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| jawad |
| 05/12/01 at 16:32:55 |
| Salaam, I'd like to get some more information about censorship... Is it supposed to be done, Islamically? Are there precedents? The official Islamic point of view would be nice, and the hikmah behind it. Personally, I'm anti-censorship, unless anti-censorship is anti-Islam.. Nice to make sure your beliefs aren't conflicting, right? Wasalaam, ~jawad |
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| nehar |
| 05/12/01 at 16:47:09 |
| [slm] hmmmmm, im confused about it 2. [wlm] Nehar |
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| chachi |
| 05/12/01 at 17:30:01 |
i think you might want to look up the disagreement between hadrat radwan and hadrat uthman about the issue of private property and how they dealt with it but as i don't know the full story you'll have to ask someone else also how did various islamic scholars react to being told they must stop preaching a certain topic |
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| jawad |
| 05/13/01 at 06:12:00 |
| Salaam, It's my personal belief that censorship should be the obligation of the individual, not of the society, and of the parents of the individual if they're underage. I don't like how all these (communist islamic etc.) governments try to do the censorship for us. Lassaiz Faire's the way to go... Wasalam, ~jawad |
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| Saleema |
| 05/13/01 at 11:52:43 |
| [slm] Specifically what type of censorship don't you like? I would like to see perverted western shows and pornograhpy censored. That should not be left up to the individual. That's such a western ideology. It has no basis in Islam. [wlm] Saleema |
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| jehad |
| 05/13/01 at 12:21:11 |
| asalm walakum. It is the job of the khalif to make things illigal that are detramental to society. Igtehad has been done in this issue by groups working to bring back the khilafah. What ever leads to a harram is a harram in its self, so it is farrad for the khalif to remove things that my cause harram. when some thing is illigal in islam and it is farrad for the khalif to prevent people from doing it, then it is his duty to adupt a punishment for it. Hizb ut tahrir has adupted that people caught with pornograph should get six months imprisonment. |
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| Asim |
| 05/13/01 at 13:33:18 |
| Assalaamu alaikum, I think censorship comes under the general command of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil. This command is for both individuals and groups. Those who do this are given Allah's felicity and are the best of people, and those who don't are in loss (this is from the Quran). It is human nature that we dislike it when someone points out a wrong in us or decides for us what is good or bad (this nature I believe is reinforced by the western society of today, as Saleema mentioned). So it is part of eeman that we accept all efforts that are made to enjoin good and forbid evil; it is only for our good. There is also this principle in Islam of cutting off the paths that lead to sin. If you give shaytaan an inch he will take a mile! So no matter how small the effort is it is still in the best interest for us. Also, we should always ask ourselves when we come across bad language, bad behavior, inappropriate writing, nudity, etc (all of which are disliked in Islam) in the media whether it was worth spending the time. Are we interested in this stuff so that we can blend into our friends? Are we doing this so that we can contribute to chit-chat on this pop singer/actor(ess)/scandal and not feel like an idiot in the group? Basically all this is worthless for the next life and this life also. It boils down to accepting what Allah says is good and bad for us whether we recognize this ourselves or someone else points it out to us. Yes, this can be hard but we shouldn't just turn a blind eye or get irritated but strive in that direction. In 'Muslim' countries censorship is often hypocritical. Like in Pakistan, bad scenes on satellite TV are censored but then there are equally bad scenes in locally produced programming that is left alone! Also, censoring TV is of little value when you can pop into the corner video store and rent out the baddest picture in town! So it can get irritating (especially when governments use censorship for their own political reasons). But we should accept the little good that they do. Wasalaam. |
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| humble_muslim |
| 05/13/01 at 16:21:16 |
| AA I'm sure that ijtehad has been done by many other groups as well. Anywhere, IHMO there is no need for ijtehad. Since it is haram for a muslim man to look at a non-mahrham women, that basically rules out all TV, movies, etc. In an Islamic state this is the job of thr govt.; in an Islamic household, the job of the father. |
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| jehad |
| 05/14/01 at 09:06:44 |
| The biggest censers are the people who claim to be against censorship. They censer in the name of free speech. This is the argument people use here and in the Muslim world to ban Islamic talks. The government here might not do it directly like in the Muslim world but they often do it indirectly using bodies like the NSU. The argument they use to ban some one else from talking is that "that argument would be anti free speech". This is the same hypocrisy they use in Turkey, Tunisia, Egypt etc, to ban hijab, they say they are preventing women from having the right to cover them selves to safe guard the freedom to wear what they want. |
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| jawadio |
| 05/18/01 at 20:41:48 |
| HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S MY NAME! AND YOU'RE AIM SCREEN NAME (JAWADB) IS TOO CLOSE TO MINE (JAWADQ)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ANYHOW... i guess great minds think alike... but i'm not with you on the swearing bro... that @#$ts gotta go ;) |
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| se7en |
| 06/28/01 at 13:45:04 |
From [url=http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/display.asp?hFatwaID=34974]IslamOnline[/url] Freedom of Speech from an Islamic Perspective [i]As-Salaamu `alaykum. What is the Islamic ruling pertaining to a Muslim majority government that practices the law that allows detention of people without being put to trial? The person detained is assumed to be a threat to national security and is not allowed to be defended in the court of law. The government can detain any person as long as it wishes and in some cases the detained person may spend up to 15 years in jail without being put to trial. I would appreciate your Fatwa on this practice. [/i] [color=black] Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states: Wa`alaykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh. In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Islam stresses the principle of freedom. This is made clear in the well-known statement of Caliph `Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab, may Allah be pleased with him: "How dare you enslave people whereas they were born free?!" At a time when people were enslaved intellectually, politically, socially, religiously, and economically, Islam came to establish the freedom of belief, freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom to criticize. Islam strictly forbids that people be forced to adopt a certain creed, or to believe in a particular religion. Almighty Allah says: "If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe?" (Yoonus: 99) This was in the Makkan era. In the Madinan period, Allah also revealed: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: truth stands out clear from error." (Al-Baqarah: 256) This Islamic principle of freedom did not come as a result of some sort of development in the society or an evolution that requested it, but it was a heavenly principle that was revealed for the good of people and to elevate them on earth. But this freedom is guaranteed on the condition that religion should not become toyed with. Islam also guarantees freedom of speech and criticism and even considers it obligatory when it concerns the interest of the entire Ummah, or affects other Islamic morals or general ethical values. In cases like these Islam makes it mandatory upon every Muslim to speak the truth, fearing none but Allah; it makes it incumbent upon a Muslim to enjoin what is good and set right what is evil; and to encourage whoever does good deeds and blame whoever does evil deeds. In this case, freedom of speech and criticism are deemed as an obligation and not merely a right one is entitled to. It is not a characteristic of Islam to muzzle freedom of speech, prevent people from expressing their opinions freely, or to repose faith except with being granted permission, just as Pharaoh said to the sorcerers who believed in Allah: "…believe ye in him before I give you permission?" (Taha: 71) He wanted them to believe in Allah with permission from the supreme authority! Security is a basic component of happiness. One day a wise man was asked about the meaning of happiness: "It is to enjoy security; I have found that one who fears can't enjoy life." The one who fears cannot be happy. That is why peace of mind is a fundamental element in happiness. By the same token, if one loses his freedom, he cannot be safe and secure. One will not taste happiness if he fears that he will be wronged or transgressed while he sits at home and people raid his home, drive him away in the dead of night to an unknown place where no one can reach him. One who fears to speak against the regime or rulers because they will punish him, will find himself unable to perceive any sense of joy. For this reason, Islam lays emphasis on freedom to such an extent that it commands Muslims to struggle and fight in its cause. Allah Almighty says: "And fight them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than killing." (Al-Baqarah: 191) "And persecution is graver than killing." (Al-Baqarah: 217) That is because persecution is a violation against intellect, self, and freedom. Editor's Note: This is freedom as seen by Allah Almighty, and as applied in the times of the Companions of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, Imams, Sultans till the end of Ottoman period. Then came a period when the Islamic Law was not applied in most of the Muslim countries. Thereafter, some sincere young Muslims took upon their shoulders the responsibility of reviving Islam; thus they called upon people to apply Islam and translate its dictates into practice. Those Muslims had to go through difficult tests and great tribulations. They have been condemned on the media and were detained and put in jail. But the question is: Is the solution involved in killing and making revolutions to overthrow the present-day regimes? Or does the solution lie in the adoption of a new method of Islamic call and propagation to Islam, training the Ummah Islamically, and enduring all tests and tribulations in this cause, till Allah wills that His religion should return and be applied again. We should bear in mind that in order that Islam be active and effective in our life, people should be tested. Allah Almighty says: "And We shall try you until We test those among you who strive their utmost and persevere in patience; and We shall try your reported (mettle)." (Muhammad: 31) "These are (only) the vicissitudes which We cause to follow one another for mankind, to the end that Allah may know those who believe and may choose witnesses from among you; and Allah loveth not wrong doers. And that Allah may prove those who believe, and may blight the disbelievers." (Ali-`Imraan: 140-141) It is reported that Imam Ash-Shafi`i was once asked: "Which is better: that people pass through trials (to get spiritual discipline), or that (Allah) make them achieve supremacy (on earth)? He remarked: "There will be no supremacy except when people pass through trials." The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, gave glad tidings to those who are at the behest of Islam and forbear all trials and tribulations in this cause. He is reported to have said: "There will be the "days" of patience after you; whoever keeps patience will earn a reward fifty times more than you will." They said: "Fifty times more than one of us, or one of those who succeed us." "More than you will," said the Prophet. (Reported by At-Tabaraani.) This great reward is granted for those who stick to Islam and follow the guidance of its Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. Allah Almighty says: "O ye who believe! Endure, outdo all others in endurance, be ready, and observe your duty to Allah, in order that ye may succeed.ž" (Al `Imraan: 200) O Allah, relieve the distress of the distressed, alleviate the worry of the oppressed, and set free whoever has been detained in the cause of defending Your religion. Amen. Allah Almighty knows best. [/color] |
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