Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
| Women and Prayer |
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| Sister |
| 06/30/01 at 18:04:13 |
| [slm] Assalaam Alaikum, I am a newie here, but I do hope some one can help me!! :-) I have been a muslim for six years Alhamdulillah, and I have been praying all this time. Only recently I have come to question the way I was taught to pray in my positions. I learnt from a book myself. As a sister, I have always placed my hands across my chest, as opposed to the men placing their hands across their stomach, but where is the evidence for this??? I cannot find any at all. Also when women are in sajdah, do they do this different from men? I only just found out yesterday from this site, Alhamdullillah, that you shouldn't place your forearms on the ground in sajdah, which I have always done!! :-( I am really actually a little ashamed at having to ask these questions, especially since I have been a muslim for a while, and am a mum of three little ones, and am teaching them to pray with me. But I guess if i never ask, and look for knowledge, I'll never learn! Please help if you can! ??? [wlm] |
| Re: Women and Prayer |
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| Marcie |
| 06/30/01 at 18:30:05 |
| As salamu alaykum Sister, No need to worry about the question. There are different times in my life as a Muslim that I have gone and changed/modified how I pray. A book that I would recommend is The Prophet's Prayer described from the Beginning to the End as Though You See It by Al-Albaani. It really helped me to reform my prayer. As salamu alaykum Marcie |
| Re: Women and Prayer |
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| Spring |
| 06/30/01 at 19:17:12 |
| [slm] Dearest sister You will probably know this already, but within Islam, sometimes there is space for different interpretations of the same thing. In the same way within prayer, the scholars of this ummah have derived through looking at all the evidences from Qur'an and Sunnah, the method of prayer. They have used meticulous methods to decide on the finer details of where to put your hands in prayer etc. Sometimes there are slight differences betwen the scholars. But on the main issues all scholars agree. For example, that there are two Rak'ah in the Fard prayer of Fajr. For many years I went around informing sisters that it was wrong to place your forearms on the ground, on the basis of the hadith that you have mentioned. Only to find out recently that it is the way for women to pray, as taught by the Hanafi scholars. This may seem surprising, yet don't forget that we can not interpret Ahadith as we wish. This is something that requires a certain very high level of knowledge and understanding, so that a hadith can be understood in its proper context. During some recent classes on prayer etc, our teacher told us that in the past the scholars never argued about issues such as where to place your hands in prayer. It may be a good idea if you check out your prayer with some knowledgeable sisters. Allah hu 'alam Hope its useful |
| Re: Women and Prayer |
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| assing |
| 06/30/01 at 19:26:42 |
| As salaamu alaykum, these two previous posts by these two sisters could not have been expressed in a better manner, may Allah bless them for guiding you to that which is correct. However just to complement to they told you, the following article by Shaykh Muhammad Naasirud Deen Al Albaanee may also be of assistance: Are There Differences in Men And Womens Prayer? Shaykh Muhammad Naasirud Deen Al Albaanee says: All that has been mentioned of the description of the Prophet's prayer (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) applies equally to men and women, for there is nothing in the Sunnah to necessitate the exception of women from any of these descriptions; in fact, the generality of his statement (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), "Pray as you have seen me praying", includes women. This is the view of Ibraaheem an-Nakh'i, who said, "A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's" - transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/75/2), with a saheeh sanad from him. Also, Bukhaari reported in at-Taareekh as-Sagheer (p. 95) with a saheeh sanad from Umm ad-Dardaa', "that she used to sit in her prayer just as a man sits, and she was a woman of understanding." The hadeeth about the indimaam (tucking up) of a woman in prostration, and that she is in that regard not like a man, is mursal and not authentic. Abu Daawood transmitted it in al- Maraaseel on the authority of Yazeed ibn Abi Habeeb. As for what Imaam Ahmad has reported, as in his son 'Abdullaah's Masaa'il, from Ibn 'Umar, that he used to instruct his wives to sit cross-legged in prayer, its sanad is not authentic, for it contains 'Abdullaah ibn 'Umar al-'Amri, who is a da'eef (weak) narrator. |
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| Re: Women and Prayer |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/30/01 at 20:32:57 |
| slm As sister Marcie mentioned there is a book called the Prophet's Prayer Described by Sheikh Albani (may Allah (SWT) preserve him). The whole book is online and is located at the USC MSA server, here is the link: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/prayer/albaani/prayer_1.html I remember a few years ago a brother was considering Islam and didn't believe that there were any hadiths (authentic or otherwise) explaining how to preform the prayers. When I showed him this book, he changed completely and accepted Islam. |
| Re: Women and Prayer |
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| Mehak |
| 07/01/01 at 01:03:08 |
| Assalam u Alikum, Well,I have a few questions now:I mean ,from what I have read and taught,there are a few actions done different than men. Like in Sajdah, rukooh, etc. Unfortunately,I dont remember the names of these books but they are all in Urdu. Can anyone clarify that?Is it cause of different maslaks??(like hanafi,shafai,etc). Thanks,ws'salam. |
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