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| Magableh |
| 04/10/01 at 21:30:39 |
| Brothers and Sisters, Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu! Can someone please explain to me how you do the Prostration of Thanks to Allah (swt)? JazakAllah Khairan for your help. Wa'assalam, Serena :) |
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| BrKhalid |
| 04/12/01 at 06:13:02 |
| wlm ;-) Sr Serena, I'm not sure what your trying to get at with your question. Can you describe what you mean for us? |
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| AbdulBasir |
| 04/12/01 at 09:11:42 |
| [slm] Are you referring to Sajdah us-Shukr? Here is something from Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Vol. II: --------------- The Prostration of Thankfulness (Sajdat ush-Shukr) The majority of the scholars say that it is preferred to make prostrations of thankfulness (shukr) when one receives a bounty or is rescued from some trial. Abu Bakr reports that, when the Prophet sallallahu alehi wasallam received something which pleased him or some glad tidings, he would make the sajdah in thanks to Allah. This is related by Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, and at-Tirmizhi who says it is hasan. And al-Baihaqi records, with a chain that meets al-Bukhari's conditions, that when 'Ali wrote to the Messenger of Allah, informing him that Hamazhan had embraced Islam, the Prophet prostrated, and when he raised his head, he said: "Peace be upon Hamazhan, peace be upon Hamazhan." 'Abdurrahman ibn 'Auf relates that the Messenger of Allah went out once and he followed him until he entered a grove of palm trees and prostrated. His prostration was so long that 'Abdurrahman feared that Allah had taken his soul. 'Abdurrahman came to look at him and he raised his head and said: "What is wrong, Abdurrahman'?" Abdurrahman mentioned what had happened, and he said: "Gabriel alehi as-salam came to me and said: 'Shall I not give you glad tidings'? Allah says to you, Whoever prays upon you, I pray upon him. Whoever salutes you, I salute him.' Therefore, I prostrated to Allah in thanks." This is related by Ahmad and by AlHakim who says: "It is sahih according to the criterion of al-Bukhari and Muslim. And I do not know anything more authentic than that." Al-Bukhari records that Ka'b ibn Malik made a sajdah when he received the news that Allah had accepted his repentance. Ahmad records that 'Ali performed the sajdah when he heard the news that Zhul-Thudayyah of the Khawarij was killed. Also, as mentioned before, Sa'id ibn Mansur recorded that Abu Bakr made sajdah in thankfulness when Musailimah was killed. The prostration of thankfulness is bound by the same requirements as the prostration in prayer, while some disagree as it is not a prayer. The author of Fath al-'Alam remarks: "This latter opinion is closer to being correct." Ash-Shaukani said: "There is nothing in the hadith to prove that ablution and purity of the clothes and place are required for sajdat-ushshukr. And that is the opinion of Imam Yahya and Abu Talib. And these hadith are silent about any takbir being made with the prostration. In alBahr it is stated that there is a takbir. Imam Yahya says: 'One is not to make the prostration of thankfulness during a prayer as it is not part of the prayer." ------------------ Hope this is of some help...And Allah knows best...[slm] |
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| Mona |
| 04/12/01 at 16:52:33 |
| Assalamu Alaikum, I think Sr. Serena is asking on the 'how to' perform sujood al-shukr. Br. Yahya Ibrahim mentioned -passingly-in fiqh class, that one is not required to: a) face qiblah, b) have ablution (wudoo') or c) (if it is a woman) cover hair while performing sujood al-shukr. But this does not exactly give a detailed description of the sujood al-shukr. That is, is it just one sajdah or two? Do you have to say takbeer at the beginning? Tasleem at the end? I will try to look into it (and/or ask br. Yahya) and post here again. Wassalam |
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| Arsalan |
| 04/12/01 at 17:23:35 |
| [slm] Mona, are you sure about not facing the qiblah? I would *think* that the method of performing sajdat-al-shukr would be similar to the method of performing sajdat-al-tilaawah. And I know (wallahu a'lam) that you must face the qiblah during sajdat-al-tilaawah (recall br. mokhtar performing sajdat-al-tilaawah at ISNA -- ooooh man, the memories!) Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| AbdulBasir |
| 04/12/01 at 17:44:44 |
| [quote](recall br. mokhtar performing sajdat-al-tilaawah at ISNA -- ooooh man, the memories!)[/quote] [slm]sorry bit off topic, but just curious and hoping you could relate that story, since it was so memorable and i missed it...:) [slm] |
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| Arsalan |
| 04/12/01 at 18:26:08 |
| [slm] Brother Abdul Basir, I talked about it in my review of Isna, in [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=kebab&action=display&num=314&start=0]this thread[/url]. Click the link to see the full discussion. Here's the snippet about Br. Mokhtar: [quote]Huma: Br. Mokhtar spoke of spirituality and the heart and led everyone in the audience in a Sajdah after being overwhelmed by the power of a verse. Arsalan: Ah, a highlight scene! Something that will remain with me forever. For those who did not attend it, picture this: Mukhtar Maghroui is giving a talk about "why we can't cry." His speech, as always, is very soft and every word is penetrating the hearts of the audience. He recites an ayah from the Qur'an, one that happens to have a sajdah of tilaawah in it. Immediately, he steps back from the podium. I, for one, have no idea what is going on, because I don't know the ayah contained a sajdah. I watch him as he steps back from the podium as if somebody's hand has shoved him back! He looks around, searching for someone. Then his sights lock on an MSA-officer. "Where's the qiblah?" He asks. The MSA-officer is almost surprised at the question! He points to the direction. Br. Mukhtar falls down on the ground, making prostration in the direction that had been pointed out. The audience members - in a room that is jam packed, with people waiting in lines outside the room to get in when someone leaves the room - all get up from their chairs, find a space in the narrow aisles, and make prostration. Everyone! In case you don't know, sajdah of tilaawah is NOT an obligation. It is totally up to the person who recites the ayah, whether he wants to do the sajdah or not. But IF he does, then those who are listening to his recitation must follow as well. I've seen many speeches where people recite a sajdah of tilaawah, but never performing the sajdah immediately. This act of Br. Mukhtar just changed the entire momentum of his talk. His comment after the sajdah, "i feel like a hypocrite not prostrating to Allah after reading a verse like that" drove home the entire point of the lecture. It was indeed a special moment. [/quote] |
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| AbdulBasir |
| 04/12/01 at 18:51:27 |
| Thanks Arsalan. That post was on long before I ventured into the Madina and alhamdulillah I don't believe I would have ever read it or found it had you not pointed it out. Sounded unbelievable...:) [slm] |
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| Kathy |
| 04/12/01 at 21:21:07 |
| [slm] Just in case anyone else was wondering-Praise be to Allaah. From Islam Q&A There are fifteen places in the Qur’aan where we should perform sajdat al-tilaawah (prostration of recitation) when reciting them. It was reported from ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited to him fifteen verses in the Qur’aan where one should prostrate, three of which are in al-Mufassal and two in Soorat al-Hajj. It was reported by Abu Dawood, Ibn Maajah, al-Haakim and al-Daaraqutni, and classed as hasan by al-Mundhiri and al-Nawawi. The fifteen aayat are (interpretation of the meanings): 1 - “Surely those who are with your Lord (angels) are never too proud to perform acts of worship to Him, but they glorify His Praise and prostrate before Him.” [al-A’raaf 7:206] 2 - “And unto Allaah (Alone) falls in prostration whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and in the afternoons.” [al-Ra’d 13:15] 3 – “And to Allaah prostrate all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, of the live moving creatures and the angels, and they are not proud [i.e., they worship their Lord (Allaah) with humility].” [al-Nahl 16:49] 4 – “Say (O Muhammad): ‘Believe in it (the Qur’aan) or do not believe (in it). Verily! Those who were given knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration.” [al-Isra’ 17:107] 5 – “… When the Verses of the Most Beneficent (Allaah) were recited unto them, they fell down prostrating and weeping.” [Maryam 19:58] 6 – “See you not that to Allaah prostrates whoever is in the heavens and whoever is one the earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the mountains, and the trees, and al-dawaab (moving living creatures, beasts, etc.), and many of mankind? But there are many (men) on whom the punishment is justified. And whomsoever Allaah disgraces, none can honour him. Verily! Allaah does what He wills.” [al-Hajj 22:18] 7 – “O you who believe! Bow down, and prostrate yourselves, and worship your Lord and do good that you may be successful.” [al-Hajj 22:77] 8 – “And when it is said to them: ‘Prostrate to the Most Beneficent (Allaah)!’ They say, ‘And what is the Most Beneficent? Shall we fall down in prostration to that which you (O Muhammad) command us?’ And it increases in them only aversion.” [al-Furqaan 25:60] 9 – “[As Shaytaan has barred them from Allaah’s Way] so that they do not worship (prostrate before) Allaah, Who brings to light what is hidden in the heavens and the earth, and knows what you conceal and what you reveal.” [al-Naml 27:25] 10 – “Only those believe in Our aayaat (verses, signs, etc.) who, when they are reminded of them fall down prostrate, and glorify the Praises of their Lord, and they are not proud.” [al-Sajdah 32:15] 11 – “… And Dawood guessed that We had tried him and he sought forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance.” [Saad 38:24] 12 – “And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Him Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.” [Fussilat 41:37] 13 – “So fall down in prostration to Allaah, and worship Him (Alone).” [al-Najm 53:62] 14 – “And when the Qur’aan is recited to them, they fall not prostrate.” [al-Inshiqaaq 84:21] 15 – “… Fall prostrate and draw near to Allaah!” [al-‘Alaq 96:19] Al-Albaani said, in Tamaam al-Minnah (296): “On the contrary, the hadeeth is not hasan, because it includes two majhool [unknown] narrators. Al-Haafiz said in al-Talkhees, after quoting the opinion of al-Mundhiri and al-Nawawi that it is hasan: ‘’Abd al-Haqq and Ibn Qattaan classed it as da’eef [weak]. It includes ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Munayn, who is majhool, and the one who narrated from him is al-Haarith ibn Sa’eed al-‘Atqi, who is also unknown.’ Ibn Maakoolaa said: ‘ He did not narrate any hadeeth apart from this one.” Hence al-Tahhaawi was of the opinion that there is no second sajdah in Soorat al-Hajj, towards the end of the soorah. This is also the opinion of Ibn Hazm who said in al-Muhalla: “Because it is not narrated in any saheeh report that this was the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and there is no scholarly consensus to this effect. But it was reported with a saheeh isnaad that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, the daughter of ‘Abd-Allaah and Abu Darda’ performed sajdah in (the second verse quoted from Soorat al-Hajj).” Then Ibn Hazm discussed whether the sajdahs for the other aayaat quoted are prescribed in Islam. He mentioned that the scholars are agreed upon the first ten, that performing sujood when reciting these aayaat is prescribed. Al-Tahhaawi also reported this consensus in Sharh al-Ma’aani (1/211), but he said that the sajdah in Soorat Fussilat was prescribed, instead of the sajdah in Soorat Saad. Both scholars narrated ahaadeeth with saheeh isnaads from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning the sajdahs in Saad, al-Najm, al-Inshiqaaq and al-‘Alaq. These last three are from the Mufassal, which is referred to in the hadeeth of ‘Amr mentioned above. In conclusion, even though the isnaad of the hadeeth is weak, it is supported by the consensus of the ummah which supports most of it, and by saheeh ahaadeeth which support the rest of it, except for the second sajdah in Soorat al-Hajj, for which there is no evidence in the Sunnah or in the consensus of the scholars. But some of the Sahaabah used to prostrate when reciting it, which could be taken as evidence, especially since no one is known to have disputed with them in this regard. To sum up, the prostration of recitation should be performed when reciting the fifteen verses quoted above. And Allaah knows best. |
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| Magableh |
| 04/13/01 at 00:04:15 |
| Dear Brothers and Sisters, Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu! JazakAllah Khair for all of your responses. [quote]But this does not exactly give a detailed description of the sujood al-shukr. That is, is it just one sajdah or two? Do you have to say takbeer at the beginning? Tasleem at the end? I will try to look into it (and/or ask br. Yahya) and post here again.[/quote] Sister Mona, that would be greatly appreciated, if you could. :) Just a few questions: How soon after you receive the bounty from Allah (swt) or get saved from an affliction should you do the Sujood al-shukr? How is it performed? Is it *similar* to the obligatory prayer? Is there any *specific* time in the day/night that it should be done? May Allah (swt) bless all of you for your assistance :) Wa'assalam, Serena |
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| Mona |
| 04/13/01 at 05:34:42 |
| Assalamu alaikum, Serena and Arsalan, I did ask br Yahya again last night. He wrote back confirming that it is valid - actually more raje7- to perform sujood ash-shukr [prostration of thanks] without wudoo', facing qiblah or (for women) covering hair. Although he acknowledges that there is an opinion (also valid) that states one has to face qiblah and have wudoo' for sujood ash-shukr. Here is a direct quote of part of his reply message. [color=blue]Sujood ash-Shukr is not a planned event. The three instances that are reported in the ahadeeth mentioning the Rasool [saw] performing the Shukr sujood (Hamzan entering Islam, hadeeth of AbdurRahman bin 'auf, and hadeeth of Ka'b bin malik are the instances off the top of my head wa allahu a'lam) were all spontaneous. This sajda' is done out of an overwhelming feeling that compels the individual to fall into prostration. Logically, a person may not be in wudu, may not be in proper attire and may not be facing the qibla or know where the qibla is if he is outside his known surroundings (as was in two of those three situations of Rasool ul Allah). Therefore ash-Shawkani and many of the scholars stated that since the sajda is NOT salaah (there is concensus upon this) and there is no takbeer to enter it or tasleem to exit it therefore it is not to have the other constraints that are necessary for the validity of Salaah.[/color] I asked about references and these are what he suggested (I think all are in Arabic) [color=blue] Fiqh us Sunnah by Sayyid Sabiq Nayl al-Awtar by al-Shawkani Al-Mughni by Ibn Qudamah (Hanbali fiqh) al-Majoo' of Imaam an-Nawawi (Shafi'ee fiqh) Mukhtasar al-Fiqh al-Islami by Muhammed bin Ibrahim at-Tuwajri [/color] As to the specifics of sujood al-shukr, he explained that it is a) only one rak3aa b) neither preceeded by takbeer nor concluded by tasleem So sr Serena, from my understanding of the above, there isn't a specific time to perform sujood al-shukr other than the *instance* of receiving good news/good fortune etc. On how it is performed, one has to fall on her/his knees and prostrate once (like we do in prayers) and say "subhannah rabbiya al-3laa" 3 times. But that is it. No wudoo', hair cover, facing of qiblah, takbeer or tasleem is required. As br Yahya said, this is not a planned event. Rather it is a spontaneous 'reaction' in gratitude to Allah suhanahu wa ta3ala. Wallahu a3lam. Hope this helps Wassalam |
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| MuslimaKanadiyya |
| 04/13/01 at 16:24:11 |
| assalamu 'alaikum, [quote] I asked about references and these are what he suggested (I think all are in Arabic) Fiqh us Sunnah by Sayyid Sabiq [/quote] Part of Sayyid Sabiq's Fiqh us-sunnah has been translated into English by Jamal al-Din M. Zarabozo. The section on Sajdat al-Shukr appears in the second volume (Superogatory Prayer) on pages 45-46. I have copied what he says about how to perform the sajdah al-shukr below. ------------- [color=Blue] The Prostration of Thankfulness (Sajdat ush-Shukr) (...) The prostration of thankfulness is bound by the same requirements as the prostraion in prayer, while some disagree as it is not a prayer. The author of [i]Fath al-'Alam[/i] remarks: "This latter opinion is closer to being correct." Ash-Shaukani said: "There is nothing in the hadith to prove that ablution and purity of the clothes and place are required for [i]sajdat-ush-shukr[/i]. And that is the opinion of Iman Yahya and Abu Talib. And these [i]ahadith[/i] are silent about any [i]takbir[/i] being made with the prostration. In [i]al-Bahr[/i] it is stated that there is a [i]takbir[/i]. Imam Yahya says: 'One is not to make the prostration of thankfulness during a prayer as it is not part of the prayer.'" [/color] wassalam |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/13/01 at 20:21:57 |
| slm Actually all of fiqh-us-sunnah has been translated. Here is the part relevant: Fiqh-us-Sunnah Fiqh volume 2 number 45b The Prostration of Thankfulness (Sajdat ush-Shukr) The majority of the scholars say that it is preferred to make prostrations of thankfulness (shukr) when one receives a bounty or is rescued from some trial. Abu Bakr reports that, when the Prophet sallallahu alehi wasallam received something which pleased him or some glad tidings, he would make the sajdah in thanks to Allah. This is related by Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, and at-Tirmidhi who says it is hasan. And al-Baihaqi records, with a chain that meets al-Bukhari's conditions, that when 'Ali wrote to the Messenger of Allah, informing him that Hamadhan had embraced Islam, the Prophet prostrated, and when he raised his head, he said: "Peace be upon Hamadhan, peace be upon Hamadhan." 'Abdurrahman ibn 'Auf relates that the Messenger of Allah went out once and he followed him until he entered a grove of palm trees and prostrated. His prostration was so long that 'Abdurrahman feared that Allah had taken his soul. 'Abdurrahman came to look at him and he raised his head and said: "What is wrong, Abdurrahman'?" Abdurrahman mentioned what had happened, and he said: "Gabriel alehi as-salam came to me and said: 'Shall I not give you glad tidings'? Allah says to you, Whoever prays upon you, I pray upon him. Whoever salutes you, I salute him.' Therefore, I prostrated to Allah in thanks." This is related by Ahmad and by AlHakim who says: "It is sahih according to the criterion of al-Bukhari and Muslim. And I do not know anything more authentic than that." Al-Bukhari records that Ka'b ibn Malik made a sajdah when he received the news that Allah had accepted his repentance. Ahmad records that 'Ali performed the sajdah when he heard the news that Dhul-Thudayyah of the Khawarij was killed. Also, as mentioned before, Sa'id ibn Mansur recorded that Abu Bakr made sajdah in thankfulness when Musailimah was killed. The prostration of thankfulness is bound by the same requirements as the prostration in prayer, while some disagree as it is not a prayer. The author of Fath al-'Alam remarks: "This latter opinion is closer to being correct." Ash-Shaukani said: "There is nothing in the hadith to prove that ablution and purity of the clothes and place are required for sajdat-ushshukr. And that is the opinion of Imam Yahya and Abu Talib. And these hadith are silent about any takbir being made with the prostration. In alBahr it is stated that there is a takbir. Imam Yahya says: 'One is not to make the prostration of thankfulness during a prayer as it is not part of the prayer.'" |
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| proudtobemuslim |
| 04/15/01 at 08:33:19 |
| Assalam-u-Alaikum, Is it necessary to have wudu for sajadh-tilawa? And what does raje7 mean? Wassalam-u-Alaikum, Uzer |
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| Mona |
| 04/16/01 at 14:07:29 |
| Assalamu alaikum, sorry i didn't reply in the thread right away. Anyway, [color=black]raje7[/color] or rajeH; 7 being the transliteration for Haa (the arabic letter followed by khaa), [color=black]means more right or more likely[/color]. as to sajdah al-tilaawah, I don't know for sure whether wudoo' is a requirement. wassalam |
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| Arsalan |
| 04/16/01 at 15:51:10 |
| [slm] As far as I know, wudoo is NOT a requirement for sajdah al-tilaawah. |
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