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| M.F. |
| 06/13/01 at 11:21:41 |
| assalamu alaikum everybody, I'm trying to learn some new recipes for sauces and such, and I'm finding that almost everything calls for wine. Does anyone have any ideas of what could be used instead? Sometimes I just use water but I don't think it really does it. Shukran Mariam |
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| Lisha |
| 06/13/01 at 20:57:04 |
| walaikum salaam sister, hav u tried vinegar??;) oh n please tell me if u cum across a good recipe:) take care! |
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| Kashif |
| 06/13/01 at 21:04:55 |
| Vinegar?! I'm not master chef.. but vinegar in a sauce? I don't think she's talking about a sauce to go with fish n chips here... LOL |
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| nehar |
| 06/13/01 at 22:17:48 |
| [slm] take the asian way out, lol. stick in double cream, does the trick 4 my mum, lol [wlm] nehar |
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| Saleema |
| 06/14/01 at 00:06:33 |
| [slm] vinegar is a good substitute for wine! :) Try it. and send some food my way. I am hungry right now. And this is coming from and experienced chef. :) Yes, i do like to flattter myself sometimes. ;) [wlm] Saleema |
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| M.F. |
| 06/14/01 at 10:04:51 |
| Hmm, vinigar... I'll try it next time. I'll let you know how it works out. Thank you! Sometimes if it's a sauce that goes with meat I use bouillon (from cubes) instead of wine. It has MSG so it tastes good no matter what :) |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/14/01 at 11:16:21 |
| slm It might be a good idea to list some of the haraam products and halal alternatives for them. Besides vinegar for wine, are there any others? What exactly is MSG? I noticed that a lot of places here say they don't use MSG, because supposedly MSG isn't supposed to be good for you. |
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| Ayla_A |
| 06/14/01 at 12:49:34 |
| Asalaamu alaikum all There is many many types of Vinegar, so depending on the type of wine that the recipe calls for you can get a variety of flavors. For example when I marinate fish I like to use Basalmic vinager it gives a nice hearty flavor to the fish. Salad dressing can use a variety of vinegars depending on the flavor you are looking for. Try it sometimes:) Tracy |
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| Lisha |
| 06/14/01 at 14:59:35 |
| slm, Kashif, vinegar was just a suggestion;) She doesn't hav 2 use it!!!:) w'salaam |
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| Saleema |
| 06/14/01 at 16:40:23 |
| Try using fruit juices as a substitute. If a large quantity is required, mix it 1:1 with water so that you don't oversweeten the dish. Another good substitute for wine or beer in most recipes is a good broth --chicken, beef, or vegetable. The taste won't be quite the same, but it will be quite good anyway. cider, or mineral water may substitue wine. MILK PRODUCTS Icelandic milk is one of nature's bounties, of which its countrymen are rightly proud. Through the centuries, this delicate product has been handled with respect and now, in recent years, with imaginative flair. The Icelandic dairy industry is subject to strict production control and all products must meet the high level of quality expected by the public. The extensive range of Icelandic dairy products means that every possible taste is catered for. Still popular today are the centuries-old Icelandic specialties, "skyr" and "mysa" (whey). Classed as a fresh cheese, skyr is made from skimmed milk and is akin to yogurt, and the German "quark". Whey is a by-product in the making of skyr and is used in the picling of "slátur". Traditionally, mysa was a popular thirst-quencher and still is today. It is also an ideal substitue for white wine when cooking fish. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hope it helps. :) Let me know which ones worked the best for you. [wlm] Saleema |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/14/01 at 20:59:34 |
| slm Wow, it looks like we have some master chefs on the board. I have some questions. I remember attending a company dinner, and this lobster brisque soup was being served but it had cognac in it. I explained to the chef that I needed a soup without any alcohol in it and he gave me one. I don't know what the purpose of the cognac was in the soup, and what substitute should have been used in the soup? Also, I know a popular dessert called Tiriamitsu cake, its a multilayered cake with cream, and is dipped in alcohol and then baked, and is supposed to be extremely popular (but I haven't tried this alcoholic version). A Muslim bakery I went to had this cake, and when I enquired about it, they informed me they used no alcohol to make this cake. What substitute do you think was used to give it the taste of the alcoholic tiriamitsu? |
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| Asim |
| 06/15/01 at 04:03:20 |
| slm [quote]What exactly is MSG? I noticed that a lot of places here say they don't use MSG, because supposedly MSG isn't supposed to be good for you. [/quote] MSG is mono sodium glutumate. It tastes like salt and is used a lot in chinese foods. About MSG being good or not, I have heard both sides so it is hard to say. Some say it is better than regular salt, others say no and mention other health effects also (typical medical confusion!). Just use it in moderation and it should be okay. Wasalaam. |
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| Mona |
| 06/16/01 at 09:59:03 |
| Assalamu alaikum Mariam, call me eccentric, but I'd use unsweetened grape juice as a substitute :) [quote]About MSG being good or not, I have heard both sides so it is hard to say[/quote] For some people, MSG makes them hyper or irritable. Glutamate is an amino acid that also serves as a neurotransmittor acting on glutamate receptors in the nervous system. I don't think there is sufficient research done on MSG to unequivocally prove its harmful effect. But like Asim said, maybe it is better not to over do it with the soy sauce! :D Arshad, I'll post my tiramisu recipe in a new thread insha'Allah. It calls for no baking at all ;-D I think the original receipe includes rum or whiskey, but I can't think how this would enhance the flavour! Wassalam Mona *the biochemist* :) |
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| M.F. |
| 06/16/01 at 14:02:16 |
| Assalamu alaikum, I think it's a great idea to try to find substitutes for haram products. One of the most widely used things in desserts is GELATIN! I know there's a vegetable jelling product that comes from some kind of seaweed. I have seen it in the US, maybe they seel it in healthfood stores. It's called Agar or soemthing like that. What else... Bacon... You can find smoked turkey or chicken that could do the trick... maybe. Any other foods you can think of? |
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| Anonymous |
| 06/16/01 at 14:36:35 |
| Tiramisu normally is made with marsala wine, and espresso. This adds to the flavor, and the moistness. Marsala wine is sweet, so this could be accomplished with a simple sugar syrup. Apparently you can leave out the alcohol and still get good results. I've had the alcoholic version and you really don't taste the alcohol. Rather, the key is the coffee flavor. Here is a website devoted to it in its many forms: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2490/ has a lot of recipes specifically check this one out-- http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2490/rcp-113.htm (although this one's use of butter cookies will surely make a VERY different cake than using ladyfingers, in the original...but it should inspire you anyhow) |
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| Anonymous |
| 06/16/01 at 14:49:29 |
| Asslama'laykum, I cook a lot and I'm quite used to find substitutes for haram ingredients. Some suggested to replace wine with vinegar. However, *do not* use the same amount; if the recipe says 1 cup of wine, use something like 3/4 cup of water and 1/4 cup of vinegar (or maybe less vinegar if you don't want it to taste too strong). If it says to use red wine, you use red vinegar (or balsamic), and for white wine, you use white vinegar. Note that you can't use vinegar as a substitute for wine in every recipe; in some recipes, it simply doesn't work. Also, depending on what you're cooking, you can use unsweetened apple juice as a substitute for white wine (especially for poultry). Finally, someone suggested cider: as far as I know, cider is an alcooholic beverage. wassalam |
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| Saleema |
| 06/17/01 at 02:47:41 |
It's called Agar or soemthing like that. yeah, it's called agar. Cider is alcohol? I guess it depends on what kind. ever tried apple cider? it's good. [wlm] Saleema |
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| Marcie |
| 06/17/01 at 20:54:44 |
| As salamu alaykum Apple cider does contain about 3 -4% of alcohol in it. In the USA this is not mentioned on the label because the FDA does not require it. As for the vinegar you should check what it is made of. We only use white vinegar, because any others that I have read have been oxidized by beer or wine. As salamu alaykum |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/17/01 at 21:50:13 |
| slm I'm a little confused. I thought apple cider and apple juice were the same thing? Can someone confirm this? What is the difference? |
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| Saleema |
| 06/18/01 at 01:42:10 |
| [slm] Dont know bhaloo. I made apple cider once at home. but i hope someone can clarify. cuz i wanted to make it again. [wlm] Saleema |
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| BrKhalid |
| 06/18/01 at 04:51:49 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]I thought apple cider and apple juice were the same thing? Can someone confirm this? What is the difference?[/quote] I would have thought the Chemists on the board would have answered this one already!!! ;-) As far as I remember if apple juice is fermented, the sugur turns to alcohol and the drink is called apple cider. I found the following web page which helps explain the process a bit [url]http://www.calvados-coquerel.com/english/calvados/apple-becomes-cider.htm[/url] |
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| Anonymous |
| 06/18/01 at 09:08:22 |
| Marcie, You *can* use wine vinegar. The reason why the wine has become vinegar is that some bacteria have "eaten" the alcohol contained in it. So there's no more alcohol in it. Wassalam |
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| Anonymous |
| 06/18/01 at 09:10:45 |
| Saleema, apple cider is obtained with the fermentation of the apples, which means it is an alcoholic beverage. Wassalam. |
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| M.F. |
| 06/18/01 at 10:30:44 |
| Assalamu alaikum, As far as i know, vinigar has to pass through the alcohol stage before becoming vinigar. I think all types of vinigar are made the same way, but the original product is what makes it different. Some are made from wines and some from plain grain alcohol. |
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| Mona |
| 06/18/01 at 12:16:11 |
| Assalamu alaikum, This chemist (me) ain't soo good :) as I am not a food chemist. Regular vinegar is actually dilute acetic acid (CH3COOH). This is distinct from the corresponding alcohol (ethanol, CH3CH2OH). So no need to worry. As far as I know, apple cider is fermented apple juice. The percentage of alcohol varies, but it is usually less than 7%. Read the FDA regulations on alcoholic beverages at [url]http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-ind4a.html[/url]. Note that anything with 0.5% or less alcohol is not required to be declared according to FDA. Another complicating issue has to do with some of the substitue sweeteners such as xylitol, mannitol and sorbitol. All of these are classified as sugar alcohols. I wonder how we should treat them? Wassalam |
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| Ayla_A |
| 06/18/01 at 17:22:54 |
| Asalaamu alaikum:) Personally, and Allah forgive me if I give bad information, but I follow the school of thought that if it doesn't get you drunk in large quanities it is okay in small quantities. So even though you can have 1 glass of wine and not be intoxicated, you cannot drink a barrrel of wine and be sober, while with wine vinegar etc, you can drink a glass, barrel, ocean full, and you will not be intoxicated...So I think it is okay to use in all forms. Ma'asalaama Ayla |
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| Lisha |
| 06/18/01 at 20:11:03 |
| slm, I'm not too sure bit i've heard only selected vinegars r halah:) ne ways alot of alcahols r made with apples n grapes, so u must b carefull;) And i do not think it is ok to hav alcohol! w'salaam |
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| Saleema |
| 06/21/01 at 16:28:52 |
| [slm] Oh man. Well, whatever the case i guess i won't be drinking it. It did taste good though--the apple cider i mean, i tried it at a friends and really liked it. i thought alcohol tasted nasty? that's what my friend said, who drinks wine occasionally, she's not muslim of course. but why she drinks it if it's gross is beyond me. and if you drink lots and lots of apple cider can you get drunk? [wlm] Saleema |
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| amatullah |
| 06/21/01 at 18:45:19 |
| Bismillah and salam, Here is a site that has some ingredient subsitutes: http://asiarecipe.com/substitute.html beef or chicken broth supposedly does the job! Here is a fatwa from Islam Q&A (M. S. Al-Munajjid)on the vinegar topic: <<Question: Are wine and spirit vinegar halal? Considering all vinegar is made from oxidising a form of alcohol and that normal vinegar is supposed to be halal? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. Vinegar is a well known basic foodstuff, made from wine of which the composition has changed so that it is no longer sweet but is acidic or sour. Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What a good food is vinegar.” (Reported by Muslim, 3/1623) When wine turns to vinegar by itself, without any deliberate treatment needed for it to be changed, it is permissible to eat, drink and handle it, according to the consensus of the scholars, because of the hadeeth quoted above. But if the wine has become vinegar because of deliberate treatment, by adding vinegar, onions, salt etc., or by any other process, in this case the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differ as to whether it is permissible. If you want to read more, go to the Islam Question and Answer site and do a search for vinegar.>> Also, I remember someone telling me about our beloved pbuh saying to someone who found/had lots of wine not to throw it out and waste it, but to see if he can turn it into vinegar. But don't quote me on it coz I never did research if it is sahih. |
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| M.F. |
| 07/03/01 at 16:27:19 |
| Actually Alya, it's the other way around. Whatever makes you drunk in a large quantity is haram to have even in a small quantity that wouldn't make you drunk. So, even a small amount of wine wouldn't be ok to use. |
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| eleanor |
| 07/11/01 at 06:49:51 |
| slm Cider is like the teenagers first alcoholic drink. Because it tastes good and you get drunk after about two pints of it. Personally I hated it because I drank it once, got drunk on it, and spent the whole next day with my head in the toilet. I could never drink it again. Alcohol *does* taste horrible at first (eg beer) but the more often you drink it the nicer it tastes. It's an acquired taste. Kind of like that bitter root vegetable Crayla. The first time my husband cooked it I hated it, but after eating it a few times I'm starting to like it now. (is that forbidden, using an analogy of something halal to describe something haraam?) wasalaam eleanor |
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| Lisha |
| 07/13/01 at 14:02:50 |
| slm, Any ways there this product thet was said to hav a lil amount of alcohol, and sum ppl claimed it was halal coz that lil bit wont harm, and yeah i think thats not the point, it contains alcohol therefor wouldn't it b saffer to stay awy from??? 1 thing we all 4get is that even through alcohol is haram, it has its good points like its a good healed 4 wounds:) but thats no excuse to drink it (even if its a lil amount;)) take care, w'salaam |
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| Anonymous |
| 07/25/01 at 04:48:23 |
| assalamu alaikum-- On the apple cider/ apple juice issue: I think it's regional dialects that are causing the confusion here. In Britain, apple cider (sometimes called by Americans "hard cider") is a common alcoholic drink. In America, you rarely find alcoholic apple cider, but people often use the phrases "apple cider" and "apple juice" interchangeably. I think technically apple juice has been filtered, while American apple cider still has bits of apple floating in it. Anyway, the alcoholic version in America is sold alongside beer, and it would be hard to mistake it for something halal. Hope that helps! --rachel |
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| Anik |
| 07/25/01 at 09:01:06 |
| A.A. I sit halaal to drink a non-alcolholic beer? As in, tastes the same, looks the same, bottled and packaged the same, but no alcohol? asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,. |
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| jannah |
| 07/25/01 at 09:19:13 |
| wlm, If you look on "non-alcoholic beer" it says it actually has 2% alcohol in it! |
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| mango |
| 07/25/01 at 09:46:34 |
| what exactly is wine supposed to do when you use it in foods. When i'm cooking i just dont see a need for it ...i just leave it out altogether. |
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| Lisha |
| 07/25/01 at 13:24:10 |
| [quote]what exactly is wine supposed to do when you use it in foods. When i'm cooking i just dont see a need for it ...i just leave it out altogether. [/quote]slm, if ur makin things like pickles,it helps preserve;) or eeps in the fresh taste 4 longer then usual:) w'salaam |
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| Mona |
| 07/25/01 at 13:54:02 |
| Assalamu alaikum, sis Lisha, that's what vinegar is usually used for, not wine. I don't think wine is used in making pickles. Hope not anyways :) Wassalam |
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| Sonny |
| 07/25/01 at 15:09:37 |
| Salaams ppl! --I've noticed that a lot of recipies that call for wines and brandies often suggest orange juice as an alternative. But I also wonder about some of those non-alcoholic wines--here the grocery stores offer "sparkling apple cider" and "sparkling grape juice"...just carbonated juices--but they do taste like :o =zippy! =:)--Sonny |
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| Anik |
| 07/25/01 at 19:26:27 |
[quote]If you look on "non-alcoholic beer" it says it actually has 2% alcohol in it! [/quote] isn't that a little high? and plus, isn't it haram if it can get you intoxicated in large quanitites... because even, as we have seen, Coke or Pepsi has SOME alcohol in it. asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,. |
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| jannah |
| 07/26/01 at 02:21:00 |
| wlm, what's haram in large quantities is haram in small quantities... so a little bit of alcohol is still haram. however pepsi/coke as i understand it is changed chemically and whatever it has in it is not considered alcohol.. there was a good article someone posted about it if someone can find it.. and hmm even if you drank a couple'a six-packs of pepsi it's doubtful if you'd get drunk... right se7en :) |
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| se7en |
| 07/26/01 at 02:57:57 |
| [quote]there was a good article someone posted about it if someone can find it..[/quote] Check out [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=madrasa&action=display&num=3818]this[/url] thread. [quote]and hmm even if you drank a couple'a six-packs of pepsi it's doubtful if you'd get drunk... right se7en :)[/quote] that only happened once.. hahaha just kidding :) wasalaamu alaykum, se7en de la link ;) |
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| eleanor |
| 07/27/01 at 14:10:55 |
| slm [quote]what exactly is wine supposed to do when you use it in foods. [/quote] It tastes good!! when you have a gulasch made of venison meat and add red wine ..mmm.. or fish in white wine sauce...mmm... I actually think it's harder for me to give up these sauces and foods with alcohol in them than pork! wasalaam eleanor |
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| amatullah |
| 07/27/01 at 15:13:34 |
| Bismillah and salam, sister se7en wow you getting so deep masha'Allah! links to links hahaha :) sister eleanor, ok alcohol may taste good, and may even have benefits, but we should try to remember Allah said even though that exists that the harm of it outweighs the good. I mean to say like in the hadeeth it is "majami3 alithm" it groups the sins. Just a story. A man soldier was once approached by an enemy and after a lengthy discussion about faith and what not, he was offered either to (pardon the language) to be with a girl or drink. He said he wouldn't want to inflict any of the sins on another person, so he chose the drink. After he got drunk, he raped the girl! (maybe it was just be with her I don't know how it went) Also, just a quick reminder to all of us, beginning with myself. Allah is the sattar, he helps covers up our sins and protects us from our own doings. He helps us live in dignity and with respect. We should not talk about things we did that are wrong unless there is a lesson to be learnt by yourself or for others, because it is like chosing to flaunt what Allah by his mercy chose to keep hidden for our own benefit and others as well. I mean to talk about drinking past and what you liked and what you didn't might effect someone who used to really like it in a negative way if they are struggling with their iman. There is a hadeeth I will try to find it insha'Allah about covering up the sins. |
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| amatullah |
| 07/31/01 at 23:19:44 |
| Bismillah and salam Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: All the people of my Ummah would get pardon for their sins except those who publicize them. And (it means) that a servant should do a deed during the night and tell the people in the morning that he has done so and so, whereas Allah has concealed it. And he does a deed during the day and when it is night he tells the people, whereas Allah has concealed it. |
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