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Names
nehar
04/27/01 at 08:21:34
[slm] do u think it is neccessary 2 have a muslim name?  If so can u give evidence. [wlm] Nehar

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Kathy
04/27/01 at 09:06:15
slm In regard to female names I do not know any muslim ones. There are however many Arabic names.

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Anik
04/27/01 at 09:25:57
A.A. not that I know of As long as your name doesn't mean anything against Allah or isn't in a pagan meaning then it's okay like my name is Anik (a Hindi, Arabic and appartently Inuit name) which has no meaning in Hindi but in Inuit means "friend" or "brotherhood" so it's alright. Your last name, I believe, can be kept becaus eit is your father's name. Please correct me if I am wrong anyojne, this is what i heard- I  don'thave any hardcore evidence besides the opinions of learne dmuslims around me. Allah forgive me if I make a mistake or say something wrong. A.A. anik,.

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Laboogie
04/27/01 at 11:06:46
Salaams,    Adding to what Anik, you do not have to change your name unless it means something or if it goes against Allah. For example, the name Gretchen, I believe it means witch (don't qoute me on that).  I had asked my Imam, if I should change it he said the above and if I wanted to, it was my choice.  I was thinking about changing my last name b/c let me tell you its not pretty the Albanyia's can testify to that(check my profile and dont laugh) but its the family name so Im going to stick with it BUT Im going to - it when I get married (when ever that happens).  But you see many converts who the first thing they do is change their name, with out even asking if they should and whats the purpose of changing your name. I know alot of Latin muslims who change their first name but not their last name b/c it identifies them as Latinos, and I think thats cool BUT my first and last name do not identify me as a Latina, people usually think Im white European. Salaams

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Rashid
04/27/01 at 18:09:48
[slm] True Sr. Laboogie, I intend to change my first name legally, cuz the one I have now doesn't mean anything, but I'll keep my latino last name.  Brothers have mentioned how on the day of judgment, we'll be called by our family names  and that's why it's undesirable to change it.  But, a lot of black brothers who've accepted Islam change their whole name, arguing that the family name they had before was a slave name.  Example: Imam Jamil Al-Amin, formerly H. Rap Brown.

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Anonymous
04/28/01 at 00:37:50
Assalam'alaykum, As Kathy mentioned, most converts change their name for an arabic one, not a "muslim" one.  I don't think Aminah, for example, sounds more muslim than Trisha or Emma, etc; it just sounds more arabic.  Islam doesn't ask of converts that they loose their identity when they become muslim.  Unfortunately, some people understand it otherwise and when they convert, they take an arabic name, dress like arabs, eat the food arabs eat, decorate their house arabic style, etc, etc.   I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about this. But as someone else mentioned, if your name means something that is disliked in islam, it is better to change it.  Now the question is: are you obliged to change it for an arabic name?  I guess it's a personal choice. Wassalam

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Laboogie
04/28/01 at 09:11:24
I have a question: what's the difference between a arabic name and a Islamic (Muslim) name? Is there a difference? [quote]But, a lot of black brothers who've accepted Islam change their whole name, arguing that the family name they had before was a slave name.  Example: Imam Jamil Al-Amin, formerly H. Rap Brown.[/quote]     I have to agree to that to a certain extent BUT my argument against that is, you need to research your name (your family history)what does your name mean?, what were the struggles that your family went through? What does your family name mean NOW? etc. (sorry my history major is coming out :) LONG LIVE HISTORY!!! ;-D

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muhannad
04/28/01 at 14:45:34
changing your first name especially if it is unislamic is good and was done by the prophet many times.  As for changing your family name (even if it goes back to your slave days) is not permissable even if it is paganistic.  This is because one of the things that the Shari'ah came to protect was your nasl (lineage) and a situation where people are changing names left right and centre will only lead to chaos. In short your name should tell people: who you are, who your father was and what family/tribe you belond to. e.g. Ali Muhammad Khan (ali the son of Muhammad from the family of Khan) On a further note, we should try and choose the best possible name (esp names of righteous muslims from the past, eg sahaba, prophets etc).  I know one brother who named his daughter "iqra" (which means read !).  Now this is ridiculous and is dhulm on the part of the parents.  I have noticed that this is very common amongst indo-paks.  Moreover, they also give names which imply lots of piety which the prophet dicouraged (e.g. Alimuddeen etc) ps this is why when a muslimah gets married she does NOT change her name, because she is only related to her husband through marraige and not blood.  Thus, the groom's brothers are not her mahram. eg Maryam Abbass Ismail remains the same after marraige to Ali Muhammad Khan 'cause if she changes it it now reads Maryam the daughter of Abbass Khan.  When her father is Abbass Ismail !?

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BrKhalid
04/28/01 at 18:08:24
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]ps this is why when a muslimah gets married she does NOT change her name, because she is only related to her husband through marraige and not blood.  Thus, the groom's brothers are not her mahram.[/quote] May be slightly going at a tangent here but the above led me to think of how many sisters would insist on keeping their names after marriage (since, as Br muhannad said, it is their right). And as a brother would you be okay with it? Can't help feeling though that old age cultural practices are once again involved here.

a name is a name..
princess
04/28/01 at 20:04:56
walikumas'salaam warahmatullah :) [quote]As long as your name doesn't mean anything against Allah or isn't in a pagan meaning then it's okay[/quote] i think it's just very logical..when prophet muhammad (saw) became muslim..he didn't change his name..:) when any of the other caliphs or sahabas became muslim, they didn't either..:) this doesn't mean u can't, or u shouldn't, just that u don't have to :) and yes, there were many names of the sahabas that prophet muhammad (saw), didn't like, (because of their meanings, or the effects it had on the sahabas) so he changed the name :) but like anik said, as long as it doesn't contridict islam, it's all good :) but it's best to name ur kids with good names :) (i.e., names that have a good meaning :)) later langur ;-D

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Zahra
04/29/01 at 00:24:06
[quote]I have a question: what's the difference between a arabic name and a Islamic (Muslim) name? Is there a difference?[/quote] LaBoogie, consider this-many Christian Arabs (male) have the name "Abdul Meseah" which means, "Slave of the Messiah"...obviously, this isn't a Muslim name but it *is* Arabic.  "Adam" is not a name which comes from the Arabic language-but it is a Muslim name because it is the name of one of our prophets, allayhoom salat wa salam ("Adam" is pronounced the same in English and Arabic).  Many Arabic names happen to be Muslim because the Prophet Mohammed, sallahoo alayhee wa salam, was Arab; his name, and his companions names were all Arabic names.   Thus, they are Muslim names.  Although "Aisha" and "Omar" simply mean "full of life", Arab christians do not use these names because they are names of companions of the Prophet.  Names like "Marwa" and "Safa" are Muslim names because they are related to Islam (the names of the two mountains Ibrahim's wife, Hajjar, ran between when seeking help).  On the other hand, names like "Fida" (means dew), "Farrah" (means happiness), and "Rady" (means satisfaction/pleasure)-these names are used by Christians and Muslims alike because they are names which have nice meanings and are not normally associated with any particular religion.

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Barr
04/29/01 at 03:02:15
Assalamu'alaikum, [quote] May be slightly going at a tangent here but the above led me to think of how many sisters would insist on keeping their names after marriage (since, as Br muhannad said, it is their right). [/quote] I'd keep my own name (I like the prefix Ms :)). But I wouldn't mind if someone is to call me Mrs. so & so (But I'll find it strange at first, I think)... [quote] And as a brother would you be okay with it? [/quote] I'm sure ALL Malay brothers wouldn't mind at all. And most of the English brothers that I know don't mind that either. I'm not so sure abt brothers from the Indo sub-continent. But I don't think that's an issue either... But maybe I'm wrong... what say U, O brothers? wallahua'lam

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eleanor
04/29/01 at 13:07:36
slm This is a very interesting topic! Alhum dulillah I'm learning a lot. It never occurred to me that a "Muslim name" was generally just an Arabic name. So of course if you see someone called Muhammad, then you automatically think "he's a Muslim" but he could just come from a Muslim country. I'm pleased you don't *have* to change your name if you revert. This had been bothering me, since I'm happy with the name I have. I was the only one of four children whom my Dad chose the name for. I think I'm dumping on my parents enough by rejecting their faith without having to reject the name they carefully thought out and chose for me. As for the surname. That's not such a big deal because in my culture/society, or whatever you want to call it, it's perfectly normal that the wife takes the husband's name. Mind you my sister didn't take her husband's name which was fair enough. Her argument was that she was still the same person after she got married. Sometimes people inadvertently write letters to her addressed as Mrs Lynam. (her husbands name.) This doesn't bother her, nor does Mrs J. Lynam etc but what *really* gets her is when people send cards/invitations addressed to Mr and Mrs Mark Lynam. This *kills* her. She says it's like she's lost her identity and is now just "Mark's wife" instead of being her own person. Personally I can't see the big deal. I'm proud to be my husband's wife. (although once we got an invitation addressed to "Mr. Yousuf and Wife". *That* annoyed me for some reason..) Oh what a mixed up and pointless post!! But I'm going to post it anyway just so you all read it and go "now what was *that* about" . wasalaam eleanor ps: as a matter of interest: do any other sisters already have names picked for their unborn and as yet unconceived children? ;)

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jannah
04/29/01 at 14:28:55
jannah:) and jihad i like zaid and zahid and rumanaa and umer and ayah ......

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Laboogie
04/29/01 at 14:44:09
Let me find out Jannah...uhm...? For a girl I like Nusaybah, especially after learning about her history in Br. Mokhtar's class :)

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se7en
04/29/01 at 15:31:27
[quote]May be slightly going at a tangent here but the above led me to think of how many sisters would insist on keeping their names after marriage (since, as Br muhannad said, it is their right). [/quote] Heck yeah!  Unless there's a specific reason otherwise. Names for kids: my first son: Mokhtar Hamza Siraj Abdullah Djaffar Jamil Haroon Zaid Abdul-Hakeem Jackson ;) side question: what does Junayd mean? my name means singer in arabic :(

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Anik
04/29/01 at 17:49:02
asalaamu alaikum which names in Islam are the most favoured and looked upon by Allah (SWT) most favourably? a.a. anik,.

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Zahra
04/29/01 at 19:18:14
slm Eleanor, I hope I did not confuse you with my earlier post.  If someone is named Mohammed, it is safe to assume that he is Muslim or is at least from a Muslim family.  Arab Christians do not use the name Mohammed or for that matter, names like Ahmed and Mohmood which have the same meaning as Mohammed.  What I was trying to say is that Christian and Muslim Arabs only use similar names when those names are not attached to any particular religion-like Farrah.  Farrah means happiness-it has a nice meaning and it's not Christian or Muslim, really. Anik-I read a hadith once in Abu Dawud that people should name their children after prophets or Abd something.  And the best Abd names are Abdul Rahman and Abdul Raheem.  I know a sister who named one of her daughters AmatulRahman and AmatulRaheem which is the feminine form.  There are some instances in the seerah where the prophet, sallahoo alayhe wa salam, changed names of people when they became Muslim.  Anyone have them handy?  They'd be interesting to look at at this point... Se7en-your name is mooghanaya?  That's all I can think of as a word for "singer"  but I think I must be missing something because I've never heard that used as a name before.

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Mona
04/29/01 at 19:51:27
Assalamu alaikum, Se7en, your name can also mean fragrant - if you pronounce it with 'thal' instead of 'dal'.  Even if it is pronounced with a 'dal', it means someone with a nice voice.  The verb base of your name (shada, yashdoo) is the term used for chirping, as in bird chirping .. nothing to be sad about :) As for kids names, I like Zain, Bayan, Maram and Dalia for girls. For boys..hmm, I haven't thought much about it. I'm partial to little girls, they are by far cuter!

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Laboogie
04/30/01 at 00:50:08
Oh, I forgot, thats for the reminder se7en and to think we discussed this not to long ago. For my boys, Mokhtar,and/or Siraj , Huthaifah...for now

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BrKhalid
04/30/01 at 04:43:48
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]For boys..hmm, I haven't thought much about it. I'm partial to little girls, they are by far cuter! [/quote] No comment! Personally though if Allah [swt] blessed me with children I'd want to choose name which they would be proud of and not ashamed of. I see too many Muslims changing or shortening their name at school or work to help them "fit in".

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nehar
04/30/01 at 05:02:01
[slm] is nehar a gurls or boys name? [wlm] sister nehar

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Kathy
04/30/01 at 07:42:25
slm [quote] "Adam" is not a name which comes from the Arabic language-but it is a Muslim name because it is the name of one of our prophets, allayhoom salat wa salam [/quote] The Christians consider Adam to be a Christian name, as well as the Jews consider Adam as a Jewish name. In America- if one hears the name Adam- you would not recognise his name as being Muslim. If I were to have more kids- Akram and Jannah, Insha Allah Ripley's beleive it or not- When naming my son- my husband went thru a book of 563 Arab/Muslim names and only agreed on two.

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chachi
04/30/01 at 18:52:59
Well my names pretty cool it means Solitary Warrior Chief or Unique Warrior Chief... many pathans have names like that most of my ancestors were called stuff like Brave hawk warrior and Lion heart warrior etc... anyway 'nuff respect to the familia for choosing such a cool name..mind you i was born on the day my father killed a wolf from a pack that attacked our village so it could have been Wolf warrior heh heh heh

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Saleema
04/30/01 at 18:59:31
[slm] I know someone who's named Sumandar Khan (Ocean Khan) Why do pathans give their children weird names??? Guess how we got our name? Mashwani means ink or ink pot. (or something like that) So one of my ancestors was writing poetry when the midwife came in and told him that Allah had given him a son. He was in a weird mood i guess and so he named his son Mashwani. Poor Mashwani. What a name. I guess all the other pathan kids have weird names too so it doesn't matter.  :) The girls get beautiful names though. Like me.  :) hehe.. [wlm] Saleema

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chachi
04/30/01 at 19:06:10
I think the was a article in the Times a while ago on the advisability of using Mr and Mrs x Personally i would rather women used their own surnames but thats because amongst pathans descent is patrilineal and the wife does not change tribes upon marriage

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Zahra
04/30/01 at 22:00:52
[quote]The Christians consider Adam to be a Christian name, as well as the Jews consider Adam as a Jewish name. In America- if one hears the name Adam- you would not recognise his name as being Muslim.[/quote] yeah, but to Muslims, Adam is a Muslim name.  and if one came across someone with the name Adam in America he *could* be Muslim, Christian, or Jewish. This name is different because Adam is pronounced the same in English and Arabic unlike, for example, Jibreel.  Christians and Jews would pronounce it Gabriel thus making the religion of that person distinct.

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destined
05/01/01 at 00:19:36
[slm] [quote]side question: what does Junayd mean?[/quote] Junaid, Junayd: Young fighter, warrior I got a lot of boy names (heh, maybe i'm partial) Boys Hamzah - Lion, name of the Prophet's [saw] uncle Isma'il -  Prophet's name Naeem - Comfort, ease, tranquility Umar - Name of the second Khalifa Yusuf - Prophet's name Yasser - ease Zain, Zayn - Beauty       Girls Amirah, Ameera - Princess, leader       Aneesa  - friendly; of good company       Yusra - ease Maryam

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jannah
05/01/01 at 00:31:20
[slm], Anyone know what Imran means? I assigned the kids in my class to find out what their names meant, why their parents named them that, and how they were going to fulfill their names in their lifetime. I'm hoping this helps them to be proud of their Muslim names and the good meanings behind them. I'm also hoping parents name their kids with good names  inshaAllah :) So this poor one kid couldn't find out...

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Arsalan
05/01/01 at 01:10:41
[slm] Imran was the name of the father of Musa (pbuh).  That, in itself, is good enough!   Some names are chosen not because of their meaning, but because of some Islamic figure sho possessed this name.  An example is Asmaa'.  The word literally means "names."  Not all that exciting right?  But consider that Asmaa' was the name of Abu Bakr's daughter, a great sahaabiyah, the sister of Aishah, and the name becomes a great name all of a sudden :) Same thing with "Imran." P.S. In my dictionary, Imran literally means "settlement, or civilization." Wassalamu alaikum.

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Arsalan
05/01/01 at 01:12:31
oh and also the fact that this name appears in the Qur'an (repeatedly) adds to its respectability.

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haaris
05/01/01 at 05:38:52
Salaam My current faves are: Boy: Haleem Girl: Sakinah [quote]I'm hoping this helps them to be proud of their Muslim names and the good meanings behind them. I'm also hoping parents name their kids with good names  inshaAllah [/quote] Top idea Jannah!

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shadow493
05/01/01 at 09:18:42
adam's gotta be the best name :)

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jannah
05/01/01 at 09:25:44
cool arsalan jazakallah khair, u got one happy 10 year old! :)

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bhaloo
05/01/01 at 09:41:29
slm I remember reading that Muhammad was the most popular name in the world (i.e. of all the names that everyone is named, Muhammad was #1).

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Anik
05/01/01 at 10:52:05
A.A. yeah and Ali was like number 2. A.A.anik

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Zara
05/01/01 at 11:13:34
[slm] :-) [quote] br.muhannadchanging your first name especially if it is unislamic is good and was done by the prophet many times.  As for changing your family name (even if it goes back to your slave days) is not permissable even if it is paganistic.  This is because one of the things that the Shari'ah came to protect was your nasl (lineage) and a situation where people are changing names left right and centre will only lead to chaos. In short your name should tell people: who you are, who your father was and what family/tribe you belond to. e.g. Ali Muhammad Khan (ali the son of Muhammad from the family of Khan) On a further note, we should try and choose the best possible name (esp names of righteous muslims from the past, eg sahaba, prophets etc).  I know one brother who named his daughter "iqra" (which means read !).  Now this is ridiculous and is dhulm on the part of the parents.  I have noticed that this is very common amongst indo-paks.  Moreover, they also give names which imply lots of piety which the prophet dicouraged (e.g. Alimuddeen etc) ps this is why when a muslimah gets married she does NOT change her name, because she is only related to her husband through marraige and not blood.  Thus, the groom's brothers are not her mahram. eg Maryam Abbass Ismail remains the same after marraige to Ali Muhammad Khan 'cause if she changes it it now reads Maryam the daughter of Abbass Khan.  When her father is Abbass Ismail !? [/quote] What if your name does not reflect your lineage or the name of your father....??? For example Zaib-un-Nisa, it is just kept as a name for a daughter because it goes well and the sister does not have a surname...It's simply Zaib-un-Nisa [wlm] Zara

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muhannad
05/01/01 at 13:02:15
[quote] What if your name does not reflect your lineage or the name of your father.... For example Zaib-un-Nisa, it is just kept as a name for a daughter because it goes well and the sister does not have a surname...It's simply Zaib-un-Nisa [/quote] interesting you mentioned that because I know a brother (Afghani) who didn't have a family name.  After much searching he adopted his paternal uncles family name.  I think by asking around and doing some research one can always locate their ancestors ps I am not too keen on names like fakhr an-nisa because again it is a type of immodesty which the prophet discouraged (he changed names like birrah (righteous), so then how about names which assume much more !! Allah a'lam

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chachi
05/01/01 at 17:33:40
Sumandar possibly because he hoped that his son would be a sailor Pathans after spending the first 6,000 years of our history being soldiers decided in the last 100 years that they also liked fighting on the waves...*lol* enter my pater The inkpot or ink could because he wanted his son to be a scholar or a poet

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Saleema
05/01/01 at 22:25:16
[slm] Well I guess our family name reflects it's meaning in at least some of us. My dad writes poetry and so do I. So do some other people amongst our relatives. [wlm] Saleema

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Anonymous
05/02/01 at 13:45:23
If its twins: a boy and girl How about:- Hawaa and Adam?

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eleanor
05/02/01 at 13:59:31
slm okay, it's time for me to answer my own question now.. boy: Jamil girl: Tahira boy #2: Adam I'm glad you explained about the name Adam because I always liked it but wasn't sure if it was a "Muslim" name or not since I never heard of a Muslim called Adam. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to consult my husband on child names when the occasion arises.. ..but I'm pretty stubborn. He can choose the second names. wasalaam eleanor

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kiwi25
05/02/01 at 14:20:26
salam, going back a little, i wouldnt change my last name, some people think that a woman shouldnt change her last name to her husbands causa it shows ownership to him than her father, but anyway inshallah if i have a girl i want her name to be jannah (hey jannah we're still on the race hehe?) and for a boy i think yusuf or ismail, those are pretty wasalam nouha:)
NS

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Arsalan
05/02/01 at 18:03:11
[slm] Are you guys serious about naming a girl "Jannah"? I have never heard someone with that name before.  For some reason, I have an odd feeling about naming a person with that name.  Jannah is something very special, something that has *nothing* in resemblance to it.  It's part of our Faith, part of al-Ghayb.  To name a person something like that ... I don't know.  Does anyone understand what I'm saying???

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bhaloo
05/02/01 at 19:12:36
slm There is an egyptian girl i know and she named her daugther Jannah.

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Mona
05/02/01 at 19:16:35
Assalamu alaikum, [quote]I have never heard someone with that name before..[/quote] Niether did I. However, Firdous, is a somewhat common female name which means the same. Along the same lines, Kawthar is another common female name, and I've heard of Rayyan as a boy's name.  Not sure if it is right to choose them as names for people though. [Aside, Kawthar is the name of a river in Jannah, and Rayyan is the gate in Jannah through which muslims who fast during Ramadan enter.] But Jannah, humm...in Arabic it is written the same way as Jinnah. (as in 'mina al-jinnati wa annas' surah An-Nass), so it might be pronouced wrongly and this can be why it is so unheard of, maybe :/ Someone has mentioned the name 'Nusaybah'.  What does it mean?

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momineqbal
05/02/01 at 20:00:14
[slm], One of my cousin sister's name is Jannat (well thats the urdu version of it!).

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se7en
05/02/01 at 21:49:27
[quote]Junaid, Junayd: Young fighter, warrior [/quote] cool destined, gotta add that one to my list ;) [quote]If its twins: a boy and girl How about:- Hawaa and Adam? [/quote]They were husband and wife!  I knew a sister names marwa, I told her she needed to find a bro named safa :P [quote]Someone has mentioned the name 'Nusaybah'.  What does it mean? [/quote]I don't know what it means linguistically, but Nusaybah was a famous sahabia: "Nusayba Umm Imarah was one of the ten people that composed the human shield which protected the Prophet [saw] during the Battle of Uhud.  In her sincere devotion to protect the Prophet [saw], she did not even see that her very son lay wounded near her.  The Prophet [saw] saw him and said to her, 'Bandage your wounded.'  And so she did.  But being that she was so eager to defeat the enemy, as soon as she bandaged her son, she told him, 'Rise and fight the enemy."* She, her sister, her husband, and her two sons (Abdullah and Habeeb) all participated in combative jihad against the mushriks. She was also (I think) one of the two women who gave their baya' to Rasulullah [saw] at the Second Pledge of 'Aqaba. Laboogie good choice :) * - from the Memory of Hands by Reshma Baig

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Fatoosh
05/02/01 at 22:41:16
Assalaamu Alaikum [quote] Junaid, Junayd: Young fighter, warrior [/quote] Cool, I never knew that.  My uncle was named Junaid, he was shahid in Afghanistan. Subhanallah. [quote]They were husband and wife!  I knew a sister names marwa, I told her she needed to find a bro named safa :P[/quote] I always thought Safa was a girl's name. My principle in highschool was named Safa- he's the only male I know whose named that; all the rest are girls.  All the kids made fun of him, still do.  His story was that his grandfather loved the name so much, that he didn't care that his first grandchild was a boy, and named him Safa anyway. -Fatoosh

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Adi28
05/02/01 at 22:46:06
Salaam  Yeah their are alot of good names on this board  and yes i have heard of the name Jannah i think its cool and unique to name some one jannah and you can't get many unique names some body always has your name or something. But my favorite names are; for a girl: Lina,ameerah,imaani(thats swahilli for Iman)and noura(cause i like the idea of calling my future light and its cute :) ) for a boy: Karim (but im kinda partial for that name because both my brother and father are named karim) and i like Ansar ok thats my list now i nobody og taking my names Salaam     Adi

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eleanor
05/03/01 at 10:45:49
slm Funnily enough the name Jannah is very popular here in Germany among Christian people. It's spelled Jana and is pronounced Yana. There's also a german name Katja (Katya) which (I think) is derived from Khatijah. Also I know a Bosnian woman who has a little girl called Jannah only they spell it Xana. I don't see why you can't call someone Jannah. It's a beautiful name and should be used. Better than calling someone Jahannam. (just joking). wasalaam eleanor ps I love the name Yousuf too, only it's my hubby's family name so our kids will be called that anyway Insha Allah.

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jannah
05/03/01 at 15:52:11
[wlm] many people get upset when they see this name or nickname. they say 'why are you calling yourself paradise, that's not right etc...' i like the nickname because it reminds me of where i want to go, it's meaning is garden, it does not mean the person IS that or that they're talking about THE GARDEN. then again there are ppl who dislike the front page of jannah.org. "why are you depicting paradise, that's not paradise!!" like duh... it's a design.. where does it say it's paradise??

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BroHanif
05/03/01 at 17:33:06
A.W.W. I think the best name is Mohammed (name him after Mohammed sls) Other names: Abu Bakr Umar Uthman Ali Khalid (After Khalid bin walid) Saif-Ul-Islam(Sword of Islam, I think this name rocks, especially in todays day and time) Jehad Salahudin Talha Junaid If its a girl Khadijah Fatimah Zainab Ayesha Hafsa

Re: Names
chachi
05/03/01 at 19:27:54
Khair-udin -nickname would be blackbeard! names to avoid Allah-ditta, Allah-rakha, and most of all Allah-wasaia people who've seen Mustafa Qureishi in Punjabi films will know why. Bak na waaay Jageerdara! *lol* i think south asian saints names are cool though..even tho they're nicknames

Re: Names
Arsalan
05/03/01 at 19:33:01
[slm] Aite, I guess I'll jump on the wagon too! Some of my favorite names: Girls Shaaista Shagufta Aa'isha Tazkia Amal (with an alif, not ayn) Maryam Boys Hamza (I'm also known as Abu Hamza) Umar Abdullah Daanish Hakeem Ali and, of course ... [i]Arsalan[/i] ;)

Re: Names
jannah
05/03/01 at 20:40:57
[quote] Shagufta Daanish [/quote] mad desi names! :)

Re: Names
Asim
05/03/01 at 22:54:46
Assalaamu alaikum, I feel the best names are those from the Muslims of the earliest generations. The name also should be easy to say and pronounce. Non-Muslims literally slaughter some names! My favorite list of names changes from time to time. Right now...hmm.. For girls: Maryam Amnah Raziya For boys: Abid Umar Umayr (this will be hard to pronounce!) Asim ;) Wasalaam.

Re: Names
Nazia
05/04/01 at 02:10:28
slm, For some reason, I have sooo many boy names that I *love* but not too many girl names. Boys: Yusuf Bilal Qasim Umair Kashif Ilyas Girls: Aman Take Care, Wassalam, Nazia

my favorites..
princess
05/04/01 at 10:41:05
as'salaamualikum :) [quote]Arsalan ;)[/quote] hahaahh..that's also 1 of my favorites :) boys ba'sil ehsan khalil girls mala'ika nur ilhaam that's just some..i can't remember the others :) later langur ;-D

Re: Names
Anik
05/04/01 at 14:38:59
asalaamu alaikum, so it's a long list of names now eh? well let me drop a few in there: Adil Saquib Muneeb Imran Abdullah (that's my favourite one) Sadiya Rabiya Sobia Kadijha asalaamu alikum. anik,.

Re: Names
Rashid
05/04/01 at 16:16:12
[slm] Ok my turn now: Boys: Nasir Khalil Ibrahim Umar Isaam Karim Girls: Asmahan Jamilah Aisha Layla Zaynab Yasmeen

Re: Names
muhannad
05/04/01 at 16:40:35
for a good list of muslim male and female names refer to the Muslim Directory (Brits).  The translator  (from Eden books) has also added notes next to names used by non-arabs incorrectly.

Re: Names
chachi
05/06/01 at 14:30:58
hmm Her Majesty's name is arabic Elizabeth is really Al-zabath in arabic

Re: Names
Barr
05/06/01 at 21:01:18
Assalamu'alaikum :-) [quote] hmm Her Majesty's name is arabic Elizabeth is really Al-zabath in arabic [/quote] Is that for real? :) And have U heard? Shakesphere is actually an Arabic name ===> Sheikh Sfir  ;) That's a joke, btw - from this Arab brother who likes to Arabasize English names :)

Re: Names
nehar
05/06/01 at 23:45:27
[slm] how about safa and marwa 4 twin gurls??? [wlm] nehar

Re: Names
chachi
05/07/01 at 17:42:28
Barr yes it's for real and it's Sheikh Pir.. Boyo!

Re: Names
Barr
05/08/01 at 09:22:13
Assalamu'alaikum... :) There's a "P" is Arab phonetics? Boyo? Me no understand Boyo... ???

Re: Names
chachi
05/09/01 at 17:29:44
Barr welsh speak.. and no sheikh pir was from Industan! i guess arabic having no p and a 'th' for the 's' sound makes all  arabs 'thathe' (lispers) to us south asians *lol*  south asians pronounce thawab as sawab  friends nearly cracked up when they went on haj and tried to get  the arabs to say pepsi ...bebsi ..you want bebsi did you know that all the names of japanese cars are unpronounceable in japanese?...

Re: Names
Mona
05/09/01 at 17:34:50
would you stop it with the arab bashing y'all!!!! fyi, people of jannah will speak arabic and not their native tongues. it is the best language on earth ever, got that? sorry, feeling bit vulnerable now and can't find the humour in those 'arabs - aka idiots' jokes any more.

Re: Names
jannah
05/09/01 at 17:38:16
[quote]would you stop it with the arab bashing y'all!!!! fyi, people of jannah will speak arabic and not their native tongues. it is the best language on earth ever, got that? sorry, feeling bit vulnerable now and can't find the humour in those 'arabs - aka idiots' jokes any more.[/quote] mona where is the arab-bashing i didn't see that??

Re: Names
chachi
05/09/01 at 18:43:30
Ok ..ok we give you arabs a turn tell me a joke about south asians.. used to know this brother from gambia and he always used to come up with some corkers about us south asians..*s*

Re: Names
Mona
05/09/01 at 23:13:37
jannah, blease read the brevious couble of bosts and you'll get my drift.

Re: Names
jannah
05/09/01 at 23:25:47
hmm then naming something as the bebzi stand must be arab bashing too eh? i don't think br chachi had any ill will...it was a joke i think...in fact if u think he's arab-bashing he must also be south asians-bashing as he talked about their 'sawab' and maybe even japanese bashing as he talked about them as well!

Re: Names
Mona
05/09/01 at 23:56:13
assalamu alaikum, nice sarcasm! really, this is just what we need right now!! on a serious note, i am not a fan of making fun of anyone and yes i don't like it when jokes are made about how other nationalities speak/eat/dress/whatever.  i know it is a joke and i was trying to say that it is a bit annoying. please give it a rest will you?   wassalam

Re: Names
Nazia
05/10/01 at 03:05:30
[quote]nice sarcasm! really, this is just what we need right now!! [/quote] Who can find the irony in that statement?  :) Actually, Sr. Mona, I am sure that none of us take pleasure in making fun of other ethnicities, but who knows, maybe some people find it interesting to compare the grammatics and pronunciations of other languages in comparison to what we each individually consider the norm. (As seemed to be the discussion in the previous posts)  So while you may perceive it as offensive, it was clearly not directed at you, nor was offense/ridicule the goal of the posters, simply some observations.  Many posts that are not directed towards me or people of my race/ethnicity may still offend me, even if the actual content is not offensive by nature.  That doesn't necessarily mean I should consider my claim valid--it simply means I should stop reading the thread. Because once again just because I'm offended by something does not warrant me the right to suggest that others are purposefully insulting me or "ma peeps" ;).  You know, we all know that this is one drawback of the web.  Clearly intentions cannot be asserted from posts, and often times miscommunications occur.  I think--especially in an environment like this--we need to give our brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt and know that Insha'Allah, they meant well :) Besides, we'd all be stupid to think that Arabic was anything BUT absolutely beautiful and utterly rich. :) At the end of the day, we all still worship Allah (SWT) and seek His guidance and mercy.  I think this is reason enough to pick our battles carefully.  :) <not to imply that you were battling> Take Care, Wassalamu Alaikum, Nazia

Re: Names
chachi
05/10/01 at 20:11:06
Hey chill out Mona have a Bebzi.. None of that stuff is meant with any chilli ok? so don't get heartburn hmm never had such a strong reaction before but then i never take stuff other muslims say about pathans           seriously Not like i'm a serb or anything Mona!

Re: Names
se7en
05/31/01 at 15:40:23
[quote]asalaamu alaikum which names in Islam are the most favoured and looked upon by Allah (SWT) most favourably? a.a. anik,.[/quote] wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatAllah, I came across this hadeeth: Abdullah ibn Umar ra narrated that the Prophet [saw] said (what means): "Of all names, Allah likes Abdullah and Abdur-Rahman best." Related by Muslim. Abdullah - servant of Allah AbdurRahman - servant of the Most Merciful wasalaamu alaykum :)

Re: Names
jannah
05/31/01 at 16:07:13
Since this is over 5 pages now, we can continue this topic in a new thread InshaAllah.
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