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| Barr |
| 04/27/01 at 06:40:43 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, everyone... I read Sr Jannah's thread about this escessive discussion abt hijab, whereas there are more pertinent issues that need to be discussed and act upon. Jazakillah, ukhti, I think U brought up a very good issue, alhamdulillah :) So, sisters (and yes... I know U brothers are reading this too)... let's answer to the call... yes, though hijab and domestic roles, are concerns, but let us also be balanced and acknowledge other issues that would effect us. Roles of women have changed and so are it's dynamics over the years. All of us know that more women, are studying and working, and hence, find themselves to be "out there" in society rather than decades ago, where she finds most of her time at home. If we are to look at the number of teachers teaching in Islamic Schools... they are usually women. If we are to look at the teachers who teach in ordinary schools... most of them are women. Plus, a lot more women are graduating from universities, hence, we see a shift of responsibilities, in the workplace (though it may be minute in some countries), but the fact is, more women are taking up high posts in organisations and companies. I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Singapore, Muslim women who are graduates exceed Muslim men. Currently, the proportion of undergraduate Muslim men and women are 2:3. Plus, there are also significantly more girls in madrasahs (S'pore), and girls also tend to do better academically in schools and universities (correct me if I'm wrong here, perhaps the situation may be a bit different for different parts of the world... and erm, I'm referring to Muslims), plus, look at social workers, counsellors etc.. most of them are women. Women who affect lives. Perhaps what we can, possibly think about is... what is the direction of Muslim women for the future.. and how would we want to the future to mould into. Definitely, we can't have the men to do all the thinking and all the action.. for it would certainly fall short. For this is about us. What do we want? with regards to our development, support system, leadership, future etc. Akhawat, the world is changing, who will help to mould our sisters who would be the educators of our children, to have the right worldview and insight that can either make or break the future. What would we like to see in the leadership of women... (and I'm not talking about ruling the world, here... thank you)... but being leaders in our own right, bearing in mind, as I've mentioned before the different roles that we play here, and being an active component of the society. What are the characteristics that we would like to mould these leaders to be? I hope I'm not being too far off, but I think, all of us should put our thinking caps on, think outside the box, and how do we want our society to be. Yes, though we would want to mould our children DIRECTLY, and that is our utmost priority, but the dynamics of Muslim women are changing. And referring to what Sr. Aisha Bewly said, empowering ourselves, would empower the society. Where do we begin? And where do we want to be? So sisters... lets share our dreams together, and turn it to reality! And brothers... please give us your support :-) and erm...I've not read Sr. Aisha Bewleys new book.. perhaps, there are sisters who can do a review on it? |
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| se7en |
| 04/27/01 at 14:17:43 |
wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatAllah, great post barr... I remember some advice my dad gave to some bro's who wanted to open a corner store... he said running convenience stores, gas stations etc is common among desi's because 'back home' that is what business was defined as... direct transaction, something simple, clear, and that is visible... but he said that this is really limiting and people need to start to look at how to be successful outside this narrow understanding of what it is to be economically successful... that's what I thought of when I read your post... I think that's kinda similar to what you mentioned about sisters teaching... that it's something a lot of sisters do because it is a direct and visible way of effecting and making successful the education of your children... but I think, like you said, that it is something limited and there are other more effective ways of doing that if only we think of em... I think one thing that really needs to be done is getting a solid curriculum established for Muslim schools. that'd take a lot of effort and research, networking with islamic schools and speaking with experienced ppl... also maybe a "muslim teacher training", that would help a Muslim teacher learn how to de-secularize the teaching style they've learned from college... critical assessment of what's been successful what has not and working on evolving programs and lessons to adapt to the needs of the next generation of kids whose needs are not at all similar to those that've gone before them.. all these things are similar to what needs to be done in muslim youth work.. Also, something really important.. I think we need to start breaking some of the restrictive perhaps cultural roles we've forced upon ourselves that have no place in Islam... we need male teachers.. especially in a time when good men are hard to find (:)) and with a lack of positive male role models in the majority of kids lives... I can almost *guarantee* that if a good brother taught at a public highschool there would be many students who would become Muslim... or at least learn more about Islam... and I think that in Islamic schools as well as weekend schools we need Muslims brothers, especially those that grew up here and can relate to the kids... so I gotta give props to br arsalan and "red" and saleema and jannah and sr sharifa and whoever else out there that breaks the stereotype that all islamic school teachers are frumpy aunties or uncles with accents... I don't think that's what you were looking for barr, just random thoughts.. inshaAllah someone else will have something brilliant to say :) wasalaam. |
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| Saleema |
| 04/27/01 at 14:47:52 |
| [slm] So guys, tell me what do you think about this decision about the saudi government? racist? Should they expand other fields in which women can work instead of kicking out non-Saudi women out of schools and replacing them with Saudi women? I know this is a news item but I felt it would be more appropriate if I posted it here since the discussion seems to be headed in this direction. ********************************************************** FRI APR 27 2001 11:04 A.M. G.M.T. Saudi aims to replace all foreign women teachers by 2004 RIYADH, April 27 (AFP) - Saudi Arabia, where jobs for local women are limited because of segregation, aims to replace all foreign women teachers at girls' state schools with its own nationals within three years, a newspaper reported Friday. By the end of the seventh five-year development plan in 2004, Saudi Arabia will have no foreign women teachers at public schools, said the education ministry's undersecretary for planning, Khaled bin Dhaish, quoted in Okaz. Saudi women teachers in girls' schools already vastly outnumber their female counterparts from abroad, by a margin of 200,000 against 6,000. Saudi Arabia applies a strict Sunni interpretation of Sharia law and the role of women has been largely limited to the home. Their job prospects are restricted mainly to the health and education sectors in the oil-rich kingdom. Copyright (c) 2001, AFP |
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| widad |
| 04/27/01 at 15:16:30 |
| slm barr: Although it has been hit on so much in a lot of forums,and it is true that we need to speak about other things,don't you think that if all these female teachers were wearing hijab,they would be a good role model for the kids they teach and at the same time will spare their male colleagues the discomfort of non-hijabies around them?? saleema,hi long time no see... About the saudi government's decision,I live in saudi and I think that this is the only way to ensure jobs for saudi nationals,and in any country I think that it is very important to ensure the livlihood of it's nationals first. About expanding other fields will also mean having women work in places where there will be men working with them and that is not really the solution. |
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| Saleema |
| 04/27/01 at 15:25:50 |
| About the saudi government's decision,I live in saudi and I think that this is the only way to ensure jobs for saudi nationals,and in any country I think that it is very important to ensure the livlihood of it's nationals first. It's not about nationality. It's about being a Muslim. Why does Arabia, the land where the Prophet (S) was born, has to belong to the Arabs only? I'm sorry but Saudi has so many discriminatory practices against muslims who aren't sauids or arabs! That's not very islamic. That's really pathetic. *Very* pathetic. Well i think that Saudi needs to accomodate the women, spend a little more money from those oil rich fields and everything can be done easily to suit to the women's needs. If they can have absurd laws that say that driving for women is haram then surley the can come up with things and rules that would keep men and women separated but would allow more freedom to hold jobs in other fields. [wlm] Saleema |
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| jannah |
| 04/27/01 at 22:46:16 |
| slm, agreed saleema, anyway that post isn't quite generating the kind of discussion i had hoped :( i just thought we could get away from the outer and concentrate on the inner for once. i guess as human beings it's just too difficult because all we see is the outer. but then last night i was thinking... why are all these sisters arguing about hijab...no one is saying anything about it.. we all know it is fard...the article is just talking about how there is more to being a muslim than that, we just want people to get past that 1 fard thing out of the billion other things that have to do with women... but then yesterday i realized... this is the sad state we are in as muslim women.. to reach a state of hijab is a pinnacle for us, that is why there is so much talk about it. maybe we will have to wait until all women have reached this elementary state before we can get beyond it? chilling thought b/c right now this concentration on women's dress is like a vicious circle that is just turning women away from islam so i don't know anyway just some random thoughts... so barr my dream for muslim women is that they become those active writers, scholars, teachers, doctors, mothers everything they can to their potential. that muslim women can network with each other and create the social services that we need like marriage counseling, women's shelters, food/clothing pantries, professional training. it just makes me sad to see where they are: marginalized, turned off from islam by those who claim to know it and unable to grow as people unless they turn to non-islamic forums. maybe i'm just bitter. maybe there's a place out there where muslim women are really free to be like that.. if so let me know i can always move :) |
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| Saleema |
| 04/27/01 at 22:51:13 |
| [slm] Jannah, I read the wonderful book of short stories by different Saudi women. I am going to type one inspirational story from there and maybe that will get the discussion going in the right way. Anyway, I will post more info about the book so that everyone can buy it! Guys, it's a good read. So it's not a "girl's book." (Can you believe some people put gender indentification on even books?) :) [wlm] Saleema |
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| Nazia |
| 04/28/01 at 00:15:15 |
| Assalamu Alaikum, Well, I haven't posted a *real* post in awhile...maybe it has something to do with the newly awarded "geek" title :) Actually, this is a topic very interesting for me, so get ready, you're about to step into the world of Nazia's random, convoluded and perhaps meaningless theoretical exploration... I'm not sure if this post will go along with sr. Barr's original post, (infact I know it won't...shh!) but I figure ultimately...its all related right? ;) Well, some of you may have picked up from my previous posts that I think American western society/mentality is an absolute load of crap. And I think often times we, as Muslims, who have either grown up here, or just learned to appreciate some of the benefits of American life, fall almost undetectably prey to this society's warped ideologies. For example, last weekend I was at a wedding talking to these two girls about college. Well, one of the sisters mentioned that at a collge in Georgia, the ex-Prime Minister of Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto, was invited to speak. Immediately my face transformed to this contorted look of disgust as I waited for her to complete the story. She went on to say how cool that was, that the Americans, who think Muslim women are so oppressed have never had a women President, whereas the Islamic republic of Pakistan has. Well naturally my first inclination was to yell out, "HELLO! She is not EXACTLY the kind of EXAMPLE of a Muslim woman we want to give!! If anything this would prove to the Americans why we don't need women in office!" (Not to mention that fact that Pakistan is an "Islamic" government and shouldn't exactly have women prime ministers in the first place) However, it just got me to thinking.... You know, even *we*, Muslims--women at that, think we're oppressed! We keep telling ourselves we're not, and we pull out strange examples of our freedom trying to convince the world of something that we ourselves are unsure of. And I think this is a real problem. We've bought into this western definition of "oppression" and think that things like "the right to vote", "right to hold office" are what define freedom. Islam gave us these rights from day one! I think that one of the main "freedoms" we as Muslim women are blessed with is the duty others have to respect and honor us. The fact that I could walk into the masjid to pray Isha and find that I am the only woman praying in the women's section behind four or five brothers and not *once* fear for my safety--this is freedom. Knowing that Jannah--the blessed paradise, will lie at my feet after I am a mother---this is freedom. Knowing that any pains I suffer due to my womanhood will be compensated many fold in the hereafter--this is freedom. Knowing that my husband has a DUTY to his CREATOR to care for and provide for me the best he can--is freedom. My children will be bound by the Quran to care for me when I become too old to care for myself--THIS is freedom. Islam is the most amazing, amazing religion and the only way we as Muslims will start looking at the "larger" picture, and establishing priorities is when we look at the notion of Islam separate of this funky society. Who cares what these people think "freedom" is?? What the *heck* do they know? Here in a society where women try to IMITATE the man under the umbrella of "feminism." Don't they realize that imitation is the highest form of flattery? Why do they sit here and try to do everything a man can do while there are so many things that ONLY women can do?? WHAT does it prove?? It baffles me, I swear, it baffles me. Alhamdulillah, Allah has given us a stature deserving respect and dignity. Subhan'Allah, Islam is so amazing I could cry. The question now becomes, how do we capitalize on this incredible freedom given to us? How do we *use* what Allah has given us to help foster the growth, spread, and understanding of Islam? We must show the world that we've heard their defintion of oppression, and we think its the biggest load of crap ever bounded by a definition. We know better, because we have the wisdom of the Quran, the teachings of the Prophet, and the utterly unconditional love of Allah on our side. We know that we don't have to build a house with our bare hands to prove our strength. We know that we don't have to walk around half naked, [i]begging[/i] to be noticed. We use the gifts of Allah and we can do so much. Sisters, Wallahi, we are so lucky. Every time we hug our children, say a nice word to our husband, care for our parents, or cook dinner for our family, it is considered a task fisabilillah (in the way of Allah). With all this said, what can we do? My answer: Everything. Ya Allah, please help us understand Your blessings, and give us the abiltity to use them in a way which will benefit us in this life and the hereafter. Ya Allah, help us love You and worship You as You deserved to be loved and worshipped. Ya Allah forgive us for our shortcomings and help us tackle any obstacle that comes between us and our worship of You. Ya Allah, You are the forgiver, so please forgive us. Ya Allah, You are the Giver, so please continue to give us your blessings. Ya Allah, you are the Knower, so please guide us towards that which is best for our life and our destiny. Ya Allah, You are the Answerer of all duas, so please accept these supplications. Ameen. Take Care, Wassalamu Alaikum, Nazia |
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| Arsalan |
| 04/28/01 at 01:23:51 |
| [slm] Barr, Nazia ... amazing posts!!! Nazia, you need to post more ... seriously! (i have exams too :)) I wish I had the time right now to write something in response to Barr's post, but alas! I am human, and I need sleep also :) Tomorrow ... err ... later today insha Allah. Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| Barr |
| 04/28/01 at 02:13:59 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, my sisters :-) MashaAllah! Jazakumullahu khairan for the responses.. I myself do not know where to begin, subhanallah! :) But before that, perhaps, I'd just like to share that it is not my intention for us to just continue on discussing, and be dreamy about things, but rather, I hope, this discussion, can spur us,ignite and motivate us to do more for the society. For us to think further than the obvious, and translate it to the real world. For us to be pro-active, rather than being reactive, or worse, passive! Akhawat, we have got to raise ourselves higher than what we think ourselves to be. [quote] to reach a state of hijab is a pinnacle for us, that is why there is so much talk about it. maybe we will have to wait until all women have reached this elementary state before we can get beyond it? [/quote] At first, I was quite hesitant to start this topic/thread, coz, I'm not sure... whether we are ready to think something that is beyond... say... hijab and marriage. And I share this concern with Sr. Jannah, as she has mentioned above. Coz, if we are still grapling, and grasping with such issues still, than, it would just tell of the state of Muslim women now. I'm not saying that those issues are not important but there is an urgency for us to think beyond that as the world is moving fast and it is not waiting for us. Muslims cannot be complacent in their own comfort zones, in our very own little shells, whereas the whole world out there is changing, and would have a DIRECT impact to each and everyone of us, and we would have to anticipate uts implications and ways to handle them. It is questioning again, about our MAIN role, ie. being the khalifatullah fil ard (vicegerent of Allah on EARTH). [quote] I don't think that's what you were looking for barr, just random thoughts.. inshaAllah someone else will have something brilliant to say [/quote] Ukhti Se7en (I like Ur name, btw! :)), jazakillah for the response. To me, it is not about how brilliant a response is, but that we have sisters who do ponder and think and share the same dreams, who wants to do work, mashaALlah. At the end of the day, ideas and our capabilities to conceive are from Allah, and it is through sharing these ideas, we hope to be able to do Allah's work, more effectively, inshaAllah :) I think a lot of things have been brought out... and I have many things to say which currently, I don't think I can do that right now (gotta go soon! :( ) I think all of us would agree that education is the primary key for us to move forward, and this can be divided to several sections. 1) Formal education eg. madrasahs, universities 2) Teachers 3) Personal Tarbiyah 4) Parenting (educating children) I feel that all of these are inter-related, and in response to Sr. Widad's comment... [quote] Although it has been hit on so much in a lot of forums,and it is true that we need to speak about other things,don't you think that if all these female teachers were wearing hijab,they would be a good role model for the kids they teach and at the same time will spare their male colleagues the discomfort of non-hijabies around them?? [/quote] That is why it is important for sisters to be clear right from the start about basic issues such as this and move forward. I think most of us would agree of the fard in hijab, and it's just that some of us would need more time than others to have it as a part if us. But all of that ties in to the kind of teacher that we want our children to be taught by. And the kind of minds that we want to mould to. This would again, tie in to the education that is currently being received by the children, teenagers and right up to adults in universities. And I know that we can't do this in a piece-ieal fashion.. but what are our efforts to help future teachers, who are mostly women (btw) to be equipped with these, for example? What are our contributions to the MSAs or ISocs (Islamic Societies (UK)), so that sisters would have this Islamic worldview and mindset to share it to others and in turn, help mould young minds? ... will continue later... I gotta go off now. Take care, dearests :) wassalam |
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| se7en |
| 04/29/01 at 01:17:49 |
| ok... nazia I wanna be like you when I grow up :P and barr, you definitely need to post more :) mashaAllah awesome posts :) |
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| Barr |
| 04/29/01 at 04:48:36 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, Alright... where were we? :) Yes, I am in agreement with what Sr Jannah, Se7en and Nazia and I feel that there is a need for a concerted effort (not piece-meals) to help mould our sisters to be those sisters who are clear with Islam, and her responsibilities. For example, in universities, we have a large pool of sisters who, perhaps, are going through a first time experience living out of home. Plus, their knowledge of Islam may not be ideal. Hence, university is the perfect place to help mould these intellectual and enquiring young minds. These women are going to be the future leaders, and as I have mentioned before, will be a part of policy making as well as influential figures of the society, and if university is just a place for lectures, library and loos *ahem*, then we have to get out of this circle. Sisters, must be represented in the MSAs/ ISocs, know what they want and need, and create activities for such vision. There must be opportunities for sisters to grow at a higher level... I mean, how many sisters are being given the opportunities to be developed into leaders? I mean, we have a dearth of women leaders, such that people have to resort to the agreement and be proud of Benazir Bhutto! That is outrageous, and seriously.. can be quite amusing! Sisters entering universities have got to recognise those roles and the responsibility on their backs. We are accountable to the knowledge and opportunities that ALlah gives to us, mashaALlah. I have a dream that we have and can shape sisters who are not only intelligent and do well academically in universities but also excel in their understanding of Islam, and apply it to society. That they have the confidence and the leadership skills... visionary and wise, open-minded, be relevant and effective to the real world and yet have a heart close to ALlah. will continue later... gotta buy dinner (mom's not cooking! :( ) I look forward for other's thoughts :) wassalam :-) |
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| eleanor |
| 04/29/01 at 13:36:39 |
[quote] At first, I was quite hesitant to start this topic/thread, coz, I'm not sure... whether we are ready to think something that is beyond... say... hijab and marriage. [/quote] slm This is why I was disappointed when there were three seperate threads going on about hijab, others about marriage, another saying "get the guys out of here.." To be honest with you when I first registered at this board that's all I was expecting. Which is why I was so *pleasantly* surprised to see that there are some seriously intelligent, independant, modern and forward-thinking Muslimah who contribute to this board and still living by the Sunnah. I was so excited to meet people like you who discuss everything from A to Z with lots of humour, kindness and encouragement thrown in. People revealing their most embarrassing moment.. I don't know who wrote the one about going on some sort of ride at a fun park when her hijab flew off..man I laughed at that.. Before I came here I had the stereotypical image of Muslimah meets downtrodden housewife. Sisters did you ever change my perception of you!! So much so that I wanted to become like you! There's a phrase in Irish : "Mná na hÉireann" which just means "Women of Ireland", but the feeling that it arises in Ireland at any sort of women's gathering is immense. I think it dates back to the times when Ireland was occupying itself with Emmancipation from England and how the women took an active role in this to the best of their capacities. There are some very admirable female historical figures in Ireland. And this phrase..it makes the blood pump in your heart and feel so so proud to be Irish. It's the best feeling in the world. Muslimahs, all over the world, need to *feel* this. They need to have it in their blood, to fight, strive and do their utmost for their religion. Get informed! Get united! Get Active! The potential is in every one of us. It just needs to be awoken. wasalaam eleanor |
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| Barr |
| 04/30/01 at 02:24:20 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, OK, sisters, I'm stealing time from work as it is... I'd love to reply to all of you... but I gotta get going.. and I'm afraid, I' won't be able to post till the weekend :( ... I'll be out of town.. but please keep the discussion going... take care dearies! leaving you in Allah's keep :-) P.S> Brotehrs, you're more than welcome to post some comments :) |
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| Barr |
| 05/05/01 at 10:15:12 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, [quote] how do we capitalize on this incredible freedom given to us? How do we *use* what Allah has given us to help foster the growth, spread, and understanding of Islam? [/quote] Agree, ukhti. I think, it is not enough for us to understand Islam and be good Muslims, and as mentioned before, be satisfied - or complacent, rather - in our 'lil comfort zones. What I find with sisters (or brothers) is that most of us feel that it is enough that we and our families are alright. But there is a lack of effort to generate people who can be agents of change. We seemed to be easily satisfied with our change within (individually). Plus, I feel that a lot of things are not co-ordinated and done in a piece meal fashion when wanting a change is concerned. What is worse is that we have been liberated, and given the freedom, to think, soar and excel, yet those assets are not fully utilised. Back to the topic of sisters, When I was at uni, we had a hard time mobilising sisters. Alhamdulillah, there are some sisters who are active, and would like to contribute, but due to the lack of tarbiyah (development, education, training etc), and when they are put in a position to handle an event, sometimes it didn't work as well. I'm not generalising, for I do know some sisters who are able to execute tasks very well. But most of the time, it is just about executing. It's about doing operational and technical jobs. If it's about arrangement for food - give it to the sisters. Hence the sisters that we are producing are operational workers. I hope I don't sound as if I'm discounting their work (astarghfirullah!)... it's just that the scope that is being given by sisters is related to what Sr Se7en said... about how limiting we think about what sisters can do, and hence only give things that we think is visible and direct, which can most probably churn out smt tangibly successful - via a 'safer' way for success. But the reality is, if we limit ourselves to that, than we are also limiting our tarbiyah as well. And looking at the current reality, we cannot afford to be like that. Opportunities to have vision, to think big, to think creatively, to manage and orientate people, networking, to lead ... well, I feel that there is a dearth for that. Back at uni, most ISocs would have a sister representative, or a sisters section. But what I'm wondering is that how far has the creation and function of the sisters section been fully utilised? How much autonomy are given to sisters? or perhaps, sisters are not competent enough to be given a more extensive area of autonomy. How many sisters have been produced in universities that can truly be agents of change when they leave universities? Adding on what Sr se7en said... metaphorically (or literally...) it is not just about producing people who are being spoonfed to teach. It's about producing people who know where they want to go and craft out a curriculum, relevant and effective to their own realities and pass those values on, producing more people with the same worldview and competencies. I think I'll stop here for now, inshaALlah. And continue on later. Meanwhile, I would appreciate comments, and inshaAllah, have this discussion enriched by all of your thoughts... for I wouldn't want to talk and walk alone. wassalam :-) |
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| jannah |
| 05/05/01 at 13:02:50 |
| [quote] Back at uni, most ISocs would have a sister representative, or a sisters section. But what I'm wondering is that how far has the creation and function of the sisters section been fully utilised? How much autonomy are given to sisters? or perhaps, sisters are not competent enough to be given a more extensive area of autonomy. How many sisters have been produced in universities that can truly be agents of change when they leave universities? [/quote] It's interesting you say that sister barr.. in the US we tend to have a dichotomy.. at places where the brothers are many and active the sisters get relegated to the back rooms and basments both figuratively and literally.. and then there are other places where brothers are not active and the sisters end up having to do *everything*. i don't think we've learned how to capitalize on both potential groups and learn how to work together as a team yet. |
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| Malika |
| 05/07/01 at 12:05:38 |
| [quote]slm, so barr my dream for muslim women is that they become those active writers, scholars, teachers, doctors, mothers everything they can to their potential. that muslim women can network with each other and create the social services that we need like marriage counseling, women's shelters, food/clothing pantries, professional training. it just makes me sad to see where they are: marginalized, turned off from islam by those who claim to know it and unable to grow as people unless they turn to non-islamic forums. maybe i'm just bitter. maybe there's a place out there where muslim women are really free to be like that.. if so let me know i can always move :)[/quote] These are also some of my thoughts on this subject. When we think of services we might need the 1st place or person that pops into our mind should be related directly to the Ummah. Hence, there is a large women population and we are in need of many sisters services. We must think past the outer image and concentrate on what needs to be accomplished by us for us. There should also be day care for the working sisters where you will know that Islam will still in the forefront of the learning process. OK I'm finish. |
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