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dawah question to the british
jannah
07/31/01 at 09:51:46
slm,

here's a question for u... someone mentioned that there is alot anti-islamic sentiment in britain currently and it seems to me that ppl are very racist towards muslims and asians there. this makes me think that this will be the future of muslims in the US as well b/c i think that u guys are a generation ahead of us...so what happenned? is it the lack of dawah...just too many poor immigrant muslims that the english think are taking away their jobs.?? anti islam forces?

just wondering.. maybe your insight can help us here...
Re: dawah question to the british
Zara
07/31/01 at 10:25:57
[slm]

I was thinking that the british had become more tolerant of other people, however the eruption of riots proves the contrary, many are still racist at heart???

I think the racist outbursts can be blamed on media, anti-islamic propaganda...the most recent one being a few weeks ago when some Afghani sisters participated in a documentary saying they were oppressed..they were told by brothers to remain in the house and not wear make-up the documentary underlined thjis as a basis for oppression.  Although i think the sisters were bribed to say what they did...Despite this I want to point out that there is hikmah behind women remaining at home and not showing their adornment.  

I was walking home from work the other day and some guy in a car shouted "Oii Ninja" at me...I was a little startled but carried on walking...

We need to counteract all the bad imagery of media and show a positive image of Islam as a reality.  this can be achieved for the generation next by giving more dawaa to youths the pride of our nation!

just my two cents

[wlm]
Re: dawah question to the british
NewJehad
07/31/01 at 11:23:55
jannah
the Oldham stuff was planned.
NF/BNP have an agenda, they went there from other areas.
NF/BNP went there and beat people up, a black Christian lady was burnt to death with her kids.
And a lot of People got beaten up and the police did not respond.
When people started responding, Muslim/anti nazi groups they were arrested. Up until this day, not one racist has been arrested in that area.
Even though some of the racist attacks were carried out meters away from police.
The press came out with slogans and doggy statistics that white people in the area are more likely to have racist attacks against them then Asians. They said parts of Oldham are no go areas for whites.
All the political parties came out with anti Muslim/Asian slogans, calling the rioters criminals. None said any thing against the racists.
In Briton we have something called the bandwagon, if some one says some thing that people seem to agree with, every one else will repeat it to gain support for them selves.
Muslims were not the only people targeted on this. A Little while ago it was the gypsy refugees.
Even though the racists are against people of all colours, Jews and Hindus separated them selves from these events. Saying they were the work of Muslims. The people they are defending now are the same people who might kick their heads in later. Some times the Jews and Mushriks hatred for Islam exceeds their desire to live.
I hope the people they are defending show them what they really think of them.

Generally the Kaffar here don't care what religion some one is. people here are not very religius. so don't care about christianity.
this country has less jewish propagander too, so people dont see Muslims as terrorists.

the press, jewish/hinu groups have a agenda.

Re: dawah question to the british
BrKhalid
07/31/01 at 11:27:37
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-)

I intend to write more later but the recent riots to me were about race and not Islam.

If there is hatred over here, it reflects people's hatred of asian/sub continent culture but not Islam (and what it stands for) specifically.


Re: dawah question to the british
humble_muslim
07/31/01 at 15:25:24
AA

I agree with Br. Khalid, these BNP/NF guys think that all "asians" are the same, they think that muslims worship idols.  So it is basically a "anti-paki" thing.

Jannah, I think the difference between the UK and the USA is simply that the USA has always accepted non-whites, and allowed (and encouraged) them to become "American".  Upto the 1950's, there were very few non-whites in England, and as I was growing up, I was NEVER allowed to consider myself British.  The British are scared of anything new, anything anti-establishment, etc.  Americans in general are much more open minded, mainly because American culture itself is such a mesh of different cultures.

As for the racism, I really believe that attitudes in the UK have improved over the last 20 years, so that the racist people are confined to the lowest of the low, who have no jobs and no brain.  And IMHO, I STILL think patience and self-restraint is the way to go, not to act like lager louts and thugs.
NS
Re: dawah question to the british
Ziggy
07/31/01 at 16:44:14
salaamz.

so the oldham thijg waz planned..??. blimey....whats the world comin to nowadayz..???

wassalaam
zakira
Re: dawah question to the british
Mahmoodah
07/31/01 at 17:38:12
u lot got me thinking:(
thats a VERY big change!!!!!!!!!!
Re: dawah question to the british
BrKhalid
08/01/01 at 04:51:53
Asalaamu Alaikum ;-)

[quote]is it the lack of dawah...just too many poor immigrant muslims that the english think are taking away their jobs.?? anti islam forces?


The British are scared of anything new, anything anti-establishment, etc. Americans in general are much more open minded, mainly because American culture itself is such a mesh of different cultures.[/quote]


The British are *very* tolerant of Islam and of Muslims in general on a personal level.

The problems come with dealing with community issues and the misrepresentation of Islam in the media.


I think we would all agree that the most effective piece of dawah we can give in the West is our own personal example such that when non Muslims looks at us they get a favourable impression of Islam.


My personal fear is that the host community will look upon cultural traditions and practices and start associating that with Islam. Once people get into that mindset, it will be tough to try and reverse the trend.
Re: dawah question to the british
NewJehad
08/01/01 at 09:34:41
Jannah
There is very little if any anti Muslim sentiment among people here.
Organisations and press might have it, but they have an agenda.
There is anti non-white stuff among some people here, but that has nothing to do with Muslims. These people don’t know the difference between a Muslim, Sikh or Hindu, as far as they are concerned all of them are Pakis.
The non-Muslims here are not at all religious, so don’t care what religion people follow.
Most of the anti Islamic stuff here comes from organisations so has nothing to do with the image we portray.
The organisations just want to make life hard for Muslims and make people hate Muslims. Hindu groups lobby on such petty things as to prevent hallal meat being served in hospitals, saying Hallal is barbaric. Even though Jews slaughter in the same way, you don’t here of any Hindus lobbying against kosher meat?


You lot know what I think of people living here?
I’m pro-hijri.

Re: dawah question to the british
BroHanif
08/01/01 at 12:36:31
A.W.W.

[quote]here's a question for u... someone mentioned that there is alot anti-islamic sentiment in britain currently and it seems to me that ppl are very racist towards muslims and asians there. ...so what happenned? [/quote]

Well I don't know where it all started from but things are certainly not getting any better here in the UK or should I say now the Federal Rebulic of Europe(EU).

When my dad and his mates came over in the 60s things were not so bad, people were a lot friendlier, more jobs were available and generally people just got along with their lives. Since then the steady stem of people came from lands as far as the British Commonwelth, to countries where the politcal were or should I say are seeking asylum in Britain.

In the 1960's there weren't many muslims my dad regulary tells me that him and his mates used to live in one household and times were so bad that they didn't even know when ramdan started and ended or what Islamic month it was. This was due to the lack of communication to the other Islamic communitys and the slow medium of sending letters to India.
During the 60s there were very few scholars and imams, forget the mosques there were hardly any!. But slowly the situation of Islam took a change, this contribution was made by a small number of people, by establishing mosques, regular namaz times etc etc.
Then as time went on more people took Islam as a way of life and not religion, people started to keep beards, wear hijabs, perform prayers at work etc etc, now these changes were becoming apparent in mainstream Britain. As more people started to come over in the 70's there were less jobs than before, many asians were tarred with the same brush and called 'Paki' this was solely on the basis of the basis of being Asian.  

As time progressed Islam became more aware in Europe, however it is only now that there are covert laws being passed which although may seem non discrimatory they are in complete violations with Islam, one such law is the Anti terrorist law, another law which has been implemented by the European Council that Islamic Law or an Islamic State can not be practised in Europe(brother Kashif posted an article on this). Why do yo think Bosnia, Kosovo and Algeria have failed in setting up an Islamic state...?? Because the covert operations know that one Islamic state is just too good. Because these people have a new common enemy not Russia and its communist ideas but Islam which they know will bring a new world order.

Maybe hijrah to another country for me and my family will be coming sooner than I expected.

Recently on a news channel(BBC2's Newsnight) the main leader of the facist party the BNP said to the nearest meaning that it is the Muslims who are the problem in Britain.
These people have studied Islam well and are well aware of the benefits that Islam brings, however they the Kufr are not willing for a change because they know they will have to give up their evil practicies thats why eveything in Europe or in the world on Islam is always given a dim light. The media want to show the world that Islam is not right that why they go all out of their way to put Islam down whether it is on immigration, jobs, racism or any other sensitive issue they always try to pair it with Islam.

This bayaan beautifully covers the issue of Muslims in the UK, Europe and worldwide.
http://real.al-bilal.org:5557/ramgen/albila/170101.rm.

Salaams for now.

Hanif
Re: dawah question to the british
Spring
08/05/01 at 04:10:58
[slm]

Hope you are all well.

I think the riots are about Islam. I saw an interview with some ppl on the streets of the town centre of one of the towns where there had been riots, and there was very neagtive feeling diected towards Islam. If you talk to English sisters who have converted to Islam they will tell you about the very negative feelings that they had towards Islam. They saw it as oppressive and illogical.

I think the media is to blame for this, partially. But I think, too often we sit back and just accept this. We are not helpless against the media machine and we can do something about. The media itself has mechanisms by which we can react. If they portray a negative image we can make complaints, and this is a very effective way of making a difference. For each person who complains, they count this as 1000, people who feel the same way. Instead we just winge and complain amongst ourselves and don't do anything. I'm advising myself before anyone else.

Spring


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