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| Kashif |
| 07/01/01 at 04:35:41 |
| Question #13678 When two men say fard salah in jamaa , the one who leads stands on left, the one who follows(on the right side) should he stand a little behind or in straight line. Answer Praise be to Allaah. You should make a straight line. This is indicated by the hadeeth of al-Nu’maan ibn Basheer, who said: “The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Make your rows straight, or Allaah will alter your faces.” [?] (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Adhaan, 676). If the imaam and the one who is following him stand to pray, they should form one row, and the imaam should not stand ahead of the one who is following him. Because the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took hold of Ibn ‘Abbaas by the back of his head and made him stand to his right, but it was not narrated that he made him stand a little further back. The imaam and the one who is following him are considered to form a row, and if they are considered to form a row then it is prescribed for them to make the row straight, which means that neither of them should stand to the front of the other. See al-Sharh al-Mumti’ by Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 3, p. 10-12 Imaam Ahmad narrated in his Musnad that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “I came to the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) at the end of the night and prayed behind him. He took my hand and drew me to stand in line with him, and when the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned back to his prayer, I took a step backwards. The Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed, and when he had finished his prayer, he said to me, ‘What is the matter? I made you stand in line with me, then you took a step backwards.’ I said, ‘ O Messenger of Allaah, is it right for anyone to pray in line with you when you are the Messenger of Allaah to whom Allaah has given …?’ (2902. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, no. 2590). Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This hadeeth contains an important point of fiqh, which is that the Sunnah is for the one who is praying with the imaam to stand to his right and in line with him, not in front of him or behind him, unlike the view of some madhhabs which say that he should stand a little way behind the imaam, so that his toes are in line with the heel of the imaam. This, as you can see, goes against this saheeh hadeeeth. See Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth al-Saheehah, vol. 6, p. 174. And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad. www.islam-qa.com |
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| bhaloo |
| 07/01/01 at 08:32:24 |
| slm Dude this is weird. For some reason I read this fatawa yesterday (I don't know why). And now you post it here a few hours later. |
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| Kashif |
| 07/01/01 at 11:36:28 |
| wa alaikum us-salaam nothing wierd about it at all. It was in the 'New Answers' section on islam-qa.com. Its actually a fatwa which i was quite happy to find, because its the first time i've seen evidence for it, and i was unsure as to whether one should pray in line with the imam, or a step behind. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| BroHanif |
| 07/02/01 at 19:11:05 |
| A.W.W. The above I think is according to Imam Ahmed bin Hambal, not according to Imam Abu Hanifah. Just out of curiosity which Madhabs do you guys follow ??? Salaams Hanif |
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| Marcie |
| 07/03/01 at 11:43:59 |
| As salamu alaykum Brother, The wife stands behind the husband and to the right in prayer. I can't tell you which madhab this is, but my husband and I read it in a fiqh book. As salamu alaykum Marcie |
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| isra |
| 07/03/01 at 17:02:29 |
| [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/mbm.png[/img][/center] [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/hamd1.png[/img][/center] [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/salam.gif[/img] I saw muslims they are little behind on rightside and me too (just half step or 10-20 cm). It is different by between madzhabs? I dont know much... [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/wsalam.gif[/img] |
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| Kashif |
| 07/03/01 at 18:59:44 |
| assalaamu alaikum Coming from the background that i do, i don't understand how a fiqh principle can override what seems to be a clear hadith? Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “I came to the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) at the end of the night and prayed behind him. He took my hand and drew me to stand in line with him, and when the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned back to his prayer, I took a step backwards. The Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed, and when he had finished his prayer, he said to me, ‘What is the matter? I made you stand in line with me, then you took a step backwards.’ I said, ‘ O Messenger of Allaah, is it right for anyone to pray in line with you when you are the Messenger of Allaah to whom Allaah has given …?’ (2902. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, no. 2590). ??? Does anyone have the evidence which the other opinion is based on please? Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| BroHanif |
| 07/04/01 at 07:19:01 |
| A.W.W. What madhab are you Brother Kashif ? [quote]Coming from the background that i do, i don't understand how a fiqh principle can override what seems to be a clear hadith? [quote] This requires you to understand the four madhabs, the nature of them and how they were founded. There are many hadith on how Prophet saws prayed, however the four madhasb have made it as such that you have a certain guideline when performing prayers. Otherwise it may appear that you are following your nafs. Salaams Hanif |
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| Arsalan |
| 07/05/01 at 17:50:24 |
| [slm] If 3 people are praying at a place where it is too narrow to make more than one row, how should they stand? Imam in the middle, with one person on each side, in a straight row? Or imam on the left, with both people on the right side? Any ideas? Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| isra |
| 07/10/01 at 17:13:56 |
| [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/mbm.png[/img][/center] [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/hamd1.png[/img][/center] [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/salam.gif[/img] BroHanif ! What mean Kashif with that? >Does anyone have the evidence which the other opinion is based on please? > Bro Hanif do you not read the city constitution? No one wants talk about islamic groups, also not about madzhab, shia, sunni etc... Muslims are not unity, that is why some muslims suffer somewhere on this world. We dont realy love us eachother, its only in worth, we dont trust to any muslim who is from another islamic group or perspective. We like friendship between in own groups or such so... But we, in our heart, have for all muslims group any negativ or positive argument but we dont say it here. [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/wsalam.gif[/img] [Fixed by Moderators] |
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| Kashif |
| 07/10/01 at 19:51:15 |
| assalaamu alaikum Isra, jazakallahu khair for your advice, but i think you misunderstood BroHanif's comment. I don't think there was anything wrong with his question (esp. regarding the madhahib). Just because there is lots of disunity amongst Muslims doesn't mean that we should stop discussing issues on which there are legitimate differences of opinion in totality - as long as the proper etiquettes of discussion are being observed - which is the case for the most part on this forum, alhumdulillah. To answer BroHanif's postings, most of my Islamic influence comes from brothers and scholars who are of the Hanbali school of thought. The only reading i've done on the issue of fiqh is Dr Bilal Philips' book on the Evolution of Fiqh, plus other smaller pieces here and there. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| isra |
| 07/11/01 at 16:52:25 |
| [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/mbm.png[/img][/center] [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/hamd1.png[/img][/center] [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/salam.gif[/img] Br. Kashif,Yes, maybe I understand wrong. if I'm wrong excuse me for sake of Allah swt. Br.Kashif, I cant give advice I'm not an schoolar of islam, (dont study islam in some schools). I dont mean you personaly, look bosna what happen, what happen chechenia, kashmir etc etc? Why so late, why we muslims dont help before come suffer, war. If we are one unity so some poeple thinks before, what they will done wrong to muslims. [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/wsalam.gif[/img] |
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