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THE SPEAKING TREE - The Islamic Concept Of Reincarnation By SULTAN SHAHIN
zanfaz
07/05/01 at 00:21:28
[slm] THE SPEAKING TREE - The Islamic Concept Of Reincarnation By SULTAN SHAHIN [color=red][Text of Article deleted by Admin][/color]

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bhaloo
07/04/01 at 08:37:38
slm I was going to forward this article to some people on the board here, but you have put it up, and saved me the time. Muslims don't believe in reincarnation and I wouldn't take what is said here serious at all.

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Saleema
07/04/01 at 17:12:26
Imam Baqer Who is that??? Did you see how they soiled the name of Imam Jafer? Do any shia sects believe in reincarnation? Man, amazing how people can twist verses to suit their way of thinking. That's awesome brother Akbal. :) [slm] Saleema

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jannah
07/04/01 at 20:00:34
[slm] Just as a clarification for those who are learning about Islam. There is no concept of "Reincarnation" in Islam the way there is in Hinduism or Bhuddism. We do believe we will die and be raised up again to be judged ie resurrection, but not that we live our lives as different creatures and existencies until we reach a higher plane of nirvana, etc. I think as Muslims or students of knowledge we should learn what Islam says, what it's concepts are and how it relates to the Islamic paradigm instead of taking these alien, foreign concepts and trying to show that Islam has aspects of them.

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Saleema
07/05/01 at 00:05:49
[slm] Jannah, do you think that the author was trying to show the Hindus that, "oh look, we believe in sort of the same thing too. why don't you convert?" I think the intent of the article was different. Lately I have been hearing a lot about radical and terrorist hindu orginizations that are saying that the Muslims and the Christians should "hinduze" themselves to fit into their society,or stop practicing their respective religions, along with putting a full stop on Dawah and missionary work. I think the article's intent was to show Hindus who are half way to Islam or are sympathetic to Muslims that "Look, there really isn't much difference." And I also think that the article's intent was to put doubts in the minds of Muslims who don't know much except that they were born in a Muslim household and that their ancestors were Muslims. What do you think? Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but If I'm right i wouldn't be surprised. [wlm] Saleema

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jannah
07/05/01 at 00:23:30
wlm, interesting saleema... i think that after reading the article a little more carefully a few times the tone of the article to me seemed to be addressing the general public and specifically muslims. it had the classic signs of being a missionary article. it tries to use muslim evidences to show how "reincarnation" is really an islamic concept by taking verses and hadiths out of context in order to 'prove' something that is clearly not part of Islam.

Re: THE SPEAKING TREE - The Islamic Concept Of Reincarnation By SULTAN SHAHIN
Saleema
07/05/01 at 00:49:09
it tries to use muslim evidences to show how "reincarnation" is really an islamic concept by taking verses and hadiths out of context in order to 'prove' something that is clearly not part of Islam. hmmm... you know you may be right. But I think that the target audience were those Muslims who are Muslims just by name. Even an idiot will ask for evidence for something which he has never heard of before. And in this case, even Hindus would ask for evidence because they know that Hinduism and Islam are on opposite ends. Sometime back their was an article posted on this board that pointed out that in the Vedas there are numerous verses that say anyone who worships Idols is cursed, etc, etc. We read that article and wondered how come then the Hindus do so to the contrary? But did any of us  bother to read it directly for ourselves? Same way the Hindus will look at this article and say how come we believe so to the contrary? And how many of them will check out a Yusuf Ali Quranic tafsir for themselves? You know? Anyone who even knows a little bit about Islam will know that this is absolutely not true. So I think the article was also aiming at Hindus who are sympathetic to Islam. I mean look at the source of the article. It was in Times magazine. Time is known as a prestigious magazine and this was a very bad 'scholarly' work. It's not just the radical and terrorist Hindu organizations that want to destroy Islam, (as well as Christianity), but a large sector of the Media has it's own campaign against Islam also. And the best way to destroy someone is to change their very roots. The first victims to fall for such a thing in campaigns like these are those who don't know much about their roots to begin with. In this case it would be Muslims who are Muslims just by their names and this article gives them a reason to "fit in." And this would also serve to disillusion Hindus who are disillusioned with their religion and were sort of looking to Islam. They will think that at the bottom of it all, there is not much difference between Islam and Hinduism. Someone like me and you, who at least know their ABCs of Islam will know clearly that this is not Islam. And I think that Time editors are smart enough to know that too and why would they bother with me and you? They would go after the others. But anyway, God knows best.  :) [wlm] Saleema

Re: THE SPEAKING TREE - The Islamic Concept Of Reincarnation By SULTAN SHAHIN
bhaloo
07/05/01 at 01:04:11
slm I agree with Jannah, that the article was a missionary type article written from a hindu perspective.  At least that's my take on it.

Re: THE SPEAKING TREE - The Islamic Concept Of Reincarnation By SULTAN SHAHIN
taueeya
07/10/01 at 05:25:38
Assalamu Alaikum,            [quote]The miracle of the cell, which came out recently in a Pakistani periodical, very accurately and scientifically spells out the elemental connection between our bodies, lives, and the building blocks that make these up and Allah T'allah's great mercy[/quote] Can I have some more details on this? Like the source/website if its available on web. Jazaak Allahu khairan.
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