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Minhaj-ul-Qu'ran
eleanor
04/12/01 at 10:07:09
slm What do you think of the movement Minhaj-ul-Qu'ran and of the books published by its founder Prof.Dr. Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri? Interested in your opinions, Eleanor

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eleanor
04/18/01 at 14:07:24
do even any of the Pakistani people know anything???

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Asim
04/18/01 at 15:38:51
Assalaamu alaikum, My personal advice is to not get involved in Minhaj-ul-Quran. If your goal is to gain knowledge then, alhamdulillah, there are many reliable books available from scholars of the past and present. A lot is available in english also and they should be sufficient for you at the moment. I don't have deep knowledge about Minhaj-ul-Quran and Tahirul Qadri but from what I know they do have deviant aqeedahs. Incidently, this past ramadan I was with someone (who is a Tahirul Qadri fanatic) and I unfortunately ended up in Tahirul Qadri's mosque for jummah. It was an interesting experience to say the least! Wish I had a notebook to jot down his khutbah! Wasalaam.

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Arsalan
04/18/01 at 16:24:12
[slm] I meant to reply to this before, but I forgot about it!   My advice: (As Asim said) Stay away from them!  They are no good.   This guy's name was supposedly chosen by the Prophet (pbuh) in his parent's dream!  He supposedly saw the Prophet (pbuh) ordering him to make a jamaa'h (an association) and even suggested the name for it!   These are all claims by him, of course.  Apparently, he also converses with him every now and then. :) He is a big time deviant.  In his youth, people thought good of him but with time Shaitan has taken over. Wassalamu alaikum.

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muhannad
04/18/01 at 17:28:45
[quote] He is a big time deviant.  In his youth, people thought good of him but with time Shaitan has taken over. [/quote] I refrained from saying anything when you first posted, as I didn't want to offend anyone.  but seeing as Asim and Arsalan have spoken then here goes: the minhaj belong to the Brelawi sect.  This sect basically originates from Pakistan.  They indulge in major innovations and some aspects of shirk (giving the Prophet some of Allah's attributes).  For a good critique on them refer to the work by the great Hanafi scholar Ihsan Ilahi Zaheer (rahimahulla).  In fact many scholars of our times have said that Salah behind leaders of this movement is not permissable.

Re: Minhaj-ul-Qu'ran
eleanor
04/19/01 at 03:39:44
That's what I thought. I read this book by him and it had an introduction by someone else and this guy was saying that Rasulallah had spoken to Qadri's father and told him what to name his son. And his father dedicated his son's life to Allah. When I read this alarm bells started going off in my head and echoes of Qadiani came to me. My husband thinks there's nothing wrong with Qadri and thinks I should learn from him, but I'm not so sure. I also told my husband I wanted to order a book called "Riyaad-us-Saaliheen" for hadith but he told me not to and that I should look for a book by/about someone called Shah Abdul Haq Mohaddith Dehlvi or a book called Sahih Bukhari. What do you guys think? I mean I don't want to go against my husband here but I also don't want to study false books. I read a couple of books by Qadri and he did raise some interesting points and I learned quite a bit, but something about his manner or his style of lecturing displeases me. Keep the answers coming brothers (and sisters) wasalaam eleanor

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humble_muslim
04/19/01 at 06:37:59
AA I'm suprised your husband suggested Sahih Bukhari but not Ridyah Us Salaheen. Sahih Bukahri is a collection of hadith.  It is BIG!  It has about 7000 hadith.  It is considered to be the most authentic of the hdaith books. Sahaih Muslim is the next most authentic hadith book.  It has about 4000 hadith. Now Riyadh Us Salheen has taken many authentic hadith from Bukhari and Muslim (and other hadith books) and put them into an easier to read style.  Each Chapter in Riyadh Us Salaheen also has relevenat Quranic ayats. So IMHO, Riyadh Us Salaheen is an EXCELLENT book for learning the fundamentals of Islam, as well as some of the more subtle points.  Reading Bukhari will be more difficulty, and I would not recommend it straight off the bat. Sahih Muslim is more readable than Bukhari, and the English translation has a reasonable commentary.  When I first wanted to read hadith books, I first got Sahih Muslim, and then moved onto Bukhari. May Allah help us all, Ameen. Wasalam, Your brother in Islam, Hamayoun.
NS

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Arsalan
04/19/01 at 10:06:02
[slm] Once again, I'd advise you to stay as far away from Taher Qadri as possible!  Don't even read his works for "interest."  Your time is much more valuable than being spent on such garbage. Maybe your husband doesn't know what Riyad us Saliheen is.  A lot of Pakistanis don't.  It's a compilation of hadith by a great scholar of Islam Imam an-Nawawi.  As humble muslim said, it contains ahaadith from two sources: Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, both of which are known to be 100% authentic. I don't know about the other book by Shah Abdul Haq Mohaddith Dehlvi.  If he insists, go ahead and buy bukhari.  But try and talk him into letting you buy Riyad us Saliheen. Another good thing about Riyad us Saliheen (the newer editions) is that it has excellent commentary for each hadith.  Bukhari doesn't contain any commentary. Wassalamu alaikum.

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proudtobemuslim
04/19/01 at 10:28:48
Assalam-u-Alaikum, COMMENTARY?!!  Al-Hamdulillah, so you mean that all the Ahadith will have information about the conditions under which the hadith happened and its scholarly interpretations?  Thats so great.  Brother could you please inform me of the publisher, no. of volumes and probable price, as the two volumes I have don't have any commentary. Sahih Bukhari is good as reference book... I don't think that it was meant for one to read to gain knowledge about what is Haram/Halal and draw meanings from the Ahadith which is what a person would obiviously tend to do.  For example, there is a hadith in Sahih Bukhari that a Sahabee used to see the Prophet's (SAW) beard moving due to reciting during Salah where the Qur'anic recitation is in a low voice.  Now a layman will think then that it is ok to look at the Imam during salah, but what one would not know is that after this incident took place the Muslims were ordered not to look around during the Salah.  So I suggest you try to gey some of the other books available on sites such as www.dar-us-salam.com and others.  You may also want to try the free books available at www.alharamain.org. May Allah (AWJ) help you in your quest for knowledge.  Ameen. Wassalam-u-Alaikum, Uzer

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Arsalan
04/19/01 at 11:26:53
[slm] [quote]so you mean that all the Ahadith will have information about the conditions under which the hadith happened and its scholarly interpretations?[/quote] I wish!  You want it to be sharH!  It's not that yaa akhee.  It's just commentary expounding on the meanings and implications of the ahadith.  *Sometimes* the author does go into a bit about the background of the hadith, when he feels it's necessary.  But not nearly in the amount of detail as a sharH would. It's still much, much better than simply reading a hadith and deriving your OWN meanings of what you just read!  I'll have to go and look at the publisher's name.  I'll get back to you by tomorrow insha Allah. Wassalamu alaikum.

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muhannad
04/19/01 at 12:34:28
Bukhari and muslim are really reference works.   Riyad as-salihin is a smaller work and like Arsalan said doesn't have a commentary but notes to it.  It was intended for the general muslims to benefit from (a hallmark of many of an-Nawawis books). I would recommend one of his shorter works (40 Hadith of an-Nawawi).  It contains the essentials that every muslim needs to know about his deen.  Excellent for beginners.  Now, there is a three volume commentary on it by Jamal Zarabozo, which I have looked at and it seems pretty good - you can pick it up for a bit less than al-Bukhari (here its about £50). ps. there is a 96 cassette commentary of Riyad as-salihin by the late shaykh Muhammad al-uthaymin in Arabic at www.islamway.com/   I have listened to some cassettes and its great stuff. Allah knows best

Re: Minhaj-ul-Qu'ran
eleanor
04/20/01 at 05:45:48
[quote]  Â For a good critique on them refer to the work by the great Hanafi scholar Ihsan Ilahi Zaheer (rahimahulla). quote] can anyone give me a link or an url where I can find info. on him? wasalaam eleanor

Re: Minhaj-ul-Qu'ran
chachi
04/30/01 at 17:46:27
Salaam     May i suggest that you start with the 6 Kalimah's first? the basic muslim statements of belief and then you progress to using hadith to understand why these are the statements of belief.     Reading Sahih Bukhari or any of the large books of hadith and thinking that you can understand islam is not something i would recommend as     1) These books were written in arabic     2) These books were written for people with a lot of knowledge
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