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Need help understanding a hadith
Teacup
04/19/01 at 11:29:45
Assalamu Alaikum Being new here I sort of feel I have to catch up with some people's thousand posts ;)Anyway seriously I am working on some curriculum development for Islamic Schools (or maybe I will just use it for myself if I home school).  The unit I am working on is healthy food - healthy body and I am seeking out any hadiths that would support this (so if you have any let me know)  The hadith though that I came across that I need clarification on is the one that states    Narrated Nafi': Ibn Umar never used to take his meal unless a poor person was called to eat with hm.  One day I brought a oor man to eat with him, the man ate too much, whereupon Ibn 'Umr said, "O Nafi!  Don't let this man enter my house, for I heard theprophet saying, "A believer ets n one intestine (is satisfied with a little food),and akafir (unbeliever) eats in seven intestines (eats much food). Now first is this a strong or weak hadith? And if is strong what exactly does it mean? Wa alaikum Assalam Teacup

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
humble_muslim
04/19/01 at 13:08:16
AA This is an authentic hadith, I believe in Sahih Muslim. I think the words in parantheses explain the meaning, that is to say that a beliver is satisfied with a small amount of food, whereas a non-believer will just keep eating to indulge himself. Eleanor also quoted some hadith about eating on another thread, the one about diets.  You might want to check that out.

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
BrKhalid
04/19/01 at 13:54:54
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) It's in Sahih Bukhari as well so there's no doubt on its authenticity. [quote]Anyway seriously I am working on some curriculum development for Islamic Schools[/quote] Is there no standard one anywhere out there? I'd be interested to see what topics are covered.

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
eleanor
04/19/01 at 14:00:54
[quote] Eleanor also quoted some hadith about eating on another thread, the one about diets.  You might want to check that out.[/quote] This is true. If I was se7en I'd put a link up to the thread here, but unfortunately I'm not HTML lingual and also my keyboard doesn't have those square brackets. As to the hadith you have, the meaning that I read was "One may eat seven times more than is required". I interpreted this to mean that when we eat until we are "full", then we have eaten seven times more than we should have. You could also write about how unhealthy pork is which is why Allah forbade it. The holy Qu'ran also recommended the fig and the olive. Both of these are very healthy foods. (Fig is full of fibre and the olive helps lower cholestorol). It is reported by Zayd bin Arqam that "Holy Prophet (pbuh) recommended the use of Olive (oil) for the heart patients." I don't know the soundness of this hadith. you might want to check it out. there are also further hadith which recommend white meat (that of birds and fish) to red meat. One of them being "There is a curative quality in Cow's milk, a medicinal value in Cow's butter and disease in Cow's meat"  (Zad-ul-Maad) Again I can't really vouch for the authenticity of this hadith. Finally a word about alcohol. We all know how unhealthy it is and I'm sure you could do a great section on that. hope this has helped wasalaam eleanor

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
Teacup
04/19/01 at 14:36:10
Assalamu Alaikum I believe this is in response to Brother Khalid.  As for your question on Islamic School Curriculum.  I am sure there has been work done in this area but having worked at an Islamic School I see that there is a definent division between the presentation of Islamic studies (arabic and Islamiat are usually taught seperatly) and the presentation of other courses (science, math, english, reading, etc.)  I feel however that there is a way to incorporate both together so there is no division.  That is the project I am currently working on.  To give an example of how much of a division there is out there we were specifically told as homeroom teachers not to incorporate Islamic Studies in our curriculum.  I find this absurd seeing as how Islam effects every aspect of our life and should be discussed in the regular classroom.  Many schools boast about their state accredidation or thier adopted curriculum from a certain school district.  This is an attempt to make parents feel that their children are getting the same education as their public school peers.  However it is my belief that same does not always mean better.  Anyway I could ramble on about this forever....so let me just state my goal in working on this project is to develop a curriculum that is cross curricular and can be incorporated into the homeroom classroom.   Teacup :) Just an aside...we also have a problem in Islamic Schools of finding qualified muslim teachers.  Due to this many Islamic Schools have gone to hiring non muslims who have certification.

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
humble_muslim
04/19/01 at 15:15:33
AA Teacup, you are addressing a VERY important issue.  When it comes to certain subjects, these have been totally secularized in the west, particularly the sciences and, as you mention, healthy eating.  An Islamic school is THE place to start the process of integration between Islam and science (and other subjects).  I remember reading an article about this many years ago by Mauluna Maududi, in which he gave, as an example, how the seasons could explained in terms of being a blessing of Allah.
NS

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
BrKhalid
04/19/01 at 17:35:32
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Sr Teacup may Allah[swt] help you in your efforts. I get the feeling its very much the same with our Islamic schools here in the UK with the main national curriculum being taught alongside traditional Islamic education. I wonder what happens in Biology class, say, if the curriculum says that Darwin's theory of evolution has to be taught? [quote]An Islamic school is THE place to start the process of integration between Islam and science (and other subjects)[/quote] humble muslim, I couldn't agree more [quote]Just an aside...we also have a problem in Islamic Schools of finding qualified muslim teachers. [/quote] Why is that?

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
se7en
04/19/01 at 23:34:00
[quote]If I was se7en I'd put a link up to the thread here[/quote] click [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=sisters&action=display&num=2547]here[/url] to check out that thread.

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
eleanor
04/20/01 at 04:53:34
[quote] click here to check out that thread.[/quote] et Voilá....

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
muhannad
04/20/01 at 21:42:26
[quote] I wonder what happens in Biology class, say, if the curriculum says that Darwin's theory of evolution has to be taught? [/quote] teach it as an explanation offered by the atheist and then explain how BATIL it is :)

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
Kathy
04/21/01 at 09:29:35
slm Hear hear!oh Muhannad!

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
assing
04/30/01 at 09:24:56
As salaamu alaykum, going back to the sisters' original question: "A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food),and a kafir (unbeliever) eats in seven intestines (eats much food)." Now first is this a strong or weak hadith? The hadeeth is saheeh and it can be found in saheeh Al Bukhari and Muslim. And if is strong what exactly does it mean? Scholars have written books explaining ahadeeth that may be difficult to understand or may seem contradictory like this one, and these books are usaully refered to as "Mushkil al'Aathaar" - Difficult Narrations {to understand}. And from from one of these kinds books is "Mushkilaat Al Ahadeeth An Nabawiyyah", by Abdullah Al Qaasimee {died 1935} wherein he says about this hadeeth:   "A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food),and a kafir (unbeliever) eats in seven intestines (eats much food)." This is the narration of Al Bukhari, whereas the narration of Muslim is as follows {and the circumstance in which the messenger {saw} said the hadeeth will inshallah further clearify things}. Abu Hurayrah said:"A person hosted the messenger of Allah and he was a kaafir, so he ordered a goat to be milked and he drank its milk, then another one, then another one, then another one, until seven goats were milked. Then we woke up and he accepted Islam, then he ordered a goat to be milked and he drank its milk, then he ordered another {to be milked} and he was unable to drink it all. Then the messenger of Allah said: "A mu'min eats in one intestine and a kaafir  eats in seven intestines." The meaning of the hadeeth is a true mu'min, who is truthful in his eeman always thinks about the akhirah and its punishment, always in fear of Allah,  avoids haram, stays away from places of fitnah, abstaining from the dunya and its pleasures, wanting the akhirah: he partakes very little in this dunya from its food and drinks, dress, place of abode, etc. And this is just a another manner of expressing that he has little concern for this dunya and its pleasures because of his concern fro the akhirah.    As for ths kaafir, he does not care about Islam, whether Allah is pleased with him or angry at him, thus he is the opposite of the mu'min, he has no concern except for this dunya and obtaining its delights, thus he has a big portion of this dunya, and hence he eats from seven intestines. The seven intestines mentioned here does not mean just seven in the strict literal sense, it refers to his excessive partake in this dunya. For example Allah says in surah At Tawbah, ayah 80: "Whether you (O Muhammad SAW) ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them … (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness … Allâh will not forgive them, because they have disbelieved in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW). And Allâh guides not those people who are Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh)." This does not mean if the messenger {saw} asked 71 times then OK Allah will forgive them, never and the same thing applies with the kaafir; regardless how much he eats, drinks, intercourse, whatever he has no limit.
NS

Re: Need help understanding a hadith
chachi
04/30/01 at 19:16:21
Or teach it and then show how it dosn't statistically add up ...the only way of truly destroying a scientific theory
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