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| Saleema |
| 06/27/01 at 18:55:44 |
War & Crises in World of Islam by Brigadier (retd) Usman Khalid At this moment in time, the Muslim are fighting wars for liberation/survival in Palestine and Kashmir. But three of the largest Muslim countries that could have helped fight these wars - Turkey, Pakistan and Indonesia - are in the grip of political crises. The irony is that the crisis in all these countries has no internal cause or popular base; the crises have been engineered by their erstwhile American friends. The Governments of the three countries are much too eager to please the USA even though the Americans themselves do not know what do they want and why? They do not need to defy America or stand up to it; they need to ignore it and focus on meeting the challenge on their doorstep. Turkey has popular political party with a popular agenda. It was called the Rifah Party, then the Fazilat Party, and now all its members in the parliament sit as independents after the Supreme Court in Turkey outlawed it because it does not meet the requirements of its 'secular constitution.' The problem in Turkey is that its armed forces have appointed themselves custodians of such an absurd view of Secularism which sees piety, modesty and adherence to Islamic beliefs and practice as a threat to the state. Such an interpretation of Secularism would be held unlawful in USA or any country of West Europe. But Turkey is encouraged to persist in the absurdity. Fortunately, Turkey does not have an external enemy and its internal crisis has been engineered entirely by the IMF. Ironically, it makes the return of Rifah back to power inevitable. The Army leadership has to think how far it would go and how long it could defy the will of the people. Turkey does not want help, nor does it want to extend any help to the Muslim Ummah. It would change by itself in its own time. Pakistan is formidable fortress of Islam. It is a nuclear power; it has large and well equipped, battle tested modern armed forces comparable to the best in the world. It is the neighbour of two Islamic revolutions - in Iran and Afghanistan - and is host to Jihad in Kashmir. It is also the neighbour of India - a country whose populace is ready and willing to engage in genocide of Muslims inside India and subversion and invasion of neighbouring countries. Having become a strategic partner of the USA and an overt ally of Israel, it would be the cutting edge of any instrument deployed against Islam and Muslims in the coming years. Pakistan is more than a match for India militarily but its system and leadership have proved to be unequal to the task. Pakistan needs visionary leadership and wherewithal of resisting economic subversion by the IMF and political subversion by India. There are no real impediments in the way of Pakistan being transformed from being a problem to becoming an important part of the solution of the problems of the Muslim Ummah. The Indonesians are the largest Muslim nation; their numbers are estimated to be around 250 million. Over thirty years of Suharto rule, the country made rapid economic progress. But the politico-economic culture it developed was based on victimisation of the Chinese enterprises and encouraging Hindu enterprises and Christians in the government including the armed forces. While the Muslim elite grew wealthy by corruption, viable enterprises remained in foreign hands. All the levers of real power - economic as well military - are is foreign or secular hands. President Vahid is a US protégé and his constitutional heir Vice President Sukarnoputri is even more so. Indonesia is in a real mess. With all departments of the Government thoroughly infiltrated by Americans, it is completely paralysed. The country is disintegrating rapidly even though it is essentially a rich country that has no external enemy. Like in Pakistan, all it needs is to accept and operate Islam as the basis of its national solidarity. While Turkey will resolve its situation itself, Indonesia needs the Muslim World to hold its hand. Pakistan has the potential to affect the outcome of both wars and resolve its own problems as well as that of Indonesia. The problem of Pakistan is the opposite of that of Turkey. Pakistan is an Islamic Republic but it does not have the like of a Rifah Party. Islam is the basis of the national solidarity of Pakistan but it is different to Iran, Afghanistan or Sudan. Pakistan was established as a post imperial Islamic state founded on Tauheed - the operating principles of which are Freedom, Equality and Solidarity. But Pakistan lost its way and became apologetic about its purpose and mission. The Western democratic revolution, heralded by the French Revolution, was founded on similar values - Liberty, Equality and Fraternity. But these were not a suitable as props for the practise of imperialism and colonialism. Over time, Secularism and Democracy came to be held as the foundation of Western Civilisation and sold as fundamental and universal values. We need to resist the subversive influence of Western culture and recognise that Islamic political culture continues to be pure and loyal to its foundation of Freedom, Equality and Solidarity. We should resurrect pride in our polity and reject the subversion pedalled as party political democracy. (The writer is the leader of Al-Ansaar based in London which campaigns for 1) Presidential form of government in Pakistan, 2) Liberation of Jammu and Kashmir by Jihad, 3) Union of Pakistan and Afghanistan on terms that transforms the latter from a barrier to a bridge to Central Asia). |
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| BroHanif |
| 06/28/01 at 08:06:50 |
| A.W.W. [quote]Pakistan is more than a match for India militarily[/quote] I find this hard to belive, India has more more nuclear arsenal than Pakistan. More military personnel and armoury and is backed not only by America but also by Russia. Pakistan has an understanding with China in terms of military matters. As for our countries, well nothing new. Two things run the world, oil and rubber. Oil produced by Mid East countries, rubber(tyres, produced by Indonesia and Far East countries. No surprise to anyone that the industry is regulated and controlled by non islamic countries. Salaams Hanif |
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| nawaz |
| 06/28/01 at 12:48:26 |
| Assalam Alaikum Allah (swt) sent the prophet Mohammed (saw) as mercy to mankind. This message He (saw) brought takes mankind from living in the depths of kufr into the light and truth of Islam. It is our responsibility to work to ensure that the deen of Allah(Swt) is made the highest by implementing Allah(swt) Shariah on this earth. Implementing the Shariah not only in the individualistic sense, but rather collectively by re-establishing the Khilafah. The aqeedah of Islam is not only a spritiual aqeedah that only deals with the afterlife. Rather the Islamic Aqeedah political aqeedah built upon a spritiual basis i.e worshiping Allah(swt). As long as this Aqeedah that came to deal with lifes affairs remains in books rather than implemented in all aspects of life, the world will be in war and crises. The solution from the darkness of kufr that we live in today is the implemtation of Islam in the Khilafah. Only then will be able to bring mankind from the darkness into the Light of the Haq. |
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| Saleema |
| 06/28/01 at 13:18:33 |
| [slm] The right kind of environment would have to be ther before you can even think about the khalifah. And we are far from it. Frankly, I don't get all this rhetoric about the khalifah. How are you going to achieve such a thing? When? And who's going to believe in the khalifah? The khalifah isn't some kind of magic being who would make everything right just by people giving him the title "khalifah." [wlm] Saleema |
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| Kashif |
| 06/28/01 at 20:03:00 |
| assalamu alaikum Did anyone else get the feeling that the article was 'bigging' up Pakistan as a very, very good Islamic place? Anyone who has been to Pakistan (or certain places in Pakistan) will know that it isn't exactly the "formidable fortress of Islam" as the article describes; and you'd be pulling my leg if you described it as an "Islamic state founded on Tauheed." Look at the tremendous amount of grave worshipping and saint-revering that goes on there (cf. Data Darbaar in Lahore). Probably every road in Pakistan has a few people wearing a ta'weez, not to mention three or four jinns who hide under rocks and behind trees and are waiting to possess people whose relatives are about to migrate to the West and who will tell us about their sister-in-law who got possessed and then started beating up 10 men all in one go. Kashif Wa Salaam NB. I basically agree with Saleema on her point about the Khalifa. |
| NS |
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| BroHanif |
| 06/28/01 at 20:24:45 |
| A.W.W. Brother Kashif, seriously man what you on? I know the post was a bit nationalist side but it dosent mean you dish the dirt by making a general statement on my brothers and sisters over there, in Pakistan. And as for wearing taweez there is nothing wrong with it, provided you don't do shirk. The enemies of Islam know the strenghts of the muslims i.e. that is in unity, however, they also know that weaknesses of the muslims is that they will kill each other first before they unite because every one of the muslims today thinks they are the ONLY one ones currently on the Ahlay Sunnah wal Jammah. That is what is happening today, we number 1.2 billion but instead of looking at our strengths we immediatly look down on others and think that we are it. All todays muslims are good at it seems is critisize and critisizee, no actions put forward to create a change. This board is meant to be a support board, however some of the inhabitants of this board can't even get that right. It seems its a daily jihad just to get the point across that we are there to support each other, we've got real problems in this ummah and the best we can do is open our razor sharp tongues and keyboards and cut each other up. I wait for the hour to come.... May Allah save me and all the Muslims. |
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| Saleema |
| 06/29/01 at 00:32:53 |
| [slm] Ok. Let's get this straight first: We all love each other. No fighting! :) well, Inshallah, i will answer to Kashif's post and Fernando Rodriguez's post as well tomorrow. [wlm] Saleema |
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| Kashif |
| 06/29/01 at 21:34:30 |
| assalaamu alaikum I didn't want to prolong this discussion unnecessarily, but a few items of news dropped on my lap this morning which i thought i'd share, in addition to my own comments. [quote]And as for wearing taweez there is nothing wrong with it, provided you don't do shirk.[/quote] I don't understand - what other reason is there for wearing a ta'weez other than shirk? I've never heard a case of anyone wearing a ta'weez for any other reason except to gain some benefit directly or indirectly through wearing it, whether that is the false belief that it heals, or removes the jinn or something else. Bilal Philips has a chapter on ta'weez in his book 'The Fundamentals of Tawheed.' [quote]This board is meant to be a support board, however some of the inhabitants of this board can't even get that right. It seems its a daily jihad just to get the point across that we are there to support each other, we've got real problems in this ummah and the best we can do is open our razor sharp tongues and keyboards and cut each other up.[/quote] I was just commenting on the fact that Pakistan isn't the land of Islam & Tauheed as the article sort of implied. Apart from the Data Darbar in Lahore do you know what other activities Pakistanis and Indians are engaging in, in these very days that are upon us? Let me quote (my emphases)... "About a hundred thousand Hindus and Muslims have gathered for a week-long religious festival on the border between Pakistan and India. The pilgrims are celebrating the life of a holy man Baba Daleep Singh Manhas, who lived 300 years ago and is revered by both Hindus and Muslims." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1414000/1414851.stm What will they do there? .... "Thousands of Indians and Pakistanis have gathered at the Kashmir border to celebrate an annual festival at a holy shrine. The shrine, located on the Indian side of the border, is revered by people of all faiths, who believe it has miraculous healing powers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_813000/813337.stm Pakistan isn't a lost cause by any means - there is a lot of good going on there. But a lot of effort is required to remove the evils that are inherent within. I don't believe that the solution or even partial solution to our problems is to only concentrate on the good things and gloss over the mistakes that are there. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| BroHanif |
| 06/30/01 at 20:11:02 |
| A.W.W. [quote]And as for wearing taweez there is nothing wrong with it, provided you don't do shirk.[/quote] I don't understand - what other reason is there for wearing a ta'weez other than shirk? I've never heard a case of anyone wearing a ta'weez for any other reason except to gain some benefit directly or indirectly through wearing it, whether that is the false belief that it heals, or removes the jinn or something else. Bilal Philips has a chapter on ta'weez in his book 'The Fundamentals of Tawheed.'[/quote] Brother Kashif I'm being polite in saying you are really not the judge or the jury. There are numerous scholars who are better than me certainly, I don't about you, who say wearing a tawaaz is nothing wrong. You know what your problem is Bro ? You make a general statement on something that perhaps you are perhaps not qualifed to give. Have you studied the laws of Fiqh ???? My scholar friends have spent 8 years in Deoband, yes this is the very Deoband where the very same Taliban have spent years in learning about Islam. My scholar friend has spent a lot of time in explaining to me about taweez and on what conditions they are allowed. So please don't become so bashful in declaring yet another general statement 'saying they are not allowed'. And lets return to my your first post [quote]Look at the tremendous amount of grave worshipping and saint-revering that goes on there (cf. Data Darbaar in Lahore). Probably every road in Pakistan has a few people wearing a ta'weez, not to mention three or four jinns who hide under rocks and behind trees and are waiting to possess people whose relatives are about to migrate to the West and who will tell us about their sister-in-law who got possessed and then started beating up 10 men all in one go.[/quote] Isn't this another general statement. Look at your words in particular [quote]Probably every road in Pakistan has a few people wearing a ta'weez, [/quote] Oh now, so every few Pakistanis are wearing ta'weez which you have termed as Shirk, so now they are not even termed as muslims in your eyes ??? Seriously man, consider what you say. I'm not disagreing with you about the Shrines, or the Data Darbar in Lahore, but why can't we look at the good for example, The tabligh Jammat, the help that Pakistanis give to the Mujahideen(taliban), the army itself, the introduction soon of Islamic banking etc etc. Shouldn;t we work with these groups to establish the correct haaq ?? Or shall we just become despair, sad and angry with the constant news of evil being commited and don't look towards the future ? |
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| Kashif |
| 07/01/01 at 04:29:44 |
| assalaamu alaikum OK the generalisation about every few people wearing ata'weez was wrong. Now out of curiosity as opposed to wanting to argue, what are some of the conditions under which it is allowed to wear a ta'weez? Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| BroHanif |
| 07/01/01 at 19:08:55 |
| A.W.W. [quote]Now out of curiosity as opposed to wanting to argue, what are some of the conditions under which it is allowed to wear a ta'weez?[/quote] Insha-allah if allah wills I will try to answer your question soon Bro Kashif. I will consult my scholar friends and then post accordingly. Salaams, Hanif |
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| Saleema |
| 07/02/01 at 15:51:31 |
| Did anyone else get the feeling that the article was 'bigging' up Pakistan as a very, very good Islamic place? The article was saying that Pakistan has the potential to be like that, not that it is one right now. By the term fortress I think that what he meant was that in case Islam is threatened, like it is in Kashmir and Palestine, Pakistan has the ability to defend itself because of their nuclear power. you'd be pulling my leg if you described it as an "Islamic state founded on Tauheed." Pakistan *was* founded on Tauheed, but Pakistan lost it's direction very early on. As far as the environment and who it could be, to my limited understanding, the hadith qudsi, may allah t'allah protect me from relaying inaccurately, Imam Mahdi, alayhi salam, was to unify the Ummah again, only to preceed Hadrat Isa, alayhi salam. And as far as what is described in the hadith qudsi, the environment for these events appears to be now a days, and that it may be best to "sit under a tree and await the hour." God knows best if it is the time of al-Mahdi. Yes, we have the signs from the ahadith, but can one still be sure? Not even the Messenger of Allah (S) knew when the last days would be on earth. We know some of the things that will happen but not all, that knowledge is with Allah alone. All these groups out there preaching the return of the Khalifah are wasting thier time and money. Why not get people excited about something else that is more practical? For there to be a Khalifah, all the Muslim states would have to join. How many Muslims countries actually want that? Forget about the current governments, but how many people want that? And let's say that somehow it happened by some miracle, then islamic law would be implemented. You would have thousands of Muslims opposed to it and not willing to follow it. They don't want to follow Islamic rules on their own right now, do you think they will want to follow it when someone is forcing them to do so? There will be internal turmoil and the countries will split up again, we will become our own worst enemies, forget about the non-Muslims! Right now, all these Islamic groups in all these Islamic countries need to work in their own way to bring Islam back into the people's lives. When the masses want a khalifah, that's when these pro-khalifah groups need to do something about it. (mind you, not give speeches about the khalifa, but do something to achieve it.) [wlm] Saleema |
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| nawaz |
| 07/03/01 at 10:37:01 |
| Assalam Alaikum Sister, the work for Khilafah is an obligation from Allah(swt). The number of texts are numerous. The ahkam is very clear and there is no dispute with regards to ruling by Islam under the khilafah. From this point of view, if the implemtation of Islam is an obligation, then surely the work to establishing the khilafah is also an obligation. As muslims we must restrict our action to what Allah (swt) has commanded. Therefore is Allah(swt) has made the establishment of the khilafah an obligation, who are we to say that is not. Furthermore we are responsible for its work. Wether we establish it or not is in that hands of Allah(swt)for the victory is from Allah(swt). Furthermore if we look to the seerah of the prophet Mohammed(saws), he faced torture, isolation, abuse and many other hardships. Did he abandon his call for something "more practicle". What about when he was approached by his uncle who advised He(saws) to quiten his call, the response of Muhammed(saws) was narrated that "if you put the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left, I will never compramise this call". To say that we need to engage in other activities other than the work to establish the khilafah , we need to bring forward evidences from the Shariah. One final point I wish to address, the world has reached a point where our rulers have to capture, torture and kill those people who work to establish the khilafah. The example of Uzbekistan shows the point very clearly. They try everything to stop this call. They infect our minds with concepts of individualism i.e perfect yourself, the khilafah will never return, Islam cannot be implemented in this day and age. While this ummah hold concepts such as these, the khilafah will never return. The work of these Islamic movements is to correct and purify the Islamic thoughts and concepts in the minds of the ummah. Remember Ahlah (Swt) says in Surah Al-Nur verse 55: "Allah has promised to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land inheritors (of power) as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their Deen, the one which He has chosen for them. And that He will change their state after fear, in which they lived in, to one of peace and security; they will worship Me (alone) and not associate anything with Me. If any do reject faith, after this, they are the rebellious and wicked." |
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| Saleema |
| 07/03/01 at 15:18:29 |
| [slm] Dear brother Nawaz, You are putting words in my mouth. You have completely misunderstood my post. Please read it again. [wlm] Saleema |
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| PacificBreeze |
| 07/03/01 at 16:05:51 |
| salaams, i haven't read the article yet but i saw some pak bashing. :p pak's alot more ISLAMIC (well quite) than many other muslim countries..ppl still practice..ppl r still conservative..etc etc.. it has it's share of problems..but there's still a large islamic presence there as well..n they have their own islamic institues n orgs n programs to rectify the probs etc..(dawah n correct islamic knowledge to the general mass)..n ofcourse there are ups n downs...i've seen the differences btwn the yrs when i went over some yrs back..however, pak's still not as bad ..it's just catching up slowly to the rest of the western corrupted world.. ws. |
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