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| Spring |
| 05/29/01 at 15:13:46 |
| Assalamu 'alaikum Dearest brothers and sisters, I have just had a quick look around the message board. And it is so gratifying to see muslims having discussions without arguing and without getting angry at each other when they disagree. Alhamdulillah, it really does feel like a community spirit is present. A bit about myself, I'm from the UK and I will soon be a Doctor insha Allah. Barr introduced me to the site. Wassalam |
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| jannah |
| 05/29/01 at 15:16:28 |
| [wlm] welcome.. you have the honor of posting the 3000th thread on this board!!! |
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| eleanor |
| 05/29/01 at 15:29:32 |
| slm Marhaba!! A friend of Barr's is *definitely* a friend of ours. You're so lucky to know her in real life. Insha Allah looking forward to getting to know *you* :) keep on postin'.... wasalaam eleanor |
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| BrKhalid |
| 05/29/01 at 15:51:24 |
| wlm ;-) Welcome to the Board Spring ;-) Nice of you to have sprung on over from lurkerdom ;) [Well I thought it was kind of funny ;-) ] [quote]A bit about myself, I'm from the UK and I will soon be a Doctor insha Allah[/quote] If you feel up to it, let us know what it was like training to be Doctor and what should aspiring Muslim Doctors in the UK watch out for. [quote]welcome.. you have the honor of posting the 3000th thread on this board!!! [/quote] Can you believe some people actually count these things? ;) Once again Spring, nice to have you here. |
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| princess |
| 05/29/01 at 16:54:55 |
| walikumas'salaam warahmatullah :) welcome to the board..enjoy ur stay :) ;) inshAllah, u'll enjoy it loads here on jannah.org..it's the only place u can drink what u clean ur toilet with :) ;) it's a great place to be..:) langur ;-D |
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| se7en |
| 05/29/01 at 17:10:53 |
[quote]it's the only place u can drink what u clean ur toilet with [/quote] princess what ??? |
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| meraj |
| 05/29/01 at 17:40:25 |
| slm, [quote] it's the only place u can drink what u clean ur toilet with princess what ???[/quote] haha.. shes refering to bebzi... the refresher/toilet cleaner ;-D anyhoo, welcome abaord and enjoy your stay inshallah :) - the welcoming wagon ;-D |
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| Learner |
| 05/29/01 at 19:30:19 |
| slm :) Welcome and enjoy your stay here. wlm :) |
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| Lisha |
| 05/29/01 at 19:47:12 |
| [slm] [quote]it's the only place u can drink what u clean ur toilet with princess what ??? haha.. shes refering to bebzi... the refresher/toilet cleaner ;-D[/quote] hahahahahahaaaaaaaa ok welcum n enjoy;) n take care,:):):) w'salaam |
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| Barr |
| 05/29/01 at 22:33:10 |
| Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullah!!!! :):):) MashaALlah! Here I am... just minding my own business, surfing the board, (when I'm supposed to be completing my Gannt Chart;))... and what do I see? I guess, the long distance phonecall worked, eh? ;) Take care... and welcome... the UK crew is growing stronger!;) *heh heh* |
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| Spring |
| 05/30/01 at 14:41:33 |
| [slm] 3000th thread, wow!! Well Barr, I guess it had to happen eventually!! Had to succumb to the pressure!! Thank you all for your generous welcomes. Br Khalid asked about training as a doctor in the UK. Well, hmmm. Okay, medical education has changed quite a lot in the UK. There has been a major shift towards Problem Based Learning. Which means that students are given problems at the start of every module, which they must then go and research. Lectures have been removed from the course completely. The postive is that students are a lot more used to working alone, without being spoon-fed information. On the down side, medicine is quite a complex area to study and without any guidance its difficult to know if you are going the right way. Junior doctors in the UK are worked very hard. They work long hours and there are many complaints over the pay levels. Then there are further exams and training to go through before specialising in a field. Which is a long and arduous process. Basically it can be very disheartening, so you probably need a lot of motivation. Doesn't sound very pleasant really, does it?? |
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| BrKhalid |
| 05/30/01 at 19:21:40 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Junior doctors in the UK are worked very hard. They work long hours and there are many complaints over the pay levels. Then there are further exams and training to go through before specialising in a field. Which is a long and arduous process. Basically it can be very disheartening, so you probably need a lot of motivation. Doesn't sound very pleasant really, does it??[/quote] It does sound tough. Is it harder for Muslims though because of our deen? Do you need even more motivation? Do you find that your Islam tends to suffer because you work in such a highly pressurised environment? |
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| Spring |
| 05/30/01 at 19:40:50 |
| [slm] Sometimes I have found that I get caught up with the work so much that its diffcult to take a break to do anything. Occasionally the whole day can go by without eating.And prayers slip too. I'm not a doctor yet, so that doesn't happen too often. I think that one of the thing that makes it difficult for muslims is the fact that medicine is so secularised. I don't know if that is the best way of putting it. But there is almost a lack of belief in any higher purpose to our lives. As well as that there is almost a dehumanising of patients, because they are seen as just an illness. Which I find really sad, because medicine is really all about life and about using our skills to help improve a person's life, but if we only look at the physical side of things then we a missing a huge part of that person. I don't know, maybe I'm babbling. |
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| Ruqayyah |
| 05/30/01 at 23:59:58 |
| [slm] [quote] I think that one of the thing that makes it difficult for muslims is the fact that medicine is so secularised. I don't know if that is the best way of putting it. But there is almost a lack of belief in any higher purpose to our lives. As well as that there is almost a dehumanising of patients, because they are seen as just an illness. Which I find really sad, because medicine is really all about life and about using our skills to help improve a person's life, but if we only look at the physical side of things then we a missing a huge part of that person. I don't know, maybe I'm babbling.[/quote] Spring, I'm in my first year of medical school in the US and there has been a shift to valueing the more humanistic side of medicine, at least at our medical school especially. We have to actually have a certain number of credits done in "Human Values in Medicine" or HVM for short to graduate, and they're on all sorts of topics, many of them dealing w/ end of life care and spirituality. (In fact, our Islamic Medical Association inshallah hopes to sponser one called "Treating the Muslim Patient") I went to an HVM recently that is proposing to add a "Spiritual History" in addition to Past Medical History and Sexual History. The speaker really focused on the importance of the physican on initiating a dialogue with the patient on spirituality (organized religion or otherwise). Some questions that are important include, What role does spirituality have in your life?What do you do to help you get through hard times? How would you like me to address spirituality in your life as your health care provider? Are there things you do on a daily, weekly, monthly basis in terms of spirituality? Just basic questions to open up the patient so they feel they can talk about this topic at subsequent visits. I think medical schools here are finally waking up and seeing that religion forms the framework that people builds their lives upon and that as doctors, if we want to treat the whole patient, we better be prepared to address their spiritual needs as well. [wlm] |
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| Spring |
| 05/31/01 at 07:42:18 |
| [slm] Alhamdulillah,that sounds like a very positive shift. Over here there is shift towards seeing the patients holistically,but this doesn't really inclued the spiritual side very much. Tell us more about medical education over there. You are all graduates, I am I right?? |
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| Ruqayyah |
| 05/31/01 at 23:42:31 |
| [slm] This year has been my first year of medical school and we have finals exams starting tomorrow, so inshallah i'll write more after exams are over. please keep me in your dua's! the exam schedule is pretty tough-we only have one cumulative exam for each course at the end of each term, so we've got one shot to pass! [wlm] |
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| Spring |
| 06/01/01 at 06:55:05 |
| [slm] Of course, insha Allah. Hope you pass with flying colours. |
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| taueeya |
| 06/02/01 at 05:08:15 |
| Assalam-O-Alaikum, InshaAllah u'll pass with flying colours Ruqayyah. I don't exactly know the system of examination here in States but I have a feeling that it must be easier than that of ours in Pakistan. I am a graduate, doctor from Pakistan. Just to introduce myself, I recently did my M.B,B.S from Pakistan Alhamdulillah. Do u people have a semester system here in States in medical schools? Wasslam. |
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| Ruqayyah |
| 06/03/01 at 02:09:12 |
| [slm] Thanks for the encouragment. taueeyah, did you have to re-take the exams in the US to be a licensed doctor here? if you did, could you tell us a little bit more about that process? I know someone on the board was asking me about that, and I wasn't quite sure. thanks! [wlm] |
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