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| What is the Taliban? |
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| MMohammad |
| 06/21/01 at 18:19:04 |
| Salaamun Alaikum, I would just like to share an email with you guys who are pro-Taliban. I didn't want to bring this topic but I couldn't resist and I must show. I am leaving the name of the person out for obvious reasons. Hopefully this will be my last post on this Taliban issue. --- Based on my findings, I have noticed that many people on this message board are *pro Taliban*. Unforunately, it's very sad to say they are not following the right way when they support such a hypocritical group. I happen to know A LOT about Afghanistan due to 3 reasons 1)I am from AFghanistan--and I am always reading news on what is happening there. 2) My dad is very engrossed in the matters of his country and he is always receiving news from various sources....(ie, documented videos, mujaheedns visiting here, friends visiting Afghanistan, etc). 3) Islam tells me they are wrong...the Qur'an and Sunnah--the proof is there. By mentioning the above, I hope you lend me your eyes for a few minutes while I explain to you insha'Allah a better view of them. Al'Hamdulillaah, I have noticed you do not side with them and that is why I am writing you this email (I hope you do not mind). But, I have been reading some people's posts (names not mentioned) and some of what they write is totally erounous! I believe part of the reason is b/c they are eithe rPakistani *which is veyr typical* or they are just jumping the bandwagaon and only looking at them from the outside instead of from the inside. Let's start from history. The ARabian Peninsula (Saudia Arabia, Qatar, U.A.E, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc). How come these countries do not have any problems--they are living peaceful lives and there is no war. Well, the reason for that is b/c America (British, russians, etc) or whatever is supporting them. These countries take protection from other than Allah--the West. ANd, if people don't believe this...tell them to look at history--either that or behind a curtain to find out. Right now there are over 5000 troops guarding Saudi Arabia...their implementation of "Shariah LAw" is not correct since they do not have a established Khilafah and they are following the West. Which brings me to my next point, In AFghanistan right now...there are ARabs, Pakistanis, and Pashtoons (as well as other nationalities) fighting against a country that is 95% Muslim. REcall, our country fought against the biggest super-power--Russia. We did Jihad...so many mujaheeden gave their lives to fight against the kufars. Why is Taliban in our country? Didn't our people get traumaticized enough? Now, who are they fighting against? The greatest mujahid--commander of this time, Ahmad Shah Masood (May Allah SWT give him Jannah..aameen). Why are they fighting against him? B/c they know he is very strong...btw, my father has personal videos of him subhan'Allah he always talks about Allah and what his goal is for Afghanistan or what he envisions the country to be like in a few years. Anyhow, now ask these people on the message board--who is TAliban..who is supporting them? AS I eluded to before, about Saudi and all the gulf regions taking protection from the Westerns (especially U.S. and the Jewish. And, TAliban is supported by these countries. So, now think and reflect who is TAliban. Who is Taliban? Who is Saudi (govt), and the rest of the Gulf regions and who supports them. Behind the curtain U.S. encourages and supports Taliban. How do they say that they are doing good "Shareeh-Law". Fahmy Wahdy one of the famous known scholars from Egypt went to Afghanistan in Sept 1998, and he researched and went to AFghanistan and came back and said, "Taliban is Shaytan and they are working with the shaytans, no Muslim country or person will gain any benefit from them." Now, Taliban wants to wash the Mujaheedens of Afghanistan...the ones who fought against the kufars. For what reason? Afghanistan has turned out to be a graveyard for the AFghanis..which is very disheartening. Ask these people: Do you think during the time of the Prophet SAAS, did he produce drugs, did he guns/tanks aircrafts to drop bombs in villages and burn innocent people's houses? If Prophet SAAS did these things...that Taliban is the right way...and that is applying good shareeh and that is Islam. But you and I know both know he saas did not. I have documented videos that women are crying (muslim women), children crying and they say that Taliban has burnt their houses, killed innocent people, and they separate man from women (amongst the family) and killed and tortured many of the people like animals. Even Allah SWT has said that don't kill innocent people or even hurt a creature. My other point, they have produced 70% of the worlds drugs for money and power. If people are claiming that they are following Islam..then why don't they support the drugs and the killers of all parst of the world?? not just AFghanistan. This is not some over-exaggeration or media hype...these are true facts..and subhan'Allah there is so much evidence and truth about them that people just do not take the time to open thbeir minds, hearts, and eyes to see the haqq!! How can they bring Shareeh or Islam to AFghanistan when they fly the aircrafts, tanks, guns, to kill people and even animals. First Islam is about Rahmah and Ikhlaas. People dont know the history of AFghanistan. Majority of these Pashtoons have control of the country...they were communists and they were the ones that invited and initiated for the Russians to come to our country. Did you know about Pashtoons, the sign of a communist is mustache and now they have beards. They are the same communists and they are killing innocent people the farsi speaking ones. There are pakistani slave of british there...who are fighting against Ahmad Shah Masood. This is not Islam---this is ETHNIC CLEANSING!!! So, they say Ahmad Shah masood is with russians and he is taking help from them (kufars). They are all lying and want the upper hand in power. Ahmad Shah Masood...was the one who fought with the Russians face to face...like a true Mujahid fighting fessabillah...and always in his speeches...say that All;ah SWT created me and gave me strenght and power to fight against the kufars. Want further proof about this???? Russia is the superpower...how can you calucate or judge, think..these Taliban..who supports them? They have caputred all places of Afgahnistan...did they capture any Russian soldiers or military? Off course, no. How can the Russians support Ahmad Shah Masood..and day by day he has lost his authority and he is weak in power of getting that country. Now think, if a superpower is assisting him...shouldn't he have more power in gaining control of that country--all of Afghanistan? Think about what you said...and what I have said. Now, a bunch of Kandharis are gays which is they are addicted to heroine and haseeh...and they have controled all of the country with pakistani support and arab support. So who now is taking support from the westerners??? I hope this answers their questions/doubts!! Some of these arabs are exported to AFghanistan...they are good true muslims but brainwashed by these communists, and some of them are Pakistanis and were caputred by Ahmad Shah Masood and they say "we don't know, what is going on here. but once they got caputred they saw true islam from the commanders and the rahmah they had and they all said, "we really did a big sin staying, supporting taliban and fighting against the true mujahids of ISlam." This is from a documented video I have. Now, Taliban is fighting day and night...they go and capture the lands...without anyonw's knowledge..did they find any Russians when they captured these places? No!!! Ahmad Shah Masood got muslims from Chechnya, Saudi Arabia, lots of Pakistans, etc. Allah SWT says that if a muslim attacks another muslim, they have the right to kill them b/c they came in their land..take the women..force the women to marry and kill their husbands. i have videos..actual videos that you really need to see. Islam is not like this. Islam encourages knowledge, dawah, and unity amongst all the worlds. Allah SWT is Rabal Al Ameen not Rabal SAudi or TAliban. Do you know how damaged they make islam look in America and Europe...that dawah is becoming hard b/c their actions are all totally against Islam. Our country is a Mujahid country...we fougt against the Russins...communists. ? How come some group came in our country and bombed us...are we kufars? They only know about drugs, selling drugs, beat the women, no knowledge, no education...Islam encouraged knowledge and education first. If you are not educated..and women are not educated...how can they educate their children to become good leaders in this country? They want to fool people and decieve people of Islam..they want to create fitna and create their "jahilyah system of Islam." That is what they represent and that is what they stand for. The Pashtoons invived the Communists but they say Ahamad Shah Masood took support from them. The world says that but that is not true. Where is Ahmad Shah's support and money if that was the case. Right now the Pakistanis have taken the ashes of these statues and sold it for millions in Pakistan...and it's in the market. One is in Canada and another one in Sweden. How come they sell the drugs to the world and then they go and kill the true Mujahids like ISmael Khan or Ahmad Shah Masood..they are true Mujahids..feesabillah they fought against Russians and look at the enemies of Islma...(the Taliban) amongst them....they are blind..maybe they didn't know..but when they are captured by the commanders..then they realize the truth. Why doesn't the ARabs go and support the Palestians? Why isn't Osmah Bin Laden in Jereusalm...he is right now supported by the CIA. Why are they in AFghainsta....right now the kaba...and the the regions American is surrounding and protecting that country...now you tell me who should you support..after hearing all of this? The taliban leader said that "I am the Amir of the Mumineen and all the Muslims should respect me." Who is he..no one knows..maybe he is a Jewish rabbi for all we know...do we know? Like a imam in AFghanistan..who used to come to the masjid...and pray and teach people where many pple got decieved and actually he was a british spy and it was found out May Allah SWT help all of us..and always pray to seek knowledge, and to invite people to Islam, bring the muslims together and unite and to show us the truth and keep us away from falsehood. ameen. -- Ws MMohammad |
| Re: What is the Taliban? |
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| Kashif |
| 06/21/01 at 20:34:06 |
| assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah > Based on my findings, I have noticed that many people on this message > board are *pro Taliban*. Unforunately, it's very sad to say they are not > following the right way when they support such a hypocritical group. Dear Br. MMohamed Unfortunately, you have again chosen to ignore everything that i and others have presented to you in recent days and continued to spew out your anti-Taliban views. You have said that this will be your last posting on the Taliban, and seeing that this posting is no different to your previous two (i.e. full of allegations of unproven crimes upon te Taliban) perhaps this is for the best, insha'llah. From the very start you ignored the fact that almost everyone here (including the small number of Afghanis we have here) was seriously raising their eyebrows when you chose to bash the Taliban using the views of 'rawa.' Let me ask you again, how Islamic is it to support a group that symbolises its rejection of the Taliban by throwing off their hijaab? Whats is the link between the two actions? Regarding what you have posted here, I won't respond to everything simply because i don't think you have the answers to respond to arguments that show Taliban in the correct light based on evidence. [quote]I happen to know A LOT about Afghanistan due to 3 reasons 1)I am from AFghanistan--and I am always reading news on what is happening there. [/quote] There are numerous people on this forum and off of it who are Afghani too. Some have family in Afghanistan and others have visited the country itself in recent years. Yet not a single one of them makes the accusations that you do. [quote]3) Islam tells me they are wrong...the Qur'an and Sunnah--the proof is there. [/quote] Really? Then how come this posting of yours was void of any reference to an ayah or hadith? [quote]But, I have been reading some people's posts (names not mentioned) and some of what they write is totally erounous! [/quote] Insha'llah we will see who is the erroneous one. [quote]I believe part of the reason is b/c they are eithe rPakistani *which is veyr typical* or they are just jumping the bandwagaon and only looking at them from the outside instead of from the inside.[/quote] What does being Pakistani have to do with understanding this issue? [quote]Which brings me to my next point, In AFghanistan right now...there are ARabs, Pakistanis, and Pashtoons (as well as other nationalities) fighting against a country that is 95% Muslim. [/quote] So you're saying that a handful of foreigners is fighting 95% of the entire country. Are you serious? [quote]Why is Taliban in our country? Didn't our people get traumaticized enough? Now, who are they fighting against? The greatest mujahid--commander of this time, Ahmad Shah Masood (May Allah SWT give him Jannah..aameen). Why are they fighting against him? B/c they know he is very strong...[/quote] You make it sound as if the Taliban are all foreigners?! The Taliban are Afghanis for the most part. And what about Mullah Omar? Will you now accuse him of being a closet Arab or a closet Pakistani? And if Masood is so strong how come he has no control over 95% of the country? Then you've posted: [quote]Ask these people: Do you think during the time of the Prophet SAAS, did he produce drug ... My other point, they have produced 70% of the worlds drugs for money and power... If people are claiming that they are following Islam..then why don't they support the drugs and the killers of all parst of the world?? not just AFghanistan.[/quote] And there can be no doubt that you believe this to be a fact, because it continues: [quote]This is not some over-exaggeration or media hype...these are true facts..and subhan'Allah there is so much evidence and truth about them that people just do not take the time to open thbeir minds, hearts, and eyes to see the haqq!! [/quote] Let us see what others have to say about this: "Fields that, according to the United Nations, last year provided three-quarters of the world's supply of heroin have not been planted this year on the orders of the Taliban, the Islamic fundamentalists who control 95% of the country. The result is that Afghanistan, which last year produced 3,200 tonnes of opium, will probably produce barely 200 tonnes this year. "Experts in the drug trade describe the decision not to plant the fields for this year's harvest as an 'historic event', unparalleled in the illegal narcotics business." http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4205457,00.html "The United Nations Drug Control Programme says opium production in Afghanistan - the world's biggest producer - has been almost completely eradicated. "According to the UN, over a two year period, vast tracts of land which were used to grow opium poppies have now been turned over to wheat production, a change which means this year's opium harvest is likely to be negligible." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1174000/1174069.stm "The Taleban authorities have renewed their threat to punish all Afghan farmers who grow opium poppies or cannabis. "In what the BBC correspondent in Afghanistan calls the strongest warning so far, the Taleban leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, said people disobeying the cultivation ban would have their crops confiscated, with no right of appeal. "He said the authorities would take measures even against farmers in opposition-held territories if their land fell under Taleban control." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_997000/997048.stm "We are not just guessing. We have seen the proof in the fields," said Bernard Frahi, regional director for the UN program in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He laid out photographs of vast tracts of land cultivated with wheat alongside pictures of the same fields taken a year earlier--a sea of blood-red poppies." http://www.chicago.tribune.com/version1/article/0,1575,SAV-0102160251,00.html [quote]i have videos..actual videos that you really need to see. [/quote] with facts like those presented here, one wonders what is on these videos. [quote]They only know about drugs, selling drugs, [/quote] In face of the documentation above, will you admit that the Taliban are not the major drug-sellers that you believe they are MMohamed? [quote]Why doesn't the ARabs go and support the Palestians? [color=red]Why isn't Osmah Bin Laden in Jereusalm...he is right now supported by the CIA. [/color][/quote] Aside from the lack of evidence here again, are you brave enough to say this out loud in the masajid of your city? you may find that your opinion is in the minority.... Answer this please: didn't Usama b. Laden & other Pakistani's and Arabs fight in the Jihad to rid Afghanistan of the Russians? [quote]The taliban leader said that "I am the Amir of the Mumineen and all the Muslims should respect me." Who is he..no one knows..maybe he is a Jewish rabbi for all we know...do we know? [/quote] Maybe you're a Jewish Rabbi? I don't know. No one on this board knows who you are. But 95% of Muslim Afghanistan knows of Mullah Omar & is under his rule and doesn't suggest takfeer on him. Even countless brothers and sisters who live as far afield from Afghanistan as the UK & the US won't suggest takfeer on him. MMohamed, I would ask you to respond to what has been brought up in these discussions by pointing us to REAL proofs. Not just friends of the father of someone whose e-mail you have, but REAL evidence. You have three times made baseless allegations against the Taliban, you've accused them of being kuffaar, slandered their name and reputation without a single shred of evidence, and the absurdity of what you are saying is not making you look good. May Allah guide us & all people. Ameen. Kashif Wa Salaam PS Further resources: Dr Israr Ahmed's visit to Afghanistan http://www.iviews.com/scripts/articles/stories/default.cfm?id=11009&category_id=40 |
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| BroHanif |
| 06/22/01 at 07:41:32 |
| A.W.W. [quote] So, they say Ahmad Shah masood is with russians and he is taking help from them (kufars). They are all lying and want the upper hand in power. Ahmad Shah Masood...was the one who fought with the Russians face to face...like a true Mujahid fighting fessabillah...and always in his speeches...say that All;ah SWT created me and gave me strenght and power to fight against the kufars. Want further proof about this? [/quote] Brother M Mohammed and any others I ask you this question I have proof and real truth about Ahmed Shah Masood. If you really believe your view come to Dewsbury, and I'll introduce you to my scholar friends who know Ahmed Sha's Brother Masood personaly. Who ever wants to come let him or her come, we will show our proof. And then you will know what that Taliban are fighting against. Dear Brother M Mohammed, please think to what you are posting. If you thinkn the Taliban are hard, think of Hazrat Umar who was even harder and more stricter. The Taliban are doing a good job they are attacking the foundations of our very society that is evil. Ask yourself would you build a house on a beach(sand) or would you build on high stable ground. ??? Everyone would build a house on stable ground why, becuase the foundation of sand is no good. Thats why the Taliban are doing dawah at the very foundations of Islam, they have stopped the TV, the music,the adultery, free mixing of men and women, the drinking of alcohol, selling of drugs, etc etc, because it is from this that society can go wonkey donkey. The reason people find their version of Islam hard included me is that we have strayed so far from deen that we really find it hard to accept what they are trying to introduce. We can't bear to get rid of the Satanlite, we can't bear to look like our prophet i.e. keep a beard, we can't bear to wear a purdah because we like to expose our bodys, we can't bear to keep our nazr down becuase we like looking at the opposite sex, we love clubbing and dancing, we can't bear to pray namaz because we can't be bothered, we love to drink and take drugs, we love zinah and adultery, we hate zakah, we love this and that but we don't like the common sense Islam. This is why we find it hard to live as real muslims and accept the real islamic way of life. Our character(the greatest form of dawah) is so messed up that we ask people to look in kitabs and the quran instead of looking at us as muslims, because we like to do so much of the above. In the time of the shabahs, people used to become muslim by looking at them they dind't say here mate heres the Quran read and accept Islam. Many people did bayah and accepted Islams at the hands of Hazrat Abu Bakr And Hazrat Umar, because of their character, because these people were the real gems of Islam, they acted upon every word of the Quran, Sunnah and Hadith. And now when the Taliban try to implement the very same thing, the enemies of Islam lable them everything evil. How sad. May Allah give me, you and all present members of this board hidayat. Salaam |
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| Saleema |
| 06/22/01 at 18:31:06 |
| and Pashtoons (as well as other nationalities) fighting against a country that is 95% Muslim. Pashtoons are Muslims! and they fought against the Russians too. The majority of Afghanis are pathans! And what is this complain about Pakistanis fighting in Afghanistan? A lot of these pakistanis are pathans. And those that aren't, they have every right to be there because they are Muslims. Pakistanis gave their lives in the war agains Russia too. They didn't go there as pakistanis but as Muslims. My uncle was killed in the Russian-Afghanistan war. My uncle was in the Pakistani military. The Russians were angry with Pakistan because scores of people were going from there in Afghanistan and joining the Afghani mujahideen. So the Russian planes decided to scare the pakistani government by bombing one of the military bases. My uncle was on duty and he shot down their plane before being killed. That made internation news. I don't like your comment about pathans. You make it seem as if they don't belong in Afghanistan. Even though i'm pakistani, i still have strong ties to Afghanista, half of my tribe is there: The Mashwanis. So if i wanted to go and join the mujahideen for some reason, I have every right to do so. First as a Muslims and then because half of my tribe is there. Anyhow, now ask these people on the message board--who is TAliban..who is supporting them? AS I eluded to before, about Saudi and all the gulf regions taking protection from the Westerns (especially U.S. and the Jewish. And, TAliban is supported by these countries. Oh really? This is quite funny really. I am very amused. :) For your and your friends information Masood went to France not too long ago looking for support against the Taliban, which they lavished on him very diligently. The US and Russia support Masood. Let me remind you brother, France is a kaffir country. If you use proof of support by the western powers as a basis for calling muslims kaffir then what does that make masood? Russia is the superpower...how can you calucate or judge, think..these Taliban..who supports them? They have caputred all places of Afgahnistan...did they capture any Russian soldiers or military? Off course, no. How can the Russians support Ahmad Shah Masood..and day by day he has lost his authority and he is weak in power of getting that country. Now think, if a superpower is assisting him...shouldn't he have more power in gaining control of that country--all of Afghanistan? Russia is no longer a Superpower. They can hardly feed their own soldiers. They economy is in shambles. Pick up "The Ecomnomist" and "Times" and you will find this mentioned more than likely in any That is a well known fact that even a first grader knows. Russians support them with weapons (not much though), but most of all they give them moral support. If your friend follows news so closely he should know that. If your friend knows anything about how wars work, he would not make the absurd claim that since no Russians were captured in Afghanistan that they [wlm] Saleema |
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| Anonymous |
| 06/23/01 at 02:00:21 |
| Assalamu-alaiy-kum regarding a brother mohammeds answers on the taliban subject. I just don't understand why is it that we the muslims brothers and sisters don't believe the words of our own oppressed muslim ummah. Has any of us seen the hardships thse people have seenor felt was our owm flesh and blood raped and mutilated in front of our eyes did we see our fathers being killed and laughed upon while the kuffar stared at us with a look of satisfaction I don't think so!! these people have suffered long and hard and they have realised the only success is by following the commands of Allah s.w.t. and his beloved prophet and to think that what they are putting in to practice is considered oppresssion. What is oppression?? To abide by an islamic law is oppression to wear a veil is oppression to me it's the biggest liberation in all the world. What a society we live in covering yourself is considered not normal but walking around half naked is what a joke! Oh! and that comment about taliban killing innocent people what about the u.s.a. that that tore the country in half with thier nuclear weapons and bombs. They refuse to give a poor country food rations but will encourage the spending of millions of dollars on the restruction of idols which are made of clay. The value of a statue is more important than the life of a child which is alive and breathing. May Allah forgive our sins and show us the right path and may he help the destitute and the needy and he show us mercy Ameen. wasalaam, your sister in Islam |
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| Saleema |
| 06/23/01 at 23:11:00 |
| [slm] Let me finish my sentence. I had to go somewhere so i didn't bother finishing it: "he would not make the absurd claim that since no Russians were captured in Afghanistan that they aren't supporting them." [wlm] Saleema |
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