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| pakiprncess |
| 05/08/01 at 19:23:49 |
| asalaam alaikum sisters ;) i need help! thats right, fashion help...the other day, i was at the mall and the girl behind the clinique counter was wearing the cutest outfit: a white mens shirt, a black miniskirt, and black pants. i was reminded of 2 years ago, when i went to london, and the latest fashion was to pair up miniskirts and pants. this worked especially well for me cuz i cant wear a miniskirt (DUH) without wearing pants underneath, so i adopted the outfit for a good 10 months. but then the fashion changed and the trend was dropped for mini-miniskirts (yes, summertime is here and respectable juniors clothing becomes more and more scarce)... anyways, my major dilemma is: is the pant-skirt thing back in fashion? or was that girl as hopeless as me when it comes to clothing and had simply made a faux pass? lemme know what you think! ps...i already bought a new skirt to go with my pants, but my mom laughed at me the other day...apparently, ive always had a thing for pairing up the two, cuz she has pictures of me at 5 & 6, in an obnoxiously loud polka dot skirt with striped tights....once a fashion freak, always a fashion freak, i guess ;) |
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| Jenna |
| 05/09/01 at 05:27:17 |
| Yusuf Ali: O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient that they should be known (as such) and not molested: and Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. Pickthall: O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, that so they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. As salaamu alaikum.... We as Muslim Women are not allowed to wear pants and shirts...Subhan'Allah I really hate to be the pebble in your shoe........ :( Jenna :) |
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| se7en |
| 05/09/01 at 07:06:11 |
as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah, [quote]We as Muslim Women are not allowed to wear pants and shirts...[/quote] I think the majority of scholars agree that a woman can wear anything, including pants, if it fulfills the requirements of hijab.* pakiprncess I don't know what the style is in cali but I've def never seen that before with mini skirts.... one of my friends here wears these long skirts that have slits to midthigh with jeans underneath... that looks pretty hot.. :) * the requirements being that the material is not transparent, that the clothes are not tight enough to reveal your figure, they're not extremely bright as to cause unwanted attention, and they're not in imitation of the clothing of men. Most scholars say that hijab means to cover everything but the hands, face, and some say feet. :-) |
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| jannah |
| 05/09/01 at 12:37:05 |
| we're usually a few months behind nyc, which really isn't bad cuz nyc is like 6 months ahead of anywhere else! so the miniskirts with pants was in like a year ago i havent seen it much since.. sorry.. :) but if it still looks cool i say go for it!!! |
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| pakiprncess |
| 05/09/01 at 18:54:28 |
| asalaam alaikum sisters - [quote]We as Muslim Women are not allowed to wear pants and shirts[/quote] GASP! where did you hear that, sister jenna? i was thinking along the lines of se7ens comment: as long as it isnt too tight, bright, short, or see-through, its good to go. sister jannah ;) its not like me to look cool (lolz) im going to try the jeans + skirt thing that se7en suggested, tho; that sounds neat. thanks guys...i mean gals ;) wasalaam :) |
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| nehar |
| 05/09/01 at 18:55:46 |
| [slm] i luv ma shalwaar kameez [wlm] nehar |
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| Jenna |
| 05/09/01 at 19:32:20 |
| Yusuf Ali: And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty ~~~~~~~Surah (24 ayah 31). Pickthall: And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment ~~~~~~~~Surah 24 ayah 31). Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba Ayesha used to say When the verse (Surah 24 ayah 31) was revealed The Women cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their heads and faces with those pieces of cloth. (Bukhari) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Reported by Abu Dawood, 4/314). Jenna |
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| Laboogie |
| 05/09/01 at 20:40:09 |
| [slm] [quote]is the pant-skirt thing back in fashion? [/quote] My thing is, girl if it looks good on you and u can rock it well, then go for it !!! U need to make up or own style and trust me people will follow u... ***watch me start sporting that style, but now i have to buy the pieces and do i have the money for that?uhmmmmmm...i think nots |
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| Mahmoodah |
| 05/10/01 at 15:06:15 |
| salam i thought that as long as u dont reveal ur figure, then its ok to wear ne thing. well thats wat i heard, but i also thaought that ur not allowed to wear mens wear!! wa-salam |
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| Saleema |
| 05/10/01 at 15:20:09 |
| The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Reported by Abu Dawood, 4/314). You are taking this out of context. [wlm] Saleema |
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| Jenna |
| 05/10/01 at 16:51:21 |
| Assalamu Alaikum....... How can I take that out of context?? If the Prophet (saw) was told on how we women should dress.... ___________________________________________________________________________________Yusuf Ali: O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient that they should be known (as such) and not molested: and Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. Question: Being a Muslim Woman,how must they wear their attire to say that she is a muslim woman. Answer: Praise be to Allaah. The scholars have based the conditions of the hijaab (covering) which Muslim women must wear in front of non-mahram men on the evidence in the Qur’aan and Sunnah. So long as a woman adheres to these conditions, she may wear whatever she likes in public places and elsewhere, and her hijaab will be considered Islamic. These conditions may be summarized as follows: The hijaab must cover her entire body It should be thick enough to conceal what is underneath it It should be loose-fitting, not tight It should not be so attractive as to call men’s attention to it It should not be perfumed It should not be a dress of fame and vanity (i.e., it should be extravagant or excessively opulent) It should not resemble the dress of men It should not resemble the dress of kaafir women It should not be adorned with any crosses or pictures of animate beings Further discussion of each of the above points will appear soon, in sha Allaah. Answer: Praise be to Allaah. The Qur’aan and Sunnah both direct women to cover themselves and avoid displaying their adornments in front of “strangers” (non-mahram men). The Qur’aan tells the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning): “O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-Ahzaab 33:59]. Allaah commanded His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to start by telling his wives and daughters to wear the jilbaab (i.e., the abaayah or an outer garment), because he and his family are examples for the believing men and women, then he was to command the believing women to do likewise: “That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed” means, if a woman wears the jilbaab, it will be known that she is a decent woman who covers herself and desires chastity, unlike the women of the Jaahiliyyah who uncovered their adornments and temptations in front of all men, so she herself would be tempted and she would tempt others, she was misled and she misled others, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)~~~~~~` Islam QA So I mean if we cope y Kaffirs then we are being like they are and we shouldnt do that. Thats where this comes in.......The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Reported by Abu Dawood, 4/314). Just a friendly conversation, Jenna :) |
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| dhikr |
| 05/10/01 at 18:22:05 |
| [slm] pakiprincess, im not sure about the miniskirt thing, but lately i have seen those full sleeve dresses that come up to mid thigh, and they wear pants underneath, the dress is usually some geometric design, and that looks hot. the dress usually has like this same material belt type /tie thingy that u tie reeely loosely. it looks good and thank u se7en abt the skirt/jeasn compliment:) heheheheh basically get a reeely funky skirt with high slits and were funky flared jeans under. the skirt is loose, the jeans are loose so iz alll good. get a funky purse to go along with, just go nuts! and i agree with laboogie. just try somethign new, if u think it looks good, then it will, but if u keep messin with it and worried that itll look bad then it will. like htat saying or somehting. if u think u look like a millions bux u will. whats cool is that there are soo many ways to be creative and halaal at the same time. once when me and se7en were at the mall, i was doin the slitted skirt thing with jeans and these girls walk by and made the comment they got style and they still covered . so it was cool, and the way i look at it , thats also a form of dawah in a weird way too. so be halaal, be creative, and just reprezent!\ se7en ive been sucked into my realm here hehehe sike:)(dont worry im not some kinda airheaded blonde chic whose at the mall everyday, well i dont think i am at least) [wlm] |
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| jannah |
| 05/10/01 at 23:46:01 |
| wlm, full sleeve dresses??? where?! i looked everywhere all over the mall.. all i see are these short flimsy short sleeved summer dresses type stuff!!! do they come with the pants? kinda like an outfit? |
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| princess |
| 05/11/01 at 01:08:57 |
| walikumas'salaam warahamtullah :) [quote]anyways, my major dilemma is: is the pant-skirt thing back in fashion? or was that girl as hopeless as me when it comes to clothing and had simply made a faux pass?[/quote] what r u talking about?!! man, am i the only 1 that see's this as a TACKY, FUNKY, GROSS outfit?! hahahahahahahh :) i'm sorry..i don't see where this pant and skirt wearing thing is in..it's eww :) i don't see that anywhere..nor do i want to..nor would i let a fellow sister wear something like that :) [shivers] :) later langur ;-D |
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| Saleema |
| 05/11/01 at 02:08:42 |
| [slm] The pant/mini skirt was in fashion last year. I remember cuz my friend was very much into all the newst fashion, trends and she used to wear it. [wlm] Saleema |
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| pakiprncess |
| 05/11/01 at 18:49:28 |
| asalaam alaikum sista girls ;) [quote]The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Reported by Abu Dawood, 4/314). You are taking this out of context.[/quote] im sorry, but i totally agree here...whats that supposed to mean? like i cant wear pant shirt cuz non muslims wear em? well, non muslims in saudi arabia also adorn a burqa simply because its law there...that does NOT mean that they are muslims. i think your reference is talking about life styles n stuff, like how muslims might adopt the idea of thanksgiving and halloween and what not...i dunno, ive never been told by anyone that pants for women are not allowed, as long as its loose n not bright.... [quote]am i the only 1 that see's this as a TACKY, FUNKY, GROSS outfit?! [/quote] sure looks like it princess ;) hehe meanwhile, im lookin like a million bucks! wasalam :) |
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| Mahmoodah |
| 05/12/01 at 11:08:10 |
| salam those skirt/pants, i wore them last yr, coz i usually wear pants. but i find it more comfotable if a skirt is worn on top of it, coz it covers more as i am made to take my coat/jacket of wen i am in lesson!!! I find those skirn n pants to gether less revealing then just wearin pants!!! is it really wrong to wear trousers, coz i cant walk in long skirts!!!! the skirts that r long, r usually thin, so i find them very dificult to walk in, or move about, n wen climin the stairs then u can c alot!!! am i makin ne sense here??? wa-salam |
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| princess |
| 05/12/01 at 15:23:39 |
| walikumas'salaam warahamtullah :) [quote]the skirts that r long, r usually thin, so i find them very dificult to walk in, or move about, n wen climin the stairs then u can c alot!!!am i makin ne sense here???[/quote] girl..i know EXACTLY what u talkin bout!! if there was a slit..it'd be soo much easier ;) 1 of my friends does this..i find it odd..but it's a thought..:) if there's a skirt that's got a slit in it, she'll wear a matchin slip under it..so, it's like, the slit is there..but u don't show any skin :) sounds weird..looks ok..but it's something i wouldn't do :) later langur ;-D |
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| Mahmoodah |
| 05/13/01 at 10:41:10 |
| salam with slit skirts u can always wear trouwsers under them!!! or u can even wear nea high boots!! but i personally prefer the trowsers in winter!!! wa-salam |
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| jaihoon |
| 05/13/01 at 15:09:42 |
| A dress is to cover the shame of the body and ultimately to maintain the PURITY of heart. |
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| jannah |
| 05/13/01 at 19:10:16 |
[quote]A dress is to cover the shame of the body and ultimately to maintain the PURITY of heart. [/quote] Is there something shameful about our bodies? Did not Allah create us all in the best of forms? We have haya' yes but the shade of meaning of the word 'shame' seems strange. |
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| Barr |
| 05/14/01 at 10:41:21 |
| Assalamu'alaikum... Have U tried wearing A-line or princess cut dresses/ skirts? I think it works better than the slim cut ones and I like mine flary... for easier movement. I like those cuts so much that my jilbabs are made with those cuts... some people think I'm wearing maternity wear! :) I usually have mine tailor-made... long skirts off the rack are either too short... or... either too short... an all time frustration! So, if U can't get it off the rack... get it sewn! :) It's cheaper too! Oh yes! Talking about baby-doll dresses... I actually went parasailing and jetskiing wearing this long sleeved knee-length baby doll dress (t-shirt material) over my track bottoms... I think it's cool... and it doesn't stick to your body even after you just came out of the water.... wallahua'lam :-) |
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| kiwi25 |
| 05/14/01 at 11:28:28 |
| salam, i think the mini skirt /pants style is out i use to sport that last year, i now go with what dkihr83 said, the long sleeved skirts (the more like jackets some of them) that come up to the kness with pants or skirt underneath, and those FUNKY multicolored skirts are so hot! i agree with what se7en said earleir that most scholors say its ok for woman to wear pants, the Prophet (pbuh) gave a khutba saying to beautify ourselves but to a certain extent, alhumdulilah i can wear clothing (pants shirt etc) thats not too tight, revealing etc and still wear hijab with it, i think its good when non muslims can see how we still wear hijab with style, so many of my non muslim freinds comment on my dress with hijab, i remember going shoipping with dhikr and se7en and someone passed us by and said (a gurl) and said "wow there dressed down and covered but in style!" so go ahead with the halaliness of course but add some of ur funkiness to it:) !! wasalam noon:) |
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| Arsalan |
| 05/14/01 at 17:28:54 |
| [slm] I want to stay as faaaaar away from the "fashion" part of this thread as possible :) This is just to respond to Jannah's statement: [quote]Is there something shameful about our bodies? Did not Allah create us all in the best of forms? [/quote] I remembered that when Allah speaks about the story of Adam and Eve in the Qur'an, the word "shame" is mentioned somewhere in the story. I did a quick search and found these two aayaat: 7.20[color=green] Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, in order to reveal to them their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever." [/color] 7.22 [color=green]So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame parts became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the Garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?" [/color] I am not sure, but this is perhaps the context in which Jaihoon was also speaking. Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| jaihoon |
| 05/14/01 at 18:45:43 |
| Masha Allah! Brother Arsalan! You have become the tongue of my heart :) That is exactly what I meant. And i was searching this exact Ayah to quote as a reply. And i too like to "to stay as faaaaar away from the "fashion" :) jazak Allah khair |
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| princess |
| 05/14/01 at 20:56:39 |
| as'salaamualikum :) [quote]I want to stay as faaaaar away from the "fashion" part of this thread as possible :)[/quote] ssssuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee arsalan..;) i bet that's why u were just [i]lurking around[/i] WAITING to answer :) too late arsalan..don't try hiding from it now :) ;) later langur ;-D |
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| Noura |
| 05/14/01 at 21:12:45 |
| assalaamu alaikum warhmatullahi wa barakatuh, it's DEF not the style in NYC. no clothes, no hayaa, no sytle. nur, |
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| eleanor |
| 05/15/01 at 12:37:16 |
| slm was there not a thread here a couple of months ago about Aisha wearing pants? She used to wear baggy type shalwar under her long dress. I suppose like shalwar kameez. wasalaam eleanor. |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 05/16/01 at 19:15:32 |
| hey everybody...assalaamu alaikum! hey sis..i don't think it matters...i think it's back in again..or just a symbol or category of those who still do it..u know...casual n chic n alternative? :) i dunno..i always thought it to be a muslim fashion..since we were kiddies we'd wear the dresses or skirts with 'legging's those pajama style pants..or even jeans or something.. i think the skirt/slacks or leggings (depending on what type of skirt etc) is cool...go for it, esp if it looks nice! n hey...u can always say ur wearing it malay style! although it'd be the malay masculine style there! ;) so...go for it! it always looks awesome! but..i'd think matching the material or the color..or contrasting it properly would be better than just pulling on any sort/style/color? :) it rocks...(but just b/careful that the miniskirt still isn't that tight etc..or revealing..cause covered yet revealing still doesn't go-in public) wa salaams.. |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 05/16/01 at 19:31:04 |
| oh hey though. know what i dislike? aghh. 'adult fashions' for the kiddos...which includes midthigh slits in skirts n other stuff..absolutely upsetting.....grrrrrrr. ;) it's just sad actually...n then ppl wonder why they have probs? why make kids look seductive, u know? oh...n even in the workplace..why make professional attire akin to seductive night or party or etc attire? je ne sais pas.... |
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| Barr |
| 05/17/01 at 02:18:48 |
| Assalamu'alaikum :) [quote]i think the skirt/slacks or leggings (depending on what type of skirt etc) is cool...go for it, esp if it looks nice! n hey...u can always say ur wearing it malay style! although it'd be the malay masculine style there! ;) [/quote] OK.. for those who still did not get it... click here http://www.pointpub.com/kampungnet/dress.html And, yes.. I agree about children wearing adult fashions... I think children should be children... but inshaALlah, upon saying that, I'd train my daughters to wear hijab, while they're still chidlren... I don't know whether children's hijabs are in the market in the US/ UK... but here.. we have really cute.. baby/ toddler/ girl hijabs :) |
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| Mahmoodah |
| 05/17/01 at 19:35:46 |
| salam, about the skirt ova the trowsers, u can always wear sharrongs on top or u pants!!! wa-salam |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 05/18/01 at 07:09:56 |
| barr, yup u guys really do!! they're soo mega cute masha'allah! :) i know like three months or maybe some months back...they had some actual JILBABS at the local deptmt stores!! is that nifty or is that super nifty? some designer outfit..did ne one notice that?? |
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| eleanor |
| 05/18/01 at 09:18:44 |
| slm what...you're like putting a 3 month old baby in a hijab? Isn't it time enough with about 7/8 at the earliest? I don't know..it makes me feel uneasy that a baby has to dress "modestly". I'd be interested to hear your justification for it. Mashallah I learn something new everytime I come on this board and I have a whole new set of opinions and attitudes. wasalaam eleanor |
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| jannah |
| 05/18/01 at 09:55:44 |
| wlm, you know how some parents dress their kids up in those cute little sundresses complete with little shoes and bonnet... that's how it looks when u see a little girl or baby in hijab.. it's just kinda cute...before they throw it off and get it messy after 5 minutes of course :) true girls don't have to wear hijab until they hit puberty.. but if ur child is like 8 or 10 it's just nice to encourage them to wear it around so they get used to it... just like prayer are we going to expect our children to start doing 5 prayers at the dot of 13? |
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| jaihoon |
| 05/18/01 at 16:56:37 |
| "but if ur child is like 8 or 10 it's just nice to encourage them to wear it around so they get used to it..." .... Well said sis Jannah! Something which every parent must follow. :) |
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| Magableh |
| 05/18/01 at 17:06:20 |
| Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. My daughter is 10 years old and she wears hijab everytime we go out. Since the day I wore hijab, she has too. Not because I told her...she just wanted to because she saw her mommy wearing it. It's sooo hard trying to find proper clothes for a girl her age, much less myself. All of the long skirts for her have slits up the thigh...*sigh* I agree that children should be encouraged from a very young age to wear hijab, but they always live by example. :) Wa'assalam, Serena |
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| Barr |
| 05/19/01 at 02:10:57 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, sisters :) [quote]what...you're like putting a 3 month old baby in a hijab? Isn't it time enough with about 7/8 at the earliest? I don't know..it makes me feel uneasy that a baby has to dress "modestly". [/quote] Thanx, Sr Jannah for your reply... and yes, they look really cute... I think it's really up to the sister when she wants to train her daughter to wear... but seriously, it looks cute more than anything else. :) There r some with 'lil rosettes, 'lil frills... so cute! Usually, these young ones would start off wearing hijab during Eid, and special days... and the sisters are not strict with the hijab for babies/ toddlers... if they feel uncomfortable in it, they'll just take it off... no hard and fast rules here... but alhamdulillah, they usually keep it on... One of my friend's daughter just reached puberty awhile ago.... and she's just 9.... and alhamdulillah, becoz, by 7, she's already wearing it full-time, she has no problems wearing the hijab now... there was one time, I remembered.. she was 7... and some brothers came over, and she had no hijab on... and she was running, rushing into the lounge.. saying "Oh no! my hijab! my hijab!"... really tickled me :) And alhamdulillah, her parents (my dearest dearest friends), brought her up, such that alhamdulillah, now that she has reached puberty, she also prays 5 times a day (even does sunnah sometimes!), fasts... and no, she doesn't give zakat ;) And very well behaved, now, alhamdulillah :) There are some who would also teach their children to do qiyam, from young! MashaAllah.... I know of this sister (21years), who does qiyam nearly every night, subhanallah! And she was trained from young mashaALlah... I guess, it's different, (especially for us, born in Muslim families)realising about Islam when one is 18, and those who, alhamdulillah, is being truly brought up with the deen from young (ie. truly know what Islam is etc) .... There are just so much to catch up with, I guess... I am just so awed by these people, mashaAllah.... ...Bringing up children by design, rather than by default wallahu a'lam :-) |
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| EMAAN |
| 05/21/01 at 10:00:26 |
| Salaam, not much of a fashion freak myself, but i think the pant-skirt thing is really out of fashion ( at least here in the Uk!) As for sister Jenna, then i think ure right, i've kinda heard the quotes u mentioned before, i'm not too sure if trousers (tailored for women) are acceptable or not. please could anyone shed some light on the issue. emaan |
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| jannah |
| 05/21/01 at 10:55:24 |
| wlm, As long as it fulfills the requirements of hijab.. ie loose and not transparent or showing awrah, some scholars agree that it is ok. There are other opinions that it is not. It would be best if you ask your local imam or someone knowledgable you trust. As this is a question that scholars haven't come to a consensus on there is no point on us arguing over this here. |
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