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| Muslima-Aktiv |
| 06/03/01 at 18:33:01 |
| Assalamu alaykum dear sisters and brothers I've read in the german news, that the british police is going to employ hejjabi sisters. does anyone know more about it, and does anyone have a full article about that? i was looking in the web for it, but didnt find anything. i would like to translate and publish it on my webpage to make the germans read and learn :-D hehe... assalamu alaykum SisG |
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| BroHanif |
| 06/03/01 at 18:51:29 |
| A.W.W. Yep the British Sisters are gonna carry out Police Operations in thier hijaabs. So look out for em. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1294000/1294417.stm Dont be alarmed though, theres still a long way b4 they get accepted in the SO19s or in the SAS. Salaam Hanif |
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| eleanor |
| 06/04/01 at 04:55:46 |
| slm there was a thread about this in the British Souq a while ago... It wasn't all positive though. Check out the old threads for more details. wasalaam eleanor |
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| Muslima-Aktiv |
| 06/04/01 at 08:28:43 |
| Wa alaykum assalam Jazak-Allahu-Khayran Subhanallah, i couldnt believe it anyways. It is absolutely impossible here in Germany. Even when I saw the sikhs wearing their turban instead of the helmet. Absolutely impossible here. It is really a progress. Does anyone know a sis in the police? I would like to interview her. Or a bro, who can tell us his attitude. I would be very greatful if somone helped me. Jazak-Allahu-Khayran SisG |
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| jehad |
| 06/04/01 at 12:52:03 |
| There are a few women who call them selves Muslim in the police force, and about ten times as much men. The women who lable them selves as Muslim in the met joined before hijab was allowed. I see them all as traitors. Muslim Police officer have been used aganst muslims here, and the brothers who have been beaten up by them have told me they are a lot worse then the kaffars. It will be really strange when women wearing hijab are used to arrest, beat up and confiscate properties of dawa carriers. thats what i expect they will be used for. so when the Muslims complain of islamaphobia the police will bring a officer in hijab to be interviewed by the press. you know the russians are using muslim soldiers in chechnia? |
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| Hadid |
| 06/04/01 at 12:14:42 |
| i'll believe there's situation like in Germany ... but do you all believe if in Indonesia the same situation happen too. you cannot find policewomen wearing hijab (i think there is no one). Not only in police dept. but also in military. in fact, hijab-related incident happened quite often, especially that semi-militaristic school. well .... *sigh* sis Jehad, please don't be su'uzhzhan, be husnuzhzhan. i mean you cannot blame them all. may be it's because dawa didn't reach them yet. may be it's Allah's wish for da'i to boost their dawa. imho, just think positive way. Wallahu a'lam |
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| jehad |
| 06/04/01 at 12:50:28 |
| i am male. :( |
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| se7en |
| 06/04/01 at 12:59:50 |
| [quote] women who call them selves Muslim [/quote] [quote] who lable them selves as Muslim [/quote] [quote]I see them all as traitors.[/quote] as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah, Bro, when were you granted the ability to read people's intentions? Perhaps the sisters (and brothers) who join the police force are doing so in order to *promote* Islam? Perhaps the next time an Amadou Diallo look alike reaches for his wallet a Muslim would hesitate before shooting him in the back.. perhaps the next time a sister refuses to go through an x-ray that reveals flesh beneath clothing a Muslim security guard would be more understanding than one who is not.. I see some benefit in Muslims working these jobs... and I agree (maybe for the first time) with some of your seriously valid point brother jehad.. so I don't know if Muslims in the police force is a good thing.. but my problem is with questioning a person's Islam and labeling Muslims who do this as "traitors"... that's a harsh accusation and those are harsh words.. I'm not going to give you a whole lecture on daawa and the appropriate way to speak to and of our Muslim brothers and sisters (mostly because you've heard it from me so many times already jehad:)) but think about the danger that comes with using such words in reference to a Muslim.. All I'm saying is that until and unless one of these peeps does something deterimental to Islam, don't call a Muslim a "traitor". I cringe when I hear that the same way I do when I heard "uncle tom Muslim"... we got enough problems as it is.. let peeps do what they wanna do fisabilillah and work on the kuffar before you start trashing Muslims... aiite that's enough out of me take care y'all wasalaamu alaykum |
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| jehad |
| 06/04/01 at 13:09:59 |
| The laws they will be inforcing are not islamic laws. this country is not ruled by Islam. |
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| Arsalan |
| 06/04/01 at 14:17:55 |
| [slm] Ditto everything se7en said, however there is a valid point in the midst of all the harshness of jehad's post. Muslims working as police officers in a non-Muslim country. How Islamic is that? I don't know, but I'd be very careful here. We know what Allah says about those who do not rule by Allah's laws (kaafirun, faasiqun, zaalimun). Considering this, people who work for the police, and thus work to enforce laws which are unIslamic (sometimes anti-Islamic), might be putting themselves in a very dangerous situation. The same thing goes for Muslims running for public offices in non-Muslim lands, as well as other law-related posts like chief justices, etc. A scholarly opinion is definitely needed here, and Allah knows best, but I'd be very careful! Wassalamu alaikum |
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| abc |
| 06/05/01 at 10:58:59 |
| Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah Arsalan, just tell me the name of one country that implements Allah's laws a 100%. If its wrong to work as a policeperson because there's no shariah, then I think there wouldn't be a single muslim police man in the entire world! Wallahu a'lam |
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| jehad |
| 06/05/01 at 13:27:06 |
| asalm walakum it is true that there are no countries that have Islam as their soul sorce of law. That does not mean we can work to preserve the laws of another way of life. if you want to be in the police, then help bring back a real islamic state where you can be. In some countries there is a mixture of islamic and non islamic laws, some branches of the police and judicery there only use islam. so it is hallal to work in those branches in those countries. briton is not one of them, the laws down here are completely from kufr. |
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| humble_muslim |
| 06/05/01 at 14:07:14 |
| AA I think it's haram to work as a policeman in the UK. I think some muslims do it out of ignorance. We should not brand such people as "traitors". |
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| Mahmoodah |
| 06/05/01 at 16:22:54 |
| salam, i think its haram 4 both males n females to work in the police force, but specially 4 females. u may hav to touch men, n i think its wrong for both coz its man made law that ur keepin!!! wa-salam |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/05/01 at 19:21:42 |
| slm As a reminder, let's becareful about saying something is halal/haraam without consulting a scholar on the matter. If we don't know, its best to keep silent about a matter. Jazak Allah khairen. |
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| se7en |
| 06/05/01 at 19:28:07 |
[quote]As a reminder, let's becareful about saying something is halal/haraam without consulting a scholar on the matter. If we don't know, its best to keep silent about a matter.[/quote] very well put bhaloo :) |
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| humble_muslim |
| 06/06/01 at 05:42:28 |
| AA Read Mauddodi's views about the halalness/haramness of working as part of any judicial system based on laws other than Allah SWT. He presents the evidence, making it very clear that it haram to work in any part of such a system. |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/06/01 at 09:00:13 |
| slm Here is what Sheikh Munajid said when asked about working in law enforcement in non-Muslim countries: I have a question regarding the permissibility of becoming a law enforcement officer in this country that does no follow sharee 'ah. Is it haraam to be enforcing laws that have not been developed by our Creator Allaah and His holy Prophets (upon whom be peace)? Even if it means enforcing laws on non-Muslims? Partciluarly, is it permissible to enforce a law like punishing someone for speeding on the highway? What about allowing someone to drink alcohol if he is over 21 but not if he is under 21? Even though this is not Islamic, should a Muslim allow such behaviour among non-Muslims? Of course, Muslims will be accountable for these haraam actions in the Hereafter, but is it okay to let non-Muslims do this? Praise be to Allah. If a Muslim is able, through such work, to fight evil and oppression, or to prevent or reduce it by using the existing laws which may contain something of justice and decency, then it is permissible if his intention is to seek the pleasure of Allah. He may do this work even if it involves preventing only some people - but not all - from getting drunk, for example. But if it involves enforcing laws that are unjust to people - whether they are Muslim or not - or enforcing something that goes against the Sharee'ah, like preventing people from wearing hijaab or praying, or giving some kind of protection to criminals, and so on, then this is not permitted at all. The wise and clever Muslim knows from experience to what extent his work is in accordance with the Sharee'ah that is based on the common good and on preventing corruption. And Allaah knows best. ------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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| Saleema |
| 06/06/01 at 20:54:33 |
| i think its haram 4 both males n females to work in the police force, but specially 4 females. I don't know how wise or halal/haram it is for Muslims to work in a non-muslim police force. But one of the objections that is raised in this thread is that these Muslim officers will beat up/harrass their Muslim brothers and sisters who are innocent of any crime. What about Egypt and Jordan? The police force jail the Brotherhood members and abuse them for no reason other than that they are trying to bring back Islam into people's lives through peaceful means. The same could be said for the Pakistani police force. And I wonder what everyone's reaction would be towards converts in the military in any given country? Or the Muslims in the poice force in India? Not trying to start a debate or anything of the like. Just wondering. Interesting issues huh? [wlm] Saleema |
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