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| Everlast |
| 05/08/01 at 20:30:19 |
| Asalaamu alaikum! I know that tattoos are strictly forbidden in Islam. But I also know that the sins one has committed before coming to Islam are forgiven when one becomes Muslim. So would I have to get them removed or not? Brothers have told me to just make sure I keep them covered and I try my best to especially when I make salaat. I have some on my neck and I'm not really fond of turtle necks so what should I do? Is it okay if some are still visible? Any advice would be appreciated. Shukran. |
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| Rashid |
| 05/09/01 at 00:41:39 |
| [slm] In my humble opinion, if you can afford to get them removed, then you most definetely should. [wlm] |
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| SA |
| 05/09/01 at 07:51:56 |
| Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah Masha'Allah on your insistance to know what's halal/haram in Islam; don't worry about those who may look down on you for your tatoos, there's a big ole difference between doing what's considered haram before and after attaining faith. SubhanAllah, there are many Muslims who prefer to live in "ignorance" their whole lives, thinking they're ok just by the fact that they have muslim names/parents or something... Check out some "Ask the Imam" type Q/A's at: http://www.islam-online.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=0gSR71 http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/display.asp?hFatwaID=8125 (sorry if that didn't become a link, u can copy/paste) Kinda reminds me of the story of a man who asked an imam (I'm pretty sure this isn't a hadith abt the Prophet, pbuh, correct me if I'm wrong) if Allah would forgive someone who murdered. The imam told this first guy, "No, killing is haram" (or s/t to this effect). Then a second guy came and asked the imam the same question and he replied, "Yes, Allah is the Forgiver." A third guy listening to these 2 conversations asked the imam why he gave 2 different answers, to which the imam replied, "The second man had killed someone in the past, while the first man had the intention to kill." wAllahu'alim. |
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| jehad |
| 05/09/01 at 09:35:02 |
| Asalm walakum In huj i saw lodes of Russians with tattos. some of them had the faces removed from them. I'm not sure what you should do about tatos before Islam, ask a alim? |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 05/09/01 at 12:06:53 |
AsalamAlay.com Peace and e-Greetings be upon you EverLast, "Having a Tattoo is NOT haram. GETTING a Tattoo IS haram." I learned this personally from a (then) new muslim around 1994 here in Toronto at Jami Mosque. He was Formerly Greek Orthodox Christian. The deeper he went into his particular sect of Christianity, part of that sect's behaviour was to Get TATTOOs of Crosses, alphabets of Greek Letters and other christian symbols put onto their skin to ID themselves etc etc. One of the biggie of his tattoos were on his ankles and quite visible during Salat. Hence my inquiry to him. Bottom line, This brother was SO WORRIED about his tattoos he went and fully researched islamically what to do?? My Quote above is the answer he found. Coming INTO Islam with TATTOOs is okay, when you took Shahada, the Shahada wiped away the Tattoo spiritually so no blame on you. IF and only IF you can afford it, or perhaps some muslim can sponsor the money-fees, Remove it. That was the point when I had the conversation with that tattooed Bro, he was fundraising Tattoo Removal money. Your Bro in T.O., ~ HiMY! ~ |
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| jawadio |
| 05/09/01 at 12:21:58 |
[quote] Kinda reminds me of the story of a man who asked an imam (I'm pretty sure this isn't a hadith abt the Prophet, pbuh, correct me if I'm wrong) if Allah would forgive someone who murdered. The imam told this first guy, "No, killing is haram" (or s/t to this effect). Then a second guy came and asked the imam the same question and he replied, "Yes, Allah is the Forgiver." A third guy listening to these 2 conversations asked the imam why he gave 2 different answers, to which the imam replied, "The second man had killed someone in the past, while the first man had the intention to kill." wAllahu'alim. [/quote] :) I love that story but there's a subtlety in it that wasn't mentioned. My shaykh told me this story on the first day when we were doing fiqh together, and I don't have my notes with me at work here, but this is how I remember it (if someone can correct this please do so!!). The first man came in very angry and tense and said, "Would Allah forgive a man if he murders someone?" The Imam (sayyidina Ali) said, "No, Allah will not forgive such a one." THe man left. The second person came in, almost sorrowful in his disposition and said, "Would Allah forgive a man if he murdered someone?" The Imam said, "Allah is the Most-Forgiving and the Most-Merciful." What's the difference? The first person came to the Imam and he was clearly in a rage, probably on his way to kill someone, and indicated that with his state and his wording - murders, in the future tense and not murdered. So to prevent that, the Imam wanted to instill fear into him and said, "No, Allah will not forgive that." The second person on the other hand perhaps did kill someone (wrongfully or rightfully) as he indicated in his words (murdered - past tense). This was further indicated by his state in questioning -remorseful almost. So the Imam wanted him to repent by reminding him that Allah is forgiving, and not to despair by reminding him that Allah is merciful. Sayyidina Ali was a TRUE faqih. In a flash he saw all of those things and knew how to guide them. This is generally called firasa or baseerah (penetrating vision or inner sight) and hikmah (wisdom). May Allah be pleased with him and ennoble his face!!! |
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| Ahlam |
| 05/09/01 at 15:46:04 |
| Assalamu Alaikum I understand what you are saying......I too have one and I feel guilty for it. It is on my lower back so I can hide it easily though. I believe that Allah will forgive you for your ignorance. Allah is merciful and you did not know. Have you ever thought about wearing Hijab? That would cover the one on your neck. How long has it been since you converted? I hope that you will find a solution and that you will not feel any guilt like me. Good luck |
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| jannah |
| 05/09/01 at 17:35:21 |
| wlm, there is an old spanish brother here.. he has tatoos way all over his arms and neck and stuff. why should he hide them as if ashamed? everyone knows he's muslim. those tatoos are just a part of his past. |
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| chachi |
| 05/09/01 at 18:38:04 |
Haaris you remember that old english law case about the guy who drove his car onto a policemans foot and then wouldn't remove it? he claimed he didn't have the requisite Men Rea at the time of the commission of the offence...*lol* |
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| humble_muslim |
| 05/10/01 at 12:38:02 |
| AA From my limited knowledge, removing a tattoo is potentaially dangerous. SO I would NOT recommend having it removed from an Islamic point of view, as one should not endanger one's body. And Allah SWT knows best. |
| NS |
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| haaris |
| 05/15/01 at 08:35:38 |
| [quote]that old english law case about the guy who drove his car onto a policemans foot and then wouldn't remove it?[/quote] Ha, ha, they don't make 'em like they used to. By the by, someone was asking me the other day about whether "temporary tattoos" are haram. Apparently they disappear within three to five years. My gut reaction is that a tattoo is a tattoo, no matter how long they last for. But seeing as my gut reaction is not a recognised source for interpreting Sharia, I didn't give a response. Anyone know about this? Salaam |
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