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etiquette of al-Salat
eleanor
05/26/01 at 18:04:25
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Until now I have always had trousers or shalwar on when doing salat. Yesterday for the first time I was wearing a long skirt. When I went to stand up after doing sajdah I nearly killed myself. ( ;-D )       I just go direct from toe-tips to standing up without moving my feet and my skirt was somehow gone under my heels and well...luckily no one was there to witness this :-)

Anyway, my question to the knowledgeable and noble sisters is, how do you manage to stand up quickly and efficiently without falling over because I couldn't stand up until I had fixed my skirt.?

And what's more have I been wrong until now by praying in trousers?


Another question on salat: if you are doing Wudhu and you do it all correct and then you go and wash the left foot first instead of the right one..do you have to start Wudhu over again or just do the feet again?

And if you mix up the words a bit in the salat and you are aware of it then should you do the salat again from the beginning or just say the mixed up part properly?


These are all little things that have been bothering me and I need your expert advice as usual.

I am indebted to you all forever.

wasalaam
eleanor

ps: wuuhuuuuu I'm a Madina Muslim!!!!! When did that happen???  :-)
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
destined
05/26/01 at 18:21:41
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[quote]When I went to stand up after doing sajdah I nearly killed myself. ( ;-D )[/quote]      
This has happened to me many times, heh  :D

[quote]...how do you manage to stand up quickly and efficiently without falling over because I couldn't stand up until I had fixed my skirt.?[/quote]

Okay, here's what I do...  
If you're wearing something long and flowing the best thing to do is as you're going down for sujood like *right* before you go down pull up your skirt (or whatever you're wearing) a little.  *Just a little* so that when you get up from your 2 sujoods your skirt (or whatever you're wearing) will not be under your heels.  Try that InshaAllah, it always works for me :)
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
Ruqayyah
05/26/01 at 20:40:51
or if you lift off from your toes w/out getting the cloth stuck under your heels, that works too :)
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
nehar
05/26/01 at 21:34:54
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sis i always wear a skirt or atleast try b/c i find it comfortable and am used to it.  I suppose practise makes perfect. if ur trouser r'nt fitted i dont c the prob and shalwar tend 2 b massive anyways.

I persoanlly hate trousers or shalwars, i always manage to trip up them and they r soooooooooooooooooo easy 2 rip wen u trip, lol.  Being little makes life gr8 as trousers and shalwar get dirty easily so i wear kameez and skirt (yeah mum hates it!)

anyways, congrats on becoming a Medina muslim. take care and goodluck on ur skirt

[wlm]

Nehar
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
assing
05/27/01 at 16:25:00
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"Another question on salat: if you are doing Wudhu and you do it all correct and then you go and wash the left foot first instead of the right one..do you have to start Wudhu over again or just do the feet again?"

No, you do not have to repeat your wudu and inshallah it is valid.
This is based of the fact for any aspect of ibadah {wudu, salah, haj, etc.....} there are wajibaat and sunan. The wajibaat being the obligatory aspects of that act of worship which if you leave out then that entire act of worship is considered null and void and must be repeated. And the sunan or sunnah {aspects of worship} being those act if you do them you will be rewarded, but if you happen to leave it off then there is no sin on you. Thus, washing the right hand or feet before the left hand or feet is considered from the sunnah of wudu and not the wajibaat. And thsi deduction is based on Allah's statement in the beginning of surah Al Maidah, verse 6:
"O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salah (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles"

Hence, the as shaikh Salaah ibn Utaymeen explained:  "It is not an obligation to wash the right hand {or feet} before the left one, and it suffices if someone washes their left {hand or feet} before the right one. And this is understood from the ayah whereby Allah says "And your hands to the elbows", and He did not say the right hand then left hand. He {subhaanahu wa ta'ala} also said "And your feet up to the ankles", and He did not say the left before the right {Imam An Nawawi said "the scholars are unanimous that washing the right hand or feet before the left for wudu is a sunnah, and Ibn Qudamah Al Maqdasi said "there is no known difference amongst the scholars that this is not wajib"}. However, beginning with the right is preferable, due to the hadeeth of the messenger {salallahu alayhi wasallam} wherby he said: "Whenever you dress and whenever you make wudu, begin with your right" {Abu Dawud and Ahmad and it is saheeh}.

As for the second part of the question: "And if you mix up the words a bit in the salat and you are aware of it then should you do the salat again from the beginning or just say the mixed up part properly?"

I would say this even happens to me sometimes {and i guess each one of us}, but again you don't have to repeat your salah or even make sujud as sahw, as some people mistakenly do whenever they recite an ayah wrong or cannot recollect part of a surah. And this is based on the fact first of all reciting a surah after Al Fatihah is not wajib but rather sunnah, therefore even if you just recite Al Fatihah it will be sufficient and your salah will be valid inshallah. Secondly, as the scholars mentioned in their books of fiqh, the only time one needs to repeat his salah if he recites a surah incorrectly, is whenever one deliberatly changes the meaning of an ayah. For example, if one says like in surah Al Fatihah:
"Siraat'al ladhee an'amtu", instead of
""Siraat'al ladhee an'amta",
meaning; the words of Allah have been distorted from: "The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace", to "The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed my Grace", and this is a clear statement of shirk. Thus, the scholars have said mistakes like these nullify ones salah. But i think this is a far cry from many of us who are still struggling to even pronounce surah Al Fatihah properly.      
 So sister i would say don't worry everyting'  curry.
     
   
NS
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
eleanor
05/28/01 at 14:02:47
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Jazak Allah Khair for all your wonderful answers!!

Alhamdulillah I have you to ask.

wasalaam

eleanor
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
Arsalan
05/30/01 at 18:46:19
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[quote]Yesterday for the first time I was wearing a long skirt. When I went to stand up after doing sajdah I nearly killed myself. ( ;-D ) [/quote]Heh :)  Reminds me of the first time I prayed with a thoub!  

It's all practice I guess.  Two tips to follow have already been said:

1. Pull up your dress a little when going into sajdah.  By little, I mean maybe a couple of inches.

2. When getting up from sujood, get up on your toes, without touching your heals to the ground, until you are fully straight.  Then put the heels on the ground.  

Another tip:

3. When getting up, push yourself up into the standing position with your hands.  So your knees should leave the ground before your hands.

Again, practice makes perfect.  You're gonna struggle with it for a while!

Wassalamu alaikum.
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
se7en
05/30/01 at 20:55:13

Heheh...that's why I always wear pants underneath... that way you can hike up your skirt/dress all you want without worrying about any potential embarassing moments ;)

Also a tip for jilbab wearers... make sure you unbotton those top few buttons before starting salah. trust me, I almost choked myself once in between the two sajdahs..
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
eleanor
05/31/01 at 06:29:17
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once again Jazakallah Khayr.

I was just thinking though, even if I did kill myself or se7en if you had choked yourself...wouldn't it be a great time and situation to die? Or am I being really stupid here?

wasalaam
eleanor
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
Arsalan
05/31/01 at 15:45:15
[quote]I was just thinking though, even if I did kill myself or se7en if you had choked yourself...wouldn't it be a great time and situation to die? [/quote]Yup!  
[quote]Or am I being really stupid here?[/quote]Nope.  Not at all.
:-)
Ahlam
05/31/01 at 17:47:10
Assalamu Alaikum Sisters,
Well I cannot give much advice since I am still trying to learn prayers and arabic, but I just wanted to say that this thread may help me in the future so thank you all.  And Eleanor, I hope that you don't fall and hurt yourself inshallah.  I was just thinking too, if I had to restart my prayer everytime I messed up, I would never be able to stop praying.  For now I say most of it in English because I don't have anyone to teach me the arabic.  Some people have told me this is wrong, but what can I do?  Does anyone think it would be better for me not to even pray until I learn all the arabic or is it okay that I add in arabic parts as I learn them?  One more thing....all of you are great.  I don't know how I would do it without you.

Wasalam
Aimee
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
Arsalan
05/31/01 at 19:55:52
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Aimee, I would suggest that you hold a piece of paper in your hand with the prayer written in Arabic (using English alphabets of course) and read from it while you pray, until you have it all memorised.  

Everything that you need to say in the prayer is mentioned in [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=madrasa&action=display&num=2369]this thread[/url] (scroll down to the third last post in the thread).  You can just print it out or copy it to a piece of paper in your own handwriting.
Re: etiquette of al-Salat
destined
05/31/01 at 21:16:44
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Aimee, I would suggest the same thing as br Arsalan (hold a piece of paper with the Arabic to help you recite if you need to).  I don't know how much you know so far but in case you don't know surah Al-Fatiha make sure to concentrate on learning it inshaAllah  

"Whoever performs salah without reciting Al-Fatiha, it is incomplete (he saw said this three times)."  (Muslim)  

But this doesn't mean you should stop what you're doing.  

The person who cannot memorize Al-Fatiha should say: "Subhanallah, al-hamdulillah, Allahu Akbar and laa ilaaha illa Allah."  (Abu Dawud)

if you need any help with anything, please email me inshaAllah


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