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| Anonymous |
| 08/11/01 at 12:00:21 |
| Assalaamu alaikum, Today, there was one more bomb blast in Jerusalem. Too much blood has been shed on both sides. The rift has widened to the extent that the fire will only vanquish itself when it will be deprived of all its fuel in the form of blood. Forget the Jews-- I wonder when would Muslim organizations and individuals ever recognize that violence is not always the desired solution. I wonder if the Prophet (saw) would have let his companions self-detonate themselves. I wonder if he had done so to obtain a piece of land and not to bring people to Islam. I wonder if he also thought that imposing Allah's Will on the affair of a state is the ultimate goal of Islam. I wonder if he thought that his goal was to establish the Shariah on earth in all its entirety. I wonder why he didn't accept the kingship of Makkah and then tried to reform the society. I wonder if his followers in Madinah also had gone to such level of inactivity and stupor that the enemies would have the chance to conquer their dwellings. I wonder if having been trodded upon by the enemies, would they have gone to war with their meager means or would they have tried the supremacy of Islamic ideology to counter-conquer their enemies. I wonder if the Mongols were better than jews having killed literally hundreds and thousands of Muslims, destroying their cities, plundering their women and decimating their centers of knowledge. I wonder about what would have happened if the scholars of Islam had chosen just to fight them despite of their resourcelessness instead of doing da'wah to them. I wonder when will this Jihad spirit reorient itself to all aspects of Jihad. I wonder what Muslims think when they say Jihad is a pillar of Islam. I wonder if Qur'an tells us explicitly that we have to bring all the world under Islamic rule. I wonder if Qur'an tells us explicitly that khilafa is our main goal. I wonder that if Qur'an does not do that, does it talk about al-birr, al-taqwa, al-khushoo', al-khudoo', al-infaaq, al-ikhlaas, nearness to Allah, al-inzaar ilal asheeratakal mukaribeen, .... I wonder that if it does then where is it on the agenda of Muslim oraganizations and individuals. I wonder .... PS: A few ramblings. |
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| Anonymous |
| 08/11/01 at 12:00:41 |
| The bombing by the palestinian yesterday was wrong and completely against Islaam. Suicide bombings are Haraam! When will the palkestinians learn this? I know they are suffering, and i know they are being badly treated, but this is not the way to hit back. You target thier military, thier soldeirs, thier brutes, you do NOT EVER blow up little kids. We know how much it hurts us when our kids die at thier hands, yet we turn around and do the same! Is that right? Is that Islaamic? No. These little israeli kids went to have a Pizza, and they got blown to bits, by a muslim, in the name of islaam! This is disgraceful! By all means target thier soldeirs, target thier leaders, and thier politicians, but please leave the kids out of it. We are not Yahuds, we are muslims, we are the good guys, we are not supposed to fall to thier levels to retaliate, please people condemn such suicide bombings. They do nothing for the muslims. I know we have suffered and its hard, but killing little kids is not the way we will liberate palestine. For crying out loud, we are muslims, why are we therefore behaving so UNislaamically? Would the Great Prophet MUhammed (pbuh) have ordered the muslims to havce done such bombings? No, so why do we therefore today, 1500 years later behave and act against what Muhammed (pbuh) taught us? People Palestine is a punishment for us muslims. We have left islaam, we no longer pray, or give Zakaat, we no longer base our lives around islaam, we have been taken in by this world and its greed, we have abandoned our religion, and now Allah is punishing us for it. And it will only improve if we change our way, if we return to islaam. Until then we will continue to suffer. May Allah Guide us All. Abu Khaled how are you my dear Brother? |
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| Ziggy |
| 08/12/01 at 15:24:39 |
| salaamz. firstly...i agree that we need more da'wah...the founder of islamic relief was asked what should be done; helping the oppressed or doing da'wah..he replied that da'wah is the solution. we gotta get to the source of the trouble to stop it. another thing..regarding suicide bombings...someone once told me that it depends on the intention....if u intend to blow urself up for the sake of allah, then so be it. but if its just to get away from the troubles of life then obviously it ain't allowed. thats what i reckon anyway :) plz ppl...pray for the brothers and sisters in Palestine...imagine urself there...u'd hate it...and pray for peace...i know we're talkin about muslims and jews here but in the end...there will be peace, insha Allah..if not in the near future then in the very distant future.. ma-assalaama zakira :-) |
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| jannah |
| 08/13/01 at 12:06:37 |
| Just a reminder we banned the topic of the authenticity of suicide bombings twice before, so let's keep out of that sensitive area that is meant for ulema inshaAllah. |
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| Ziggy |
| 08/13/01 at 12:12:59 |
| salaamz. oops...sorry...i didn't know it was a banned topic...sorry. wassalaam zakira |
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| bhaloo |
| 08/13/01 at 12:27:25 |
| slm I thought we did discuss this before? Se7en? Show me the LINK. :) Sheikh Qaradawi did not refer to these types of actions as suicide bombings but rather as martyrdom operations. I think Azzam publications also says something along these lines as well. |
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| Anonymous |
| 08/13/01 at 12:59:10 |
Assalaamu alaikum, Today, there was one more bomb blast in Jerusalem. Too much blood has been shed on both sides. The rift has widened to the extent that the fire will only vanquish itself when it will be deprived of all its fuel in the form of blood. Forget the Jews-- I wonder when would Muslim organizations and individuals ever recognize that violence is not always the desired solution. >>> When non-muslims recognize the same thing I wonder if the Prophet (saw) would have let his companions self-detonate themselves. >>> There are many examples of where the Sahaba (RAA) laid down their lives, notably the Battle of Uhud. I wonder if he had done so to obtain a piece of land and not to bring people to Islam. I wonder if he also thought that imposing Allah's Will on the affair of a state is the ultimate goal of Islam. I wonder if he thought that his goal was to establish the Shariah on earth in all its entirety. >>> The answer to all these three is in Surah Taubah : Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. And also in Surah Fath : It is He Who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is God for a Witness. I wonder why he didn't accept the kingship of Makkah and then tried to reform the society. I wonder if his followers in Madinah also had gone to such level of inactivity and stupor that the enemies would have the chance to conquer their dwellings. I wonder if having been trodded upon by the enemies, would they have gone to war with their meager means or would they have tried the supremacy of Islamic ideology to counter-conquer their enemies. I wonder if the Mongols were better than jews having killed literally hundreds and thousands of Muslims, destroying their cities, plundering their women and decimating their centers of knowledge. I wonder about what would have happened if the scholars of Islam had chosen just to fight them despite of their resourcelessness instead of doing da'wah to them. >>>> One of the reasons the Moguls were able to conquer the muslims was that the Ulema of those times were too busy discussing trivial issues just at the Moguls wre attacking. It was only when some brave Muslims fought back that the Moguls were defeated. I wonder when will this Jihad spirit reorient itself to all aspects of Jihad. >>>> The "fighting" spirit is totally gone from the muslims today, who are too busy earning their dollars instead of helping their muslim brethren. I wonder what Muslims think when they say Jihad is a pillar of Islam. >>>> The Prophet (SAW) said something like this : "Anyone who dies without doing Jiha, or at least considering it, "... can't remember the rest, but it was comprehensive. I wonder if Qur'an tells us explicitly that we have to bring all the world under Islamic rule. >>>> See my earlier quote in the ayah in Surah Tauba I wonder if Qur'an tells us explicitly that khilafa is our main goal. >>>> Ditto I wonder that if Qur'an does not do that, does it talk about al-birr, al-taqwa, al-khushoo', al-khudoo', al-infaaq, al-ikhlaas, nearness to Allah, al-inzaar ilal asheeratakal mukaribeen, .... I wonder that if it does then where is it on the agenda of Muslim oraganizations and individuals. >>> The sahaba (RAA) had reached the state of all these things before they were permitted to fight. Also, mostof these things are about the relationship between Allah SWT and man, and not the relationship of man to man. |
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| se7en |
| 08/13/01 at 13:28:33 |
| [quote]I thought we did discuss this before? Se7en? Show me the LINK. :)[/quote] [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=general&action=display&num=2920&start=15]Here[/url] is the thread on martyrdom operations. |
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