum I was under the impression that Murdoch is a Christian? I shall check later insha'llah. Kashif Wa Salaam
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
humble_muslim
04/04/01 at 07:05:25
AA Kashif, that's what I was thinking.
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
jannah
04/06/01 at 01:10:20
I'm just moving this post to the right thread! btw Iranna where's your intro girl!!! Posted by Iranna326 very cool article..extremely well thought out and insightful. and those are my sentiments exactly about the event(oscars) completely shallow.  they only use the time for advertising anyway. "the ceremony has its roots in Hollywood's obsession with self-promotion; people in this business have a passion for paying tribute to one another" his comment is especially interesting to me, because whenever black people, make a movie about slavery, the usual consensus of opinion is-"why don't they just get over slavery"   get over something that lasted over 500 years-interesting. "Hollywood will continue to be a formidable mind control tool tailored to sensitize the masses" the writer's from Santa Clara, Ca-how did he get away with publishing this? Arsenio Hall lost his show when Louis Farakahn dissed all his jewish sponsors. *don't think i'm down wit farakahn-i don't want to offend anyone,or scare them*  :)

Re: Holocaust Oscars
jehad
04/26/01 at 13:53:54
asalmwalakum.. I don't believe in the holocaust, its fabricated, there are no human remains at the alleged sights of mass burial. they say six million Jews died, there weren't even six million Jews in Europe at the time.

Re: Holocaust Oscars
se7en
04/26/01 at 14:20:46
[quote]I don't believe in the holocaust, its fabricated[/quote] WHAT!!?!?!  This is an absolutely ridiculous notion.  The Holocaust did indeed occur, and the victims of it were not just Jews but others as well... these  people were tortured, slaughtered, in a horrific crime similar to those being perpetrated by Israeli and Serbian forces out there today... the truly evil and wicked people who commit such crimes are going to be held accountable for them, and they will be dealt with in absolute justice for the injustice they committed and the blood they spilled on earth.  The Qur'an says that if any of you take a life, it's as if you've taken the lives of all mankind... these people who systematically slaughtered people... I have no doubt they'll get theirs... You have no right to say something like that.  If you, for whatever reason in your mind think that's true, that's fine, you can believe whatever you choose to... that is between you and Allah and for which you will be held accountable for on the day of judgement... but when you say such things openly, in such a way that you make it seem like this notion is associated with Islam, you're doing a great wrong to not only non-Muslims who will turn away from this deen because of such a statement, not just Muslims who don't know any better, but you are wronging yourself because you will be held accountable for each word you speak that turns people away from Islam.. there is no justification for posting such a notion in a public forum in which Muslims and non-Muslims alike read and learn about Islam... You are my brother in Islam and you have rights upon me as I have rights upon you.  I am reminding you, as your sister in Islam, to be careful with your words and be aware of the consequences they will bring.  Really consider what you write and what you speak... especially here.  there are so many different people on here, people at different levels of eman and understanding, and also lurkers who we don't know anything about... Jehad, your name is jihad... so make sure you perform a JIHAD within yourself everytime you post something.. consider the words of others and their condition before you say anything...

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Kashif
04/26/01 at 15:21:10
assalaamu alaikum Has anyone read a book entitled "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering"? Kashif Wa Salaam
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Saleema
04/26/01 at 23:00:05
[slm] No i haven't read it but you can't buy the book in us. it's banned. but i plan on ordering it on the net one of these days. the book seems like a good read. It does not deny the Holocaust it just says that jewish people have exaggerated it and lied in some instances and that they need to stop asking for money from european countries. And it is written by a Jew. he's not the first jew to say this. but the first jewish person to get the average mans' attention world wide. he got a lot of threats when he published his book from jews but he also got a lot of letters from jews that agreed with him. [wlm] Saleema

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Kashif
04/27/01 at 03:39:48
You can't buy it in the States?! But you can order it from Amazon.com... and besides what happened to the First Amendment.. Freedom of Speech n stuff?
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
jehad
04/27/01 at 04:40:15
asalm walakum , hitler did kill a lot of people, but the extermination of 6 million jews is impossible for the reason there were not that many at that time in europe. if you want to know about the real killers look to stalin,, he killed about 40 million , no one talks about that, cause he was on the side of the west, what about the nuking of japan? goto www.ihr.org to find out more about the facts. a few thousand jews were killed, they were killed not because they were jewish but because of their politics.

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Kashif
04/27/01 at 05:57:22
assalaamu alaikum [quote]they were killed not because they were jewish but because of their politics.[/quote] Very interesting statement. Has anyone read a speech by Benjamin Freedman about this? Does anyone know of its reliability? Kashif Wa Salaam
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
jehad
04/27/01 at 12:32:54
asalm walakum, we've all heard the lies the jewish propagander mechin makes about us, so is it so amazing to asume that they also lie about other things?

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Kashif
04/27/01 at 13:28:57
assalaamu alaikum There are actually numerous groupings of people and individuals who deny the extent of the holocaust. Right or wrong, this isn't an Islamic issue and neither did jehad indicate that this was the opinion of Muslims as a whole or even of the Muslims on this board. Kashif Wa Salaam
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Iranna326
04/27/01 at 17:18:56
[quote]asalmwalakum.. I don't believe in the holocaust, its fabricated, there are no human remains at the alleged sights of mass burial. they say six million Jews died, there weren't even six million Jews in Europe at the time.[/quote] excuse my bias, but it's obvious you have your own so i'll just get to the point.   number one: since your muslim you really ought not to be your own stereotype.  i mean i feel bad enough already that i open the time magazine and there's a two page article on "islamists fundamentalist" and there plans to make "jihad" against the west and israel number two: not only were there in excess of six million jews of the time in europe, but those weren't the only executed; muslims, black people, german pacifists, and homosexuals were RECORDED being LYNCHED at the  "concentration camps", yes 6mill is a guesstimate, but we know how much because scientists used them for experiments, a few were photographed, and recorded with very much emaciated bodies... why the big conspiracy? so they can tell people 6mill died-i don't think so... number three even if your right, (and i'm wrong) why would you even express it?-is this even the right forum?-i return to the point about non-biases number four i remember a skinhead aryan nations member disclosing the same information-why you would want to express the same sentiment?, i don't know. excuse me for being harsh but i am VERY much offended... peace-a offended non-muslim p.s. please try to answer my few questions, again i'm sorry for the words but i was offended...
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Saleema
04/27/01 at 23:13:46
[slm] why would you even express it?-is this even the right forum?-i return to the point about non-biases Good point. This is not the forum to discuss such things whether or not they are true. There are message boards out there dedicated to stuff like this. Many intellectuals and professors *all over the world* including here, *including* Jews, have *all* sorts of different theories about the Holocaust-Some outright absurd  and others aren't. In England they talk about this much more openly, especially in Britian, UK, but you british have to keep in mind that this is only talked about in private circles over here in the US. In Germany too. (no surprise there.  :)  ) And Jehad the jewish guy that i mentioned who's from Britian and wrote that book-- here's his website: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/ It is NOT anti-Jewish. So i'm not promoting anything like that but you may change your mind after you read some of his stuff. People tend to label others under one umbralla. There are so many respective jewish leaders out there who have different viewpoints on the Holocaust and zionism. Just like people label us wrongly and call us terrorists, we and others, (others besides neo-nazis and skinheads), label *all* jews as zionists. please visit: www.jewsnotzionists.org these people don't deny the holocaust. many of them are the victims of holocuast but they don't go to the extreme that zionists do nor they go the other extreme and say that it never happened. And many organizations such as these will acknowledge that atrocities similar and worse have happened to other people through out the world too. Like Stalin who killed 40 million people. Like the Turks who killed thousands and thousands of Armenians. The roman king Nero burned alive Christians at night so that the courtyards would be illuminated by their bodies on fire. The recent deal in Rawanda and Bosnia. anyway below is an article by and Israeli. He is part of a peace movement in Israel that opposes the government. He writes very well and well thought out articles. Would he ever leave Israel? No. But does he deny that Israel was created unjustly and on the cost of other people? No. Is he sorry that it happened? Yes. I hope you read it. ****************************************************** The Jews of Russia and Palestine: A Comparison by Israel Shamir Excerpted from the Russian newspaper Zavtra, Oct. 31, 2000 Black days have descended upon the Israeli people; black because everything that our fathers and ourselves have said, bewailed, and complained about has been as genuine as a three-dollar bill. Back in 1968 I painted on a wall in the USSR: "Hands off Czechoslovakia." Russian-Jewish poet Alexander Galich sang in his beautiful, deep voice: "Citizens, our Fatherland is in danger! Our tanks are rolling through a foreign land!" Bearing such a slogan, several Jews stepped out onto Red Square, and were roughed up by the police. As Russian citizens who cherish honor even when this contradicts falsely-understood patriotism, we protested against Russian tanks in Budapest, Prague, and Kabul. Many years have passed. Now it is Jewish tanks that are rolling through a foreign land. They are not just rolling -- they are killing peaceful civilians, destroying houses, keeping millions of Palestinians emaciated and blockaded. One might expect that many Jewish intellectuals have rushed into our Israeli squares and public places to protest this? Absolutely nothing of the kind. Our intellectuals just celebrate our "valiant Jewish fighters," the steady hands and the sharp eyes of our Jewish snipers, and the unlimited humanism of the Jewish people, who could turn all Palestinian goys into mincemeat, but limit themselves to wounding several hundred each day. "Human rights" activists, such as Sharansky, have opposed the propiska [registration of residence] laws, just the way our grandfathers fought the Pale of Settlement under the Czar. But after our grandfathers won their battle, they herded the Palestinian goys into reservations, compared to which the Pale of Settlement looks like an open society: a Palestinian may not visit a village next to his without requesting permission of the Israelis, without being searched and having his documents checked. Of course, he would not even dream of visiting the sea, just a few kilometers from his house. Jews have protested against discrimination at work and in high schools. But now we have created a system of total national discrimination. Out of 13,000 workers at the Israeli State Electrical Company, only six are goyim. That's 0.0004%! Goyim comprise 40% of the population from Jordan to the sea, but only one quarter of them are allowed to vote. There is not a single gky on the Israeli Supreme court, in the executive branch of government, among the generals, in aviation, or in the secret services. There is not a single goy working even in the leading Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz. That is why everything that Jews have been saying in Russia should be rewritten in view of recent events. We have fought not for human rights, but only for Jewish rights. We have been advocating freedom of movement and occupational choice only for Jews. We are not against our own tanks rolling through foreign lands, we were only against Russian tanks. Upon seeing an unhappy child holding his hands up in front of a machine gunner, we are sorry only if this child is Jewish. The goy's child can be shot as one wishes. When Byalik wrote "the devil has not invented a suitable punishment for killing a child," he apparently visualized only a Jewish child. When he was terrified by visions of pogroms, he was terrified of pogroms against Jews. A pogrom by itself is a usual and even a normal occurrence. Recently the Jews of Upper Nazareth conducted a pogrom against the Arabs of Lower Nazareth, but none of the pogromists were prosecuted. Rather, the police shot dead several of those who were victims of the pogrom. Yet another pogrom on a mass scale was perpetrated against the peaceful and innocent Palestinian town of Beth Jallah. In Czarist Russia - which our grandparents cursed in every way they could and ruined - pogroms killed fewer people over one hundred years than we kill in a week in Palestine. The most terrible Kishinev pogroms in Russia, took the lives of 45 people, with 600 wounded. The total number of recent Arab victims of the Israelis from September to now (October 31, 2000), is 150 killed and 4,000 wounded. After a pogrom in Russia, hundreds of honest goyim, the Russian writers and the entire intelligentsia, raised their voices against the pogromists who participated in the violence. But in Israel, there have been merely a handful who protested, while the Union of Jewish writers supported the Israeli murderers. When in 1991 Jews in Russia advocated private property rights in defiance of Communism, they meant only Jewish private property rights, because the private property of the goyim we confiscate freely, as if it belonged to no one. Just walk along the luxurious districts of Jerusalem - Talbieh, old Catamon, the Greek and German townships. All these palaces belonged to gentiles - Germans, Armenians, Greeks, Palestinians, Orthodox and Muslims. They have been confiscated and given to Jews. In recent weeks, hundreds of hectares have been confiscated from gentiles, and dozens of Palestinian houses were destroyed. Russian-Jewish tycoon Gusinsky flew in to support us in our struggle. Not too long ago he appealed to the world community, at the time that Russia was trying to liberate television broadcasting from his clutches. His support for the state of"Israel" means that Gusinsky agrees with segregation and arrests based on ethnicity. He is only against confiscation of Jewish property. He is only against Jews sitting in prison. The goyim can sit in prison for decades without being convicted in court, that's what happens in our Jewish state. What was it that we did not like about the German Nazis? Their racism? We don't have any less. The Russian-language Jerusalem newspaper Pryamaya Rech conducted a survey among Russian Jews regarding their attitudes towards Palestinians. The Russian Jews said, "I want to kill all Arabs," "All Arabs must be killed." We must admit that we have been against racism as long as it was directed against us. We have been against Nazism while it was a foreign Nazism. Our own native Jewish butchers are the objects of our delight. Before us are open two paths. We can, like the people of Nineveh, repent, return the looted goods, grant full equality, stop the discrimination and the killing, and hope for God's forgiveness. Or, we can persist in our sins, like the inhabitants of Sodom, and prepare for the fire and brimstone to rain down from the furious skies of Palestine.

Re: Holocaust Oscars
jehad
04/28/01 at 13:39:19
Asalm walakum, why I think the holocaust fabrication is relevant? The Jews, Russians and the Serbs used the alleged nazi deeds as justification for their actions against Muslims. The Nazis were not saints, they were nationalists. But during war lies are made, its called propaganda. As the Nazis lost, the Nazi propaganda against the Jews, Masons, Americans, Communists and Serbian nationalists became lies and the Propaganda against the Germans became fact. Some one mentioned Photos, it can be proved that a lot of the photos were of crimes committed by the Russians, and a lot of the victims within the photos are German. I don’t want to go through all the evidences that are used against holocaust believers. I’ve given an internet sight up there, a lot of the writers within it are Jewish. The Jews lie about Allah’s prophet within the Torah, accusing them of adultery and incest. So making up the holocaust is nothing for them.

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Saleema
04/28/01 at 15:02:09
[slm] Jehad, please read the article below. I know you are saying all this because of what Israel has been doing for half a century now to innocent palestinians. But everything about the Holocuast isn't a lie. Trust me. A lot of it did happen. ******************************************************************* The Holocaust Helps Justify Israel's Criminal Policies Copyright: http://www.iviews.com Published Wednesday April 25, 2001 By Enver Masud Last Thursday, President Bush, speaking in the Capitol Rotunda to survivors of "The Holocaust," as part of the annual "Days of Remembrance," said Americans are "bound by conscience" to be sure that the lessons of the concentration camps outlast the living witnesses. Forgotten during the "Days of Remembrance" were all the other holocausts--two of which occurred within the United States, and others that are ongoing. "Hitlerism was a human catastrophe which, unfortunately, had a precedent in the policy applied over five centuries by the European colonialists to 'colored people,'" writes Roger Garaudy, French Deputy Speaker and Senator in "The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics." "What Hitler did to white people, they did to the American Indians,...just as they did to the Africans, of which they deported between 10 and 20 million, which means that Africa was robbed of 100 to 200 million of its inhabitants since ten people had to be killed for one to be taken alive during capture by the slave-dealers." Norman G. Finkelstein, professor at the City University of New York, whose parents survived Nazi concentration camps while every other family member was exterminated, writes in "The Holocaust Industry" that "The number of scholarly studies devoted to the Nazi Final Solution is conservatively estimated at over 10,000. Consider by comparison scholarship on the hecatomb in Congo. Between 1891 and 1911, some 10 million Africans perished in the course of Europe's exploitation of Congolese ivory and rubber resources. Yet, the first and only scholarly volume in English directly devoted to this topic was published two years ago." French author, Phillipe Delmas, writing in "The Rosy Future of War" says: "The same Europe that we are now trumpeting as a model of pacifism has been built by wars, down to the last stone....The two World Wars--only recently fought--caused 100,000,000 deaths including 60,000,000 civilians. The Russian and Chinese Revolutions caused at least 50,000,000 more deaths; actually, historians have recently revised this upward to 100,000,000. As for the 146 little wars since 1945, they have discreetly exterminated close to 30,000,000 people, three-quarters of them civilians, and most of them in the name of the world powers....China has endured Western colonialism, invasion by the Japanese, liberation, and successive Maoist revolution: all told, China has suffered an estimated 30,000,000 to 60,000,000 deaths." "The massacres we do not hear about," writes Peter Dale Scott in "U.S. Responsibility for the Slaughters," "at least at the time, are those for which the United States itself is responsible. This on-going, systematic suppression, from the Philippines in the 1950s to El Salvador in the 1980s, falsifies our understanding, not just of our own history, but of all managed atrocities throughout the world." Regardless of the cost in human lives, in Africa, in Iraq, and elsewhere, divide and rule remains the policy. Dr. Eric Herring, the Iraq sanctions specialist at Bristol University, says that US and British decision-makers have exploited popular humanitarian sentiment for the most cynical Realpolitik reasons. They have no desire for the Shi'ite majority to take control or for the Kurds to gain independence. Their policy is to keep them strong enough to cause trouble for Saddam Hussein while ensuring that Saddam Hussein is strong enough to keep repressing them. This is a direct descendant of British imperial policy from the First World War onwards [and is about the control] of Iraqi oil...Divide and rule was and is the policy." Dr. Robert Dickson Crane, co-founder of the Center for Strategic Studies at Georgetown University, and Foreign Policy Advisor to President Richard Nixon from 1963 to 1968 writes: "The current tragedy [in Sudan] results from the deliberate colonialist policy of Great Britain more than a century ago to put two totally different peoples into one administrative unit in order to better carry out its policy of divide and conquer....From my own proprietary knowledge as a government official, I know that the Israeli Mossad has tried to orchestrate the war between the south and the north, and the CIA has funded it, for more than thirty years. The objective is to pit black Africa against Arab Africa and thereby reduce the Arab, and now the Muslim, threat to Israel." Until recently, "the Nazi holocaust barely figured in American life," says Prof. Finkelstein. "Everything changed with the June 1967 Arab-Israeli war....it was only after this conflict that The Holocaust became a fixture in American Jewish life....[since then] it has been used to justify criminal policies of the Israeli state and U.S. support for those policies." Prof. Finkelstein sees the federally funded Holocaust museum on the Washington Mall as "incongruous." "Imagine the wailing accusations of hypocrisy here," he says, "were Germany to build a national museum in Berlin to commemorate not the Nazi genocide but American slavery or the extermination of the Native Americans." ___________________________________________ Copyright © 2001 The Wisdom Fund. Enver Masud is the director of The Wisdom Fund.  You can visit their Web site at http://www.twf.org.

The Holocaust Industrialists, A Ph.D., and York University
SuperHiMY
04/29/01 at 12:01:30
AsalamAlay.com         Peace and e-Greetings be upon you all,         When I was 11,         My Family had made enuff money at the time         For my dad to take a break and to re-start his         Academic career by pursuing his dream of a Ph.D.         It was 1981 and My dad attended York University         in Toronto's North End.         Taking Political Science, my Dad hadda endure a strange         Afternoon-long Seminar one semester about the Holocaust.         Somehow, York University had assembled the TOP NAZI HUNTERS,         Simon Wiesenthal centre people, Holocaust historians etc etc,         Basically a stage wide panel of the Who's Who in the         "Holocaust Industry" as the title of that recent book would         suggest.         So...after like three hours of listening to them and hearing         all the questions and answers from the mostly early 20 somethings         sitting in the Coliseum style seminar Hall, My dad asks a         question.  A pretty simple question actually:         'With all the Research done, all the evidence available,          There is no doubt that the Holocaust did in fact happen.          I am wondering however if the esteemed panel can answer,          Has there been any research done, any papers written,          any reason given as to           [i]Why the Holocaust happened?           What made the German people start the Holocaust?           What did the Jews do to make the Germans react that way?'[/i]         Every, [i]every[/i] student turned around and looked up         at my dad. He was standing near the top of the Auditorium         and could see the entire hall. They all just looked at him.         Pin drop silence.                 No one said anything.         None of the Nazi Hunters sitting on the Panel.         None of the Profs from the Poli-Sci dept.         None of the Students.         It's as if everyone was frozen for a moment, in time.         Finally, the Professor who was in charge of the seminar         said something like, "Can we just leave it that, that         the Holocaust did HAPPEN."         My Dad, still standing, having made the point, having         made his presence known and raised the ROOT question,         sat down.         So My Dad comes home that evening, after class and tells         his kids about his interesting day [i]at school[/i].         To this day, I haven't found anyone who can answer that Question.         Yeah, [i]WHY did the Holocaust happen?[/i]         Maybe what this 'Industry' is aiming at, is to COVER or         distract from the real issue: What MADE an entire nation         wanna wipe out the Children of Israel (The name of Honour         the Qu'ran gives to our cousins) from their European soil.         p.s. Meet the Muslims:          [i]The New Jews of Europe.[/i]         (see Bosnia, Kosovo, France)

Re: Holocaust Oscars
eleanor
04/29/01 at 14:09:00
slm good point! why *did* the holcaust happen. This is a question with which the german population have been occupying themselves since it happened. Living in Germany sometimes I see these documentaries on TV which you guys probably don't get to see. One particular one which comes to mind now was the one about the "Hitler Youth" movement. These german people shared their memories of when they were a part of this movement. You have to see it like this: a guy comes along and promises that Germany is the best, Germany can take over the world..we are the strongest race, the most intelligent, the most advanced etc etc. Schoo history books were rewritten, the media was *full* of propoganda. This all started years before the holocaust. Hitler got rid of unemployment, people had more money in their pockets, Autobahns (motorways) were built from one corner of Germany to the other, big impressive monuments were built..the olympic stadium in Berlin for example where Hitler and Germany staged the 1936 Olympics. It was an incredible movement..a positive movement.. there was no mention of exclusion of any minority, be it Jew, Black etc. Anyways..these Hitler youth groups were started up all over the country. The kids were so proud and excited to be involved. It was like the Boy Scouts. They went camping, played sport, sang songs around the campfire..(which were *full* of words like "we are the best, we can defeat the rest"). Any kid who wasn't in the Youth Group was jeered at and downtrodden by his classmates. Imagine being the only kid in the school not to go camping with all the rest! The different town groups met up and had big meetings and it culminated in a national gathering of all the Hitler Youth groups in Germany. As one interviewee put it "It was the most amazing thing..to stand there with hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of other children, all striving for the same thing..it made you feel so good, you would have done anything for der Führer. So everyone joined up. Afterall it was a positive thing, the children were learning good values etc (like the Boy Scouts). They were learning to march, play musical instruments, etc.  The parents were just as pleased as the kids..they had more money, the newspapers were full of how great Germany was etc. But there was an undefinable point when it all turned a little serious. When Hitler decided that the great Germany should only be for the real Germans. Blond, strong, christian... This kind of left anyone of a different religion or skin colour out of the picture. But - and this is what *every* interviewee had to say - before they knew what was going on..it was too late to back out. They were sucked in. If they wanted to leave the movement or drop out they would ba ostricised by the whole town and there was a good chance that they'd be killed. So, safety in numbers, they went ahead and followed through on Hitler's master plan. Even if they knew in their hearts that what they were doing was wrong. I don't know if this answers your question? Probably not because there's far more to it than that. But it can all be traced back to the mentally ill Hitler who took things way too far once he realised he had the support of a hundred million people (or thereabouts). There was no one powerful enough who could stand up and say "stop" before it became too late. wasalaam eleanor

Re: Holocaust Oscars
BrKhalid
04/29/01 at 17:47:28
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) I’ve heard it been said that when he was young, Hitler needed a loan and approached a Jew. The Jew offered to lend him money but set a discriminatory rate of interest, which he was not charging fellow Jews. Its been said that it is from this one incident that Hitler’s hatred of the Jews started Now I have no idea if this story is genuine or not but here are a couple of my thoughts 1.Sometimes we may do only one action but the repercussions thereof can be immense. 2.If the story isn’t true you still have to wonder where his hatred came from and as Br HiMY asks “WHY did the Holocaust happen?” PS Just in case anyone gets the wrong end of the stick, the above is not offering any sort of justification for the events which happened to the Jews in the Second World War but merely questioning the circumstances behind it.

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Kashif
04/29/01 at 19:40:19
assalaamu alaikum So you guys have never read a transcript of the speech by Benjamin Friedman? I wish i could type it up for you guys - but its 12 pages long .. perhaps i'll do one page a day. Its very, very interesting. I'll start the typing tomorrow if i remember insha'llah. Kashif Wa Salaam
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Saleema
04/29/01 at 19:42:39
[slm] Noam Chomsky, Uri Avnery, Israel Shamir, and Steven Feuerstein. Steven's site is: www.stevenfeuerstein.com Many Jews have converted to Islam over the centuries. Jameela and Assad are the two famous ones that come to mind right now. Also a Jewish family in Houston converted to Islam about 5 years ago. My mom saw the mom at a store and right there on the spot she told her little son, about 5 years old, to recite what she had taught him. So the little kid shouts, "Allahu Akbar!" and then the shahadat. My mom said it was the so cute of the mom and the kid.  :) [wlm] Saleema

Muslim FilmMakers, Other Losses, and Children in Iraq
SuperHiMY
05/03/01 at 14:30:48
AsalamAlay.com,       Peace and e-Greetings be upon you,       I wonder why we don't have any Jewish people       who have registered and post in the Madina?       Anyway...       Perhaps, we Muslims should MAKE our OWN movie       about the Holocaust in Nazi Europe.       Then we might win an Oscar.       Perhaps our movie would be about the OTHER LOSSES.       Late in the 20th Century, a Canadian journalist       who was interviewing a Former French WWII officer       asked him what the Header 'Other Losses' meant on       some documents of refugees and POWs that he had found       dating back to just after the world war two.       The Frenchman, poured himself some alcohol, began to       cry, and said, it was finally time to tell the truth.       [url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1559580992/qid=988917063/sr=1-9/ref=sc_b_10/103-9576882-9359045[/url]       After reading this book over ten years ago, I was disgusted.       AFTER the Germans had SURRENDED, the FOUR OCCUPYING       allied armies emptied the Jewish Concentration camps,       and then Filled them with German Civilians, Old men, young       children women.       They Let them DIE.       ALL of them.       OVER ONE MILLION german civilians experienced their OWN       HOLOCAUST at the hands of the US, FRENCH, RUSSIAN and US       Militaries.       Canada, being the Sole Victorious Army that decried the       treatment of the german civilians was pushed aside and       as 'punishment' was denied an admistrative area over       occupied germany. So during the cold war, there were 4       occupying armies instead of the original five.       Even remembering parts of this book, makes me numb.       What the Nazis did the Jews et al,       The occupying armies did to the Germans.       But then it got worse, The Author, James Bacque was attacked,       his reputation, his research, they even had entire conferences       held to debunk his book.       Then the Soviet Union collapsed.       He was able to go to russia and Yep, he dug up MORE       EVIDENCE, over 80 pages worth of notes and references.       His follow up book 'Crimes and Mercies'.       Over 5.7 MILLION GERMANS were killed between 1945-50.       [url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316640700/qid=988917768/sr=1-4/ref=sc_b_5/103-9576882-9359045[/url]       Pointed out by one US officer: "the only difference between       the US and the Nazis was the color of the uniform."       The Title 'Other Losses' refers to the German Civilians       who were starved to death by the occupying allied forces.       After the Gulf War,       The Allied Forces placed a Sanction Wall around Iraq.       Today's Other Losses are yet to be counted...       ~ HiMY! ~

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Saleema
05/04/01 at 17:52:21
[slm] My brother told me a couple of days ago that some high schools are now offering Holocaust classes now including his high school. He didn't like the idea. He wanted to know why not something on slavery in America? Or what the catholics had to face? What about the atrocities that happened to  Muslims in Spain? What about a class on the Crusades? Or the Armenian genocide? Or what about the Native Americans, and even now they get ignored by the US government.And as he pointed they learn about the Holocaust since elmentary school all the way to college. And that the class repeats the same things. There's nothing more to learn about it he says. Hate breeds hate. I think that all atrocities/wars must be acknowledged. I think it will be another century before people will start acknowledging all the other stuff that has happened before and after the holocaust. [wlm] Saleema

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Kashif
05/04/01 at 18:38:30
[quote]I think it will be another century before people will start acknowledging all the other stuff that has happened before and after the holocaust.[/quote] I wouldn't trust the kuffaar to tell the truth about their own crimes. Did you guys know that the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam said that this religion would rule wherever night and day reach? That is, there will come a time when the shari'ah revealed by Allah will rule over the US & the UK (if they are still inhabited in those times). Allahu-akbar. Kashif Wa Salaam
NS

Re: Holocaust Oscars
eleanor
05/05/01 at 05:18:43
slm Funny, but the Germans never whinge about this the way the Jews whinge. I never even heard this before reading it here, but I'll ask someone Insha Allah if they ever heard it. wasalaam eleanor

Re: Holocaust Oscars
Mona
05/06/01 at 08:50:44
Assalamu alaikum, [quote]I wish i could type it up for you guys - but its 12 pages long .. [/quote] Kashif, try a scanner with an optical character recognition function.  We have one (HP I think ) in the lab and it works! wassalam

Re: Holocaust Oscars
chachi
05/09/01 at 20:08:13
hmm why the 326?..are you confused? more than 10 million people died as a result of genocide in the Congo including murder mutilation cannabalism  scientific experiments etc in 18 years as a result of King Leopold of Belgiums attempt to create a empire ..anybody read 'Heart of Darkness'? try 'Exterminate the brutes' tens of millions died as a result of genocide including biological warfare in the america's before 'one man one vote ' could be established tens of millions died as a result of slavery by american x-tians and yahood anybody know how many tasmanians are left?.. or how many of the peoples of tierra del fuego who's genocide darwin called for as they were a lesser species of humanity? ... anybody read 'Island of the blue Dolphins'? how many nations have been utterly (and i mean none left) wiped off the face of the planet? in the last 2 centuries..what word shall we use for peoples who's genocide HAS been carried out?

Re: Holocaust Oscars
chachi
05/09/01 at 20:16:46
Stalin Wiped out 80% of the Chechen population in the 1940's but the chechens and a few other muslims never gave in to the defeatist mentality as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn acknowledged No chechen ever did a guard a favour 'It is not those who can give the most who win in the end..it is those who can take the most'
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