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SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/23/01 at 21:59:24
SirCam worm threatens PC damage By David Becker Staff Writer, CNET News.com July 20, 2001, 4:00 p.m. PT Security experts warned Friday of a fast-spreading new worm that could delete files and fill up the hard drives of infected computers. The worm, "W32.Sircam" or "SirCam," arrives attached to an e-mail message with a randomly chosen subject line, according to a report prepared by the AntiVirus Research Center of software maker Symantec. The body of the message is also randomly chosen, although the first and last lines are always "Hi! How are you?" and "See you later. Thanks" in the English version of the message and "Hola como estas?" and "Nos vemos pronto, gracias" in the Spanish version. Once activated, the virus sends copies of itself to all e-mail addresses in the computer's Microsoft Outlook address book. The sent e-mail message also includes a randomly chosen document from the infected computer. The worm has several unusual aspects, according to Symantec, including the fact that it resides in the recycle bin of the infected PC, where people may not think to search for it. It also can perform several destructive acts based on a combination of arcane PC settings and chance. If the infected PC uses the European date format (day/month/year), for example, there is a 1-in-20 chance that the worm will delete all files and folders on the hard drive on Oct. 16. The worm is also "network aware," Symantec reported, meaning it will search for network resources and attempt to propagate itself to attached systems. Symantec's AntiVirus Research Center classified the worm as a "severe" threat. It said several hundred computers at a handful of sites had been infected with the worm as of Thursday evening. Antivirus-software maker McAfee classified the worm as a "medium" risk and said 1,418 infected files had been reported in the last 30 days. "I think this is going to keep going at least for the next week," said Alex Shipp, anti-virus researcher for e-mail-service firm MessageLabs. "The fact that it does have different subject lines and different file names will help it grow." So far, the growth has been slow but sure, he said. On Wednesday, the company had encountered only a handful of virus-infected e-mails every hour. As of late Friday, however, there were nearly 100 every hour. (New.com)

I was infected :(
bhaloo
07/23/01 at 22:47:36
slm I was infected. :( i went to an older registtry to recover.

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jannah
07/23/01 at 22:50:55
wlm, bhaloo!!! you know better than to run stuff like that when you get it on email! who knows what it is! btw does anyone else find it rather sad/amusing/weird that there are language VERSIONS of this virus.. spanish!!! eh loco.. i going to destroy your hard drive now.. hasta la vista babyyyyy!! ps yes laboogie u gotta teach me some good spanish one day...

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
zanfaz
07/23/01 at 23:24:26
[slm] Here's some more info on the virus..... [hr] bout W32.Sircam.Worm@mm It contains its own SMTP engine in order to propagate itself simlarly to the W32.Magistr.Worm. SARC has received several submissions of this worm from corporate customers. The worm is still being analyzed more in depth and this page will be updated as new information becomes available. SARC will be posting new virus definitions around 3 AM (Pacific) on July 18th. The worm will arrive in an email with the following content: The "Subject" of the email will be random and will be the same as the filename of the attachment in the email. The "Body" of the message will be semi-random but will alway contain one of the following two types (either English or Spanish) as first sentence of the message and last sentence. Spanish Version: TOP LINE: Hola como estas ? LAST LINE: Nos vemos pronto, gracias. English Version: TOP LINE: Hi! How are you? LAST LINE: See you later. Thanks In between these two sentences may contain some of the following text. Spanish Version: Te mando este archivo para que me des tu punto de vista Espero me puedas ayudar con el archivo que te mando Espero te guste este archivo que te mando Este es el archivo con la informacion que me pediste English Version: I send you this file in order to have your advice I hope you can help me with this file that I send I hope you like the file that I send you This is the file with the information that you ask  for The filenames under which this threat have been [hr] Those who have Norton Anti-virus running on their computers can download the latest virus definition file and update the software.

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
abc
07/24/01 at 05:52:57
OOOOhh my goodness, just before I read this thread, I noticed I got two mails from some "fibreglass company". The subject line said Plan Ramadan, so I thought it might be some islamic stuff. When I opened the mail it had the exact two lines :how are you and thank you. I didnt think much about it until I read this thread. I havent opened the attachement yet. Does this mean my computer is infected?? HHHHHHEEEEELLPP someone please.. I'm completely computer ILLiterate and have no idea about worms and viruses. What do I do?

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
zanfaz
07/24/01 at 06:02:25
[slm] Just delete those mails from your mailbox. Don't download them.

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/24/01 at 09:00:18
Well, to be on safe side, make it a habit never to open any attachment with .exe, .scr, .xls (the list can go on...) even if it was sent by ur best buddy. I always confirm with a friend (on phone etc) to be on safe side. Yet, its hard to say when you will be hit...

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
Ayla_A
07/24/01 at 11:35:42
[slm] Our entire network at my job has been corrupted by this virus, lost 2 days of work and counting.. It finds the c: drive on your computer through the network at attacks all the other computers on the network sharing their c drive, it is awful alhumdulillah my computer was one of the very few that has not been infected!!! [wlm] Ayla

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jannah
07/24/01 at 23:29:16
slm, wow just got hit with it... and on my private acct grrr... tis ok i never run anything so i just deleted it but just in case anyone else gets it, it came in with no sender and the subject was: Wings of Darkness (that should have given it away right there eh ;)) and it just says this: Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks (some advice!!)

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/25/01 at 00:10:56
Go here: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.removal.tool.html (I am surprised how you got hit despite seeing the three-line common message ;) ) Anyways, this is the SirCam FAQ provided by news.com) What is SirCam? SirCam is a malicious program with characteristics of a worm--a self-propagating piece of destructive code--and a virus, a malicious program that attaches itself to other files. It also has qualities of a "Trojan horse" in that it poses as a harmless file. How can I tell if a message I receive is infected by SirCam? All SirCam messages arrive with an attachment and an e-mail subject line, but these are different for every SirCam message. That's because each time the SirCam worm infects a computer, it randomly plucks a document from that computer and sends itself out with the document attached--drawing the e-mail subject line, and the name of the attachment itself, from the title of the pilfered document. Each virus-carrying message contains the same text in the body of the message, however. The first and last lines are "Hi! How are you?" and "See you later. Thanks" in the English version of the message and "Hola como estas?" and "Nos vemos pronto, gracias" in the Spanish version. How dangerous is SirCam? The main threat posed by the worm is possible security breaches from its propagation method. By attaching randomly chosen documents to itself, the worm could share confidential information with others. SirCam also can perform several destructive acts based on a combination of arcane PC settings and chance. If the infected PC uses the European date format (day/month/year), for example, there is a 1-in-20 chance the worm will delete all files and folders on that computer's hard drive on Oct. 16. What should I do if I receive an infected message? Delete the message, then check to see if your PC is infected. Locating and removing the infection on your own is a relatively complex process, as detailed in a McAfee document. The easier approach is to use the automated SirCam detection and removal tool available for free downloading from antivirus-software maker Symantec. How can I keep SirCam messages from flooding my mailbox? If your Internet or e-mail service provider screens incoming messages, your mailbox should be safe, although Hotmail users have reported that the service's virus filters have failed to catch SirCam. For those who use unfiltered services--and for unlucky Hotmail users--you're on your own. Install antivirus software on your PC, keep it updated, and set it to screen your e-mail--at least infected messages won't be able to deliver their payload. Most e-mail programs also allow you to set up rules for incoming messages. Using a tool such as the Rules Wizard in Microsoft Outlook, for instance, you could set up a rule that all incoming messages with the body text "See you later. Thanks" are moved to a separate folder, where you can easily delete any suspicious entries. What will happen to the creator of SirCam? Probably nothing. An FBI representative said Monday that she was not aware of any SirCam-related investigation. Usually only the most destructive viral outbreaks, such as the Love Letter epidemic, generate significant law-enforcement attention.

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jannah
07/25/01 at 00:21:00
nah i mean someone sent it to me.. but i just deleted it.. it was on a unix account so it's all good... i think the reason these virus's spread is because they're sent to all these new web based users who just click and run everything that's sent to them...!

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/25/01 at 00:27:13
oh ok! However the removal instructions are here http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/viruses/sircam/default.asp?cid=2371

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
Nazia
07/25/01 at 00:34:40
jannah i got the same one you did!! TWICE today...oh you best believe I didn't open that mess.  This has never happened to me! I feel so invaded :(  Yeah I got mine on a unix account--and opening an attachment is a MUCH bigger pain then deleting it--so it's all good :) pine rules! Take Care, Wassalam, Nazia

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
abc
07/25/01 at 04:48:41
Hmmmm..I can't understand most of this computer geeky stuff but...I got three mails on my hotmail account that had "AFIL fibreglass company" in the senders name. Two of them had the subject "Plan Ramadan" and the third said "Seyam" When I opened them, the text of the mail was exactly the same as Jannah's. I didnt open the attachments but noticed they were something like 250K. So my question is: was this mail infected? How come it had this "islamic sounding" subject line?? Who invents and sends these kinda things in the first place? Can someone recommend any website or easy reading material about computers for a complete novice like me :) I only know how to work on things like Word and Powerpoint, besides of course surfing this message board :), other than that my computer knowledge is ZERO

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/25/01 at 06:48:41
hmmmmmmmmm.... I was just abt to leave for a seminar to speak in front of an audience of your kind.... :)

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
bhaloo
07/25/01 at 08:49:59
slm bhaloo!!! you know better than to run stuff like that when you get it on email! who knows what it is! Jannah said: [quote]wow just got hit with it... and on my private acct grrr... tis ok i never run anything so i just deleted it but just in case anyone else gets it, it came in with no sender and the subject was: Wings of Darkness (that should have given it away right there eh ;)) [/quote] hehehehhe you know bettern than to run stuff like that. :)

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jannah
07/25/01 at 10:14:38
helloooooooooooooooooooooooooo what r u trying to say?? i DIDN'T run it.. that's the point!!!! man arshad one day ur gonna get an exploding cow head virus...i'm sure u won't have to wonder who it came from :)  j/k as for ur questions abc... check out those links jaihoon gave.. there are some good explanations of the virus and how they work. your computer is not affected unless you actually open the attachment or run it. a virus/worm is just a computer program that does some destructive damage... in this case this one is kind of interesting because when someone runs it.. it randomly takes a document, attaches it... puts in some lines in the body of the email.. puts the title of the document as the subject and then sends it off to people in the person's outlook addressbook pretty ingenious eh... so the titles ur getting were probably files on ppls hard drives. so who makes up these virus's inthe first place?  out of work programmers? hackers trying to make their mark? anti-pornography ppl? there was one virus that would check if the person visited pornography sites, then look for child pornography on the person's hard drive, then it would send the pictures to everyone in their addressbook and a copy to the police!!! here's some more info: With the advent of computers and the Internet, the term ‘vital information resources under siege’, better known as VIRUS, has taken on an entirely different connotation. It has become regular fare to read about virus attacks and the consequent losses running into billions of dollars. Now it is not just the term virus that brings the shivers to computer users in general and s oftware professionals in particular. There are others too, for instance Trojan Horse and Internet worms that trigger a similar reaction. One might think that a virus is a virus whatever you may call it. But there is a world of difference between a virus and a worm—these are as different as the biological virus and the bacteria—because the effects are different and so are the remedies. In fact, the word virus in Latin means poison. So, what is a computer virus? It is a program or a block of executable code written to surreptitiously enter your computer and infect your files by attaching it to, overwriting or replacing another program. A computer virus is not self generated but must be written by someone with a specific purpose in mind. Typically, a virus has two functions:     Self-replication and propagation – to spread itself from one file to another by creating either the exact     or modified copies of itself, wherein the replication is intentional and not a side effect     Delivering payload – that is implementing the damage planned by the perpetrator. A computer virus behaves in the same way as its biological counterpart. When a program infected by a virus is running, the virus code gets a chance to inspect its environment and look for loopholes in the host and infect other program files, which in turn become carriers. A virus could either be benign or malignant. A benign virus does no real damage to your system; it may do nothing more than display a message on a particular date or time. Nevertheless, it hogs disk space and memory by using up CPU processing time, and money is wasted in its detection and removal. A malignant virus on the other hand is a program written with malicious intent to wreak havoc on your computer, at times doing more damage than the perpetrator had originally planned. It could alter programs, write incorrect information into files, delete files or even erase your entire hard disk. So when, where and by whom was this Pandora’s box opened? Initially, these self replicating programs were really not viruses but were known as rabbits, which took over the computing time of the machine leaving no time or space for other programs. These were first written in the 1960s. Then in a case of life taking after fiction, came the worms in the 1970s, inspired by a book called The Shockwave, wherein the writer talks about a program that replicates segments of itself all over a network. The first worm that was created was called the creeper and the anti virus, what else, the reaper. This opened the Pandora’s box, quite literally. The creeper would run on one system, copy itself onto another and delete itself on the original. This was later modified to enable the program’s replication and migration. The reaper on the other hand would move through the system destroying all copies of the creeper and then deletes itself. The first true virus that was created was a part of a research project for Apple II computer in the 1980s called ‘Elk Cloner’. Another book called Neuromancer glorifying computer hackers was the driving force behind a cult that came to be known as Cyberpunk. Robert T Morris, one such person influenced by the book, went on to write the infamous ‘Internet worm’. A Trojan Horse is an elementary form of a malicious code written to perform some covert act. It appears to perform some useful or entertaining function like displaying a screen saver or a message while concealing a destructive purpose, hence the name, taken after the Greek legend. It differs from a virus in that it does not replicate itself and does not propagate. A dropper is a program that installs a Trojan or virus covertly. A worm on the other hand resides in active memory, replicates itself and duplicates itself over computer networks. The various features used by an operating system to make its functions automatic and invisible to the user are in turn used by the worm to its advantage. Unlike a virus it does not attach itself to a host program. Virus attacks are a very real threat faced by the computer industry and requires stringent laws to curb its widespread effects. These attacks could tamper with sensitive information and paralyze entire organizations. Virus A computer virus is a program that is designed to replicate itself and spread from file to file, usually attaching itself to applications. When this application is run, it can infect other files on a user's disk. By definition, human interaction is necessary for a virus to spread to another user's files. This can be performed by downloading files, trading diskettes with others, copying files to/from file servers, or sending e-mail attachments. To combat a virus, be sure to use anti-virus software like McAfee's VirusScan or Norton Antivirus from Symantec. Worm A computer worm also infects other computers, but it is spread to other computers on a network automatically and without the action of humans. This allows computer worms to spread more rapidly than computer viruses. A worm doesn't alter or delete files but instead they reside in memory, eat up system resources, and slow down your computer. To protect against a worm, networked users must keep up with operating system patches and updates and be aware of any suspicious traffic. Trojan Horse A Trojan Horse is a program that initially appears useful or benign and fools a user into running it. But while it runs, it could be allowing "back door" access to your computer by hackers or destroying files on your hard disk. For protection a gainst a Trojan Horse, users must be suspicious of any unknown program and be sure it is safe before running it.

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/25/01 at 17:42:40
:) At the seminar that I spoke for 4 hours, I got a funny question from a 12-year old: - How does the hacker benefit from hacking? And when I asked the kids of the three groups as to 'what would you request Bill Gates if you had a chance to meet him', one reply was: 'Please give a chance for other companies to grow' :) At times, kids are more smarter than we think. When I asked the girls what is the harmful reaction from sitting too much in front of the screen, I anticipated the answer to be something like decrease in eyesight or radiation problems etc. Surprisingly she said 'Tears will start coming out' :) Perhaps that would be the easiest thing for a female to do ;) And many enquired about the Sircam virus too...

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
abc
07/26/01 at 00:56:58
[quote]I was just abt to leave for a seminar to speak in front of an audience of your kind.... At the seminar that I spoke for , I got a funny question from a 12-year old [/quote] Sheeshhh, Jaihoon, ur equating me with a 12 year old ??!! Oh well, I guess I should take it as a compliment, u did slash my age by half ;) Kids really do say it like it is, dont they ? :) By any chance, do u teach/study at Sharjah College? Just wondering, u don't have to answer that if u don't want to. Jannah, thanks for the info

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jannah
07/26/01 at 02:16:37
heres some more info from isra: [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/mbm.png[/img][/center] [center][img]http://members.nbci.com/isra114/hamd1.png[/img][/center] [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/salam.gif[/img] If you got mail like this, so be care. Its contains W32.Sircam.Worm@mm. virus. MAIL 1----------------------------------------------------- From: "Rehad Baubooa" <rbaubooa@tracmail.mu> [Save Address] [Block Sender]     To: isra@graphic-designer.com     Cc:     Subject: Amended Account     Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:31:01 +0400                                                                                                                  Hi! How are you?      I send you this file in order to have your advice      See you later. Thanks      Amended Account.xls.com >virus file MAIL2 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rehad Baubooa" <rbaubooa@tracmail.mu>     To: isra@graphic-designer.com     Cc:     Subject: Fixed Asset R     Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:03:36 +0400                                                                                                                  Hi! How are you?      I send you this file in order to have your advice      See you later. Thanks      Fixed Asset R.xls.com >virus file MAIL 3---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Rehad Baubooa" <rbaubooa@tracmail.mu>     To: isra@graphic-designer.com     Cc:     Subject: Payroll Mayl 01     Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:38:00 +0400                                                                                                                  Hi! How are you?      I send you this file in order to have your advice      See you later. Thanks      Payroll Mayl 01.xls.pif >virus file --------------------- ADD MESSAGE SORY I dont see this article <SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]> from Jaihoon ,as I put this message. [img]http://www.jannah.org/board/Images/wsalam.gif[/img]

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
eleanor
07/27/01 at 13:43:28
slm I got it too! But a different user name..Mike something or other and the subject was "troubleshooting". The text was the same as Jannah's. Luckily my email programme has a virus check on attachments so it told me straight off in bold red that it was a worm virus. I was really shocked. So I deleted it anyway, but still I was shocked because you only think of these things in theory like "oh yeah I have a virus checker and blah blah" but when the virus checker actually shows up a virus it's something else. Like being on the brink of hellfire.. wasalaam eleanor

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
bhaloo
07/27/01 at 14:00:53
slm Another brother on the board was infected by the virus.  How do I know?  Because I have received about 8 messages from him with these document and excel files with the same message.  Its weird.

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/27/01 at 14:43:47
It definitely is weired... :)

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
Asim
07/27/01 at 15:50:16
Assalaamu alaikum, I got two messages in the last two days with the virus. What is strange is I have no idea who the senders are. How did my email get into their address books? The subject lines are seemingly random; one is Nithy_Anand ??? My adviser's computer was hit last week (he opened the file, typical dumb profs ;)). And today my collegue in the lab also got hit. I don't think he opened the file but he is a kinda paranoia type of guy and he went ahead and formatted the drive :o He said it was not Sircam but some Hawaii something ? This is the first time in years that I have actually received an email virus. Looks like this virus spread real wide. Viruses are all Microsoft's fault. Their software are so vulnerable. That is why I like Linux/Unix. These days though I am forwarding my email to my PC because the Unix admins have disabled remote logins. Aaargh, I miss my pine. Wasalaam.

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
amatullah
07/27/01 at 16:32:51
Bismillah and salam, I got it as well! La 7awla wala quwata illa billah. At first i thought it was normal but from our brother akbal khan. Then I said why is he asking me for advice outside of the board? I got 4 emails, the sender is nando rodriquez, and there is two subjects: scorp3 and chalchiu4. alhemdulilah I came here to see if he asked everyone something..so I have read this thread jazakum Allahu khayran so I didn't run it. Where is brother Akbal lately anywhow?

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
bhaloo
07/27/01 at 17:05:08
slm I used mcafee from mcafee.com.  So apparently I wasn't the only one you sent email too. :)

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
meraj
07/27/01 at 17:08:01
slm, go to the link that bhaloo posted earlier and download that small program.. that will automatically remove it from your computer :)

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
Saleema
07/27/01 at 22:42:53
[slm] Hey, I got a lot of those too! Like ten. And two from people from this board.  :) Just when i was about to open it, the three lines sounded familiar and it clicked that it was the virus. :) wehew. Thank God. i have confedential stuff on my hard drive and it's password protected. So let's say that I had opened up one of those attachments, would it also have been able to get at the password protected stuff??? I don't know anything about computers. :) so be nice. [wlm] Saleema

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/28/01 at 00:52:08
So many victimes so far.... For bro akbalkhan: The virus checks for emails all around ur computer. Even in your browser cache. So that means any of the member's email links on the board (which is stored in ur cache) also gets noticed by the virus. And it sends to them as well. You need not have an adress book. For sis Saleema, I don't think so the virus can open the p/w protected files. the virus is simply another smtp application that spreads to ur friends. (Allah knows best). My question is: has the amouont of spam coming in ur inbox increased since the outbreak of this virus?

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
Kathy
07/28/01 at 06:19:37
slm Hey- I got it too! Can they get our e-mails from his board?- other than veiwing our profiles?

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jannah
07/28/01 at 14:41:16
the virus is sent to addresses in their address book and in their cache. the addresses have to be in their outlook address book or in the person's web browser cache... so if he/she recently clicked on viewprofile the addy is in the cache or if they're just reading the threads everyone's address is in the little email link so it can be picked up that way too so the best thing to do is be on the lookout and just delete anything strange that comes in with attachments and let the person know they have the virus! people who have the virus make sure you clean it out so it isn't spread to others continuously...!

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
Anonymous
07/28/01 at 20:15:47
Assalaam alaikum, I have a question for the experts.  I have a website and there are two email addresses for the website, one for feedback, one for questions.   I received 3 of the same virus from the same sender at each of the addresses.  I hardly think that feedback@****** would be in someone's address book, but I also can't understand how it would be in someone's cache either.  The feedback link opens up the default email client on ones computer, and we don't receive that many feedbacks.  Is it at all possible that it was a purposeful attempt at infection? Could the expert(s) explain this to me please? Jazakum Allahu khairan

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
jaihoon
07/28/01 at 21:08:53
The virus takes all emails from a website. This happened to my site as well, mailing at all the different adresses, found at different locations in the website. As for the client, it is not necessary that it be outlook. From what I have heard, it can be any email client. Anyways, me no expert @ viruses ;)

Re: SirCam worm threatens PC damage [warning]
Sonny
08/01/01 at 13:40:36
Hmn--I just realized that I recieved a mailing of this virus abt 2 weeks ago--I have virus cam, so when I clicked on the icon, the warning came on and I deleted it--in fact I recieved both of the virus Jannah mentioned...I thought I had deleted them, so perhaps you recieved them from me/ I hope not!  Anyway--I am getting a ton of junkmail--up to over a hundred pieces of junk per day and I don't know how to stop it!~I put my bulk mail protector on, and delete the file daily but is there a way to stop that? Is there a way to know if the virus is in my system...other than if the system slows down?  Nothing has been deleted so far but I am wondering if I may trigger something later. As you can see I don't know much abt computors--and I apologize if you all got this virus from me...I also saw an intriguing concept here, that the computor is not just a virus, but almost a living thing! Can someone expand that idea for me? At any rate, you lot, I am so sorry if I am responsible for this--I am glad to see this information you have shared. Thanks! --Sonny
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