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| A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| Anik |
| 04/26/01 at 02:47:27 |
| asalaamu alaikum brother and sisters, if you guys don't knw me, I am Anik. well, I'll get to the issue a while back, we had an Islam info setup in our foyer on campus when a guy set up a sign saying: Ask Me Why I Left Islam To Become A Christian he was handing out pamphlets that seemed Islamic enough and then by the end pointed to the worship of Christ, not Allah. He was a Pakistani-Canadian who was bron muslim, lived in Alberta, and had almost no muslim influence save his parents who were supportive of him becoming Christian. I sensed two things wrong with how he was preaching: 1) he was bringing Islam down to justify his view 2) he was using these sneaky Christian pamphlets that seemed Islamic until half the comic was over and I asked him why? he goes: I saw a angel who told me that God does not allow boasting of good deeds to enter heaven. and I thought hmmm... I didn't have the Ilm to answer... he said that to boast of the good deeds one had done in life, as if to "rack up points upstairs", was not the way to God. This lack of knowledge led him astray. so i got his number as soon as he was almost charged and kicked off campus. A lot of muslims didn't like me talking to him because we were speaking very comfortably... but i want to call him one day and respond. HELP! What in the world would I tell him? aslaamu alaikum. anik,. |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| Yusuf |
| 04/26/01 at 06:19:39 |
| In Islam you aren't allowed to boast of the good deeds you do. If you do I believe this is a form of minor shirk - Ash-Shirk-al-Asghar Ar-Riya. This is when you do any act of worship or religious deed in order to gain praise, fame or for worldly benefit. Say (O Muhammad saw): "I am only a man like you, it has been revealed to me that your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (Allah). So whoever hopes for the meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord." (18:110) |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| nehar |
| 04/26/01 at 06:25:39 |
| [slm] there is this real good booklet i read the other day about how the bible contradicts itself and about prophet isa (pbuh). I'll give u the booklet name wen i get home.:) take care [wlm] Nehar |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| jehad |
| 04/26/01 at 07:14:28 |
| asalm walakum,, you know christians lie,, all the people i have spoken to who were non white missionarys claimed to be muslim before. they were all lying. they knew no verses from the koran, they didnt even know shahdah. every single white missionary i have spoken to claimed that they were about to become muslim then they saw the light, they were all lying, they had absulutly no knolege of islam. that christian you spoke to is clearly lying, as he claimed to see a angle. most of the missionarys i spoke to claim stuff like this, tell him to bring his angle to you.. they are lyers,, there is very little you can say to some one who says he belives in the cross , cause he met jesus, god, or an angle. tell them to fear allah and stop lying. spend your time on non muslims who fear allah enough not to lie about him. |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| MuslimaKanadiyya |
| 04/26/01 at 08:18:01 |
[quote]you know christians lie... [/quote] :o assalam 'alaikum, The good ones don't. The people you describe, Jehad, are hardly behaving in a Christian manner, and their actions should not be taken as indicative of those of all Christians. Christianity, like Islam, does not look favorably on those who lie even if people try to justify it saying it is for the greater good. Some of my family is devoutly Christian, and I would appreciate it if you didn't make such sweeping generalizations about them. Yes, unfortunately, some people do lie about such things, but most of those who call themselves Christian do not. Let us not judge this fellow too soon; he may indeed have seen something in a dream or a hallucination and been guided away from the straight path by it, especially if he did not learn about Islam properly while young. Pray that Allah guide him back to Islam. If you do speak to him about it, Anik, do so with kindness and remember that Allah swt is the only one who can open his heart to the message. wassalam |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| jannah |
| 04/26/01 at 11:25:43 |
| anik, it is very unusual for a real muslim to leave islam for anything. many of those stories and pamphlets and ppl like that have left islam for various reasons mostly because they don't have a strong knowledge of islam or support and have issues of mixing islam with other things, so when missionaries approach them they are vulnerable and don't know how to answer their questions and attacks. the best thing we can do as muslims is educate our fellow muslims and support them. if we do this, even if they paper the entire world with their missionary literature it won't mean a thing. [wlm] |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| Anik |
| 04/26/01 at 16:20:29 |
| asalaamu alaikum all, well, thanks for all who responded I know I can't really tell the guy what or why he thought he saw, pertaining to his angel (who, as i didn't mention, was a bald Indian man) i don't wanna judge his sanity or his honesty the one thing i realize this all comes down to is what i can do for him, you all are right, only Allah Almighty can open his heart, i just want to know how to respond to his main point: to the effect, he said "In Islam, ppl do things in this life an then on the Judgment Day they go in front of God and say, look t all the good things i've done, and try to buy into heaven. " I realized i was confusd there as well. I m asking, is it good for people to ask others to pray for the thanks o thei good deeds? I sthat kind of like, racking up points? I just wanna be clear so I cn respond to the likes of that guy. asalaamu alaikum. anik,. |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| jannah |
| 04/26/01 at 22:33:51 |
[quote] "In Islam, ppl do things in this life an then on the Judgment Day they go in front of God and say, look t all the good things i've done, and try to buy into heaven. " [/quote] This is a common missionary argument, if not *the* argument they always use. And every time I just don't get why they use this? That statement is basically true, that is what Islam is about!! We commit actions in this life and we are judged on them. If our good actions outweigh our bad actions we go to heaven, if not.. the other place. I theorize that they use this argument because of their own background mostly in Christianity -- which teaches that anyone who submits to Christ will enter heaven. So to them to have to actually do *good deeds* to get into heaven is probably a difficult thing to think of. You can pray for other people -- that Allah helps heal them, that their actions are accepted on the Day of Judgement, that Allah guides them to Islam or makes them better Muslims. You can teach others good things and every time they do that good thing you also will get reward for it. That is a good way to rack up points :) |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| Saleema |
| 04/26/01 at 22:48:18 |
| [slm] Let's say a Christian kills non-Christian for whatever reason. But since he believes in Christ and by simply believing that he died for everyone's sins he will go to heaven. Where's the justice? And what about the non-Christian? He will go to hell for not believing in Christ being a savior? Will God punish a killer who believed in Christ as his savior who supposedly died for *all* of his sins? people will say but a real Christian wouldn't do that. But then again a real Christian wouldn't lie either, not once. Not steal. Not committ adultery or fornication. But many people do that. So all these people aren't real Christian and they will not go to heaven? then very few people will go to heaven according to the Christian belief or theory. People from all religious backgrounds break rules and make mistakes but they repent to whatever and whoever they believe in. By breaking one rule that does not mean that one is not a Christian, humans being humans will break rules but that doesn't mean that they stop believing in their religion just because they broke several rules. They believe that Christianity is the only true path. So their concept about God being All-Just is contradicted by such things. Do you get what I'm trying to say? [wlm] Saleema |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| jehad |
| 04/27/01 at 04:14:32 |
| asalm walakum... I have never met a missionary who didn't lie, you need to remember that protestents believe that jesus died for their sins, so the lies and other sins don't even need repentence. I have often asked christions why they are christian, almost all the ones who don't say "cause my perants are" say a angle, jesus or god told me so. there is not much you can say to that, cause it either means he is a lyer or mad. |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| morning_mist |
| 04/27/01 at 08:26:57 |
| Assalaamu alaikum, This discussion reminded me of this Hadith Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise." (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet's companions) said, 'Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?' He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me." So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah." From what I understand, what makes our good deeds good is the fact that we do them to please Allah so that he may favour us with his mercy... its really not possible to boast and "buy" you way into Jennah. |
| Re: A guy who left Islam to become a Christian |
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| chachi |
| 04/30/01 at 17:37:13 |
errm maybe i'm like pointing this out for the millionth time but does ANYBODY read Al-Fiqh al Akbar?! I mean it's only 2 pages long. If you did you'd know that one of the principles of our belief as muslims is that paradise is granted for faith AND good works wasalaam ps ask the christian if he believes that breaking all the 10 commandments and believing jesus saves will get him into heaven and is so whats the purpose of the 10 commandments and if not isn't he relying on his good deeds? |
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