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| Anonymous |
| 08/16/01 at 21:56:40 |
| salaam alaikum , I've been searching for the hadeeth that talks about how the pious woman of this world will be greater in superiority than the Hoor al-ayn in the next world. Does anyone know where I can find it ??? JazakumAllahu Khairun |
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| *sofia* |
| 08/17/01 at 08:46:01 |
| Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah, I've been trying to find the same hadith. Below is a somewhat unrelated Q/A with Shaikh Ibn Jibreen, in which he mentions this hadith, but with no isnad/collector. The Reward for Women in Paradise Question: Whenever I read the Noble Quran, I find in many verses Allah giving glad tidings to His believing male servants of al-hooral-ain who extol in beauty. Does the woman have any partner in Paradise other than her husband? Furthermore, most of the statements concerning bounties in Paradise are directed toward the believing men. Is the reward of the believing women in Paradise less than that of the believing men? Response: There is no doubt that reward in the Hereafter encompasses both men and women. This is based on the following statements of Allah: "Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, male or female" (al-lmran 195). "Whosoever works righteousness, whether male or female, while he(or she) is a true believer, We will give a good life" (al-Nahl 97). "And whoever does righteous good deeds, being a male or a female, and is a true believer, such will enter Paradise" (al-Nisa 124). "Verily, the Muslims, men and women, the believers, men and women... [up to the end of the verse where Allah says:] Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward" (al-Ahzab 35). Allah mentions them entering into Paradise together, "They and their wives will be in pleasant shade" (Ya Sin 56). Also, "Enter Paradise, you and your wives, in happiness" (al-Zukhruf 70). Allah also mentions that He will-recreate the women in the verse, "Verily, We created them of special creation and made them virgins" (al-Waqia 35-36). That is, Allah will recreate the elderly women and make them virgins. Similarly, Allah will recreate the elderly men and make them youths. It is also mentioned in the hadith that the women of this worldly life have a superiority over al-hoor al-ain due to the acts of worship and obedience that they performed [in this world]. Therefore, the believing women will enter Paradise just like the believing men. If a woman had a number of husbands and she enters Paradise with them, she will choose among them and will choose the one with the best character and behavior. Shaikh Ibn Jibreen |
| NS |
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| se7en |
| 08/18/01 at 01:41:44 |
| wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatAllah, I can't seem to find the hadeeth :( but flow with me a second... if human beings can become nearer to Allah than even the angels, due to their affirming belief in tawheed and consciously choosing to live lives in ubudiyyah to Allah when being granted the ability to do otherwise.. would not then pious women, who struggle and strive in this life fisabilillah be superior to creatures that never went through that sort of struggle? makes sense yeah? Allahu 'alam.. that's just speculation on my part.. maybe I should hijack br abdulbasir's method and put that between asterisks :) It also depends on the nature of the hoor al ayn.. I've heard some say that they are creatures created especially for jannah, and I've heard others say that human beings *transform* into these pure beings when they are accepted into jannah.. Perhaps those more well versed in the subject can shed some light on this issue.. And also keep in mind Muhammad Asad's opinion on the hoor al ayn -- that they are not categorically female and that the term refers to pure companions of jannah of either gender.. A little off topic, but what do y'all think of this? : [i]"It is clear that the term huri, used in the (idhafah) construction hur-al-'ayn, meant something specific to the Jahili Arab. She was 'so called by the Arabs of the desert because of her whiteness or fairness or cleanness'. She was a woman of 'clear complexion and skin'.41 The description given of the huri are specific and sensual - youthful virgin females with large dark eyes, white skin, and a pliant character - 'while nowhere…are found similar descriptions detailing, if not the beauty, at least the modest or even perhaps hidden assets of earthly wives'.42 The specific depiction here of the companions of Paradise demonstrates the Qur'an's familiarity with the dreams and desires of those Arabs. The Qur'an offers the huri as an incentive to aspire after truth. It is impossible to believe that the Qur'an intends white women with large eyes to represent a single universal description of beauty for all humankind. If we take these mythological depictions universally as the ideal female, a number of culturally specific limitations are forced on the divergent audiences of the Qur'an. The value of these particulars is extremely limited. The Qur'an itself demonstrates the limitation of this particular description when the community of believers in Islam had increased in number and established itself at Madinah. After the Makkan period, the Qur'an never uses this term again to depict the companions in Paradise. After Madinah, it describes the companions of Paradise in generic terms, 'For those who keep from evil, with their Lord are Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pure azwaj and contentment from Allah.' (3:15). Keeping in mind my arguments about the generic use of certain terms, 'believers' here are either male or female, especially as azwaj is used for both in the Qur'an." [/i] wasalaamu alaykum. |
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| Saleema |
| 08/18/01 at 12:20:35 |
[slm] There is one aya, (I will post it later inshallah), that says "...whom no *men* or jinn have ever touched." in reference to hur-ul-ayan. To me that does not seem like a generic term, that is the word "men." But it could be something with the translation so I can be wrong. I really have trouble accepting that in heaven there will be a hur awaiting my husband who will be "restraining her glances." In fact, I still do. My husband can have four wives, I do not care, but for him to have "heavenly" women--that makes me sad. :) :) People say that in heaven Allah will take away people's negative feelings and they will feel nothing but happiness. But given that Allah would have said that he would not take away negative feelings such as jealousy, then I think that I certainly would feel jealous towards the hur-ul-ayan. Walahualam. If that aya which talks about the beauty of the hur-ul-ayan that they will have white and pink complexions if that was an enticement for the Arabs of that time *merely*-- does that mean that Allah did not state the truth or made a false promise (auzubillah)? That I know cannot be true because Allah is Good and he likes nothing but good. Or could it mean that whatever people's perception of beauty is-that those are the characteristics that the hur-ul-ayan will possess? If so, how can one infer that from those particular ayat or ahadith? I want to know. :) One more thing. If the women who will enter jannah will be Queens over the hur-ul-ayan, then why have heavenly women? Why go after a commoner when you can have the Queen? :) I just hope to get to heaven inshallah, and stay far, far away from hell. Perhaps that's what counts in the end. [wlm] |
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| Arsalan |
| 08/18/01 at 16:27:00 |
| [slm] I think that we are delving into an issue here which may be categorized under the mutashaabihaat. These are matters of ghayb (unseen), about which Allah has told us very little. Our aqeedah (belief) tells us to have faith in whatever Allah has told us, and not to speculate. Wallahu a'lam. Some comments: - Saleema, the word used in the Qur'an is NOT *men*, it's [i]ins[/i] which means "human." [i]Rijaal[/i] is the Qur'anic word for "men." - I think there are ahaadith that clearly indicate the existence of young boys that will be present in Paradise. These are apart from hoor-al-ayn. - The bottom line about Paradise is very clear. It is a place of pleasure and eternal bliss for all that enter it by the Rahmah (grace) of Allah (swt). There will be no forms of pain, unhappiness, anxiety, sorrow or regret in Paradise. Only pleasure and happiness. To give us a *taste* of *some* of the many kinds of pleasures that we will experience in Paradise, Allah (swt) gives us examples that we can relate to being humans and living on Earth, and, ya'nee, speaks our language so to speak, to relate to us. He thus gives us examples of tasty food, fancy clothing, comfortable abodes, lovely companions, and other things. The ultimate pleasure, of course, is being in the company of phe Righteous (the nabiyyeen, the siddeeqeen, the saaliheen, the shuhadaa', etc) and Allah (swt) Himself! The pleasure of seeing His Face every friday and conversing with Him. Just look at this list. Is there any type of pleasure that is left out? In other words, whatever pleasure you can imagine, it'll be there in Paradise. The point has been made clear with specific examples. And nothing in Paradise will be earthly. Not fruits, not clothing, not jewelery. It'll all be heavenly ... of a nature that we are not aware of, and that we have not experienced. Wallahu ta'aala a'lam. May Allah make us among the dwellers of Paradise ... of its highest level, al-Firdaus. Ameen. Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| Saleema |
| 08/18/01 at 19:03:44 |
| I think there are ahaadith that clearly indicate the existence of young boys that will be present in Paradise. Yes, but they are servants right, to serve you? As far as I know anyway, I may be wrong. They are not for the same purpose as the hur-ul-ayan. I still havent' looked at that ayah, i will look at it tonight inshallah. I was under the impression that word "Rajal" was a generic term??? [wlm] |
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| Anonymous |
| 08/18/01 at 19:12:04 |
| At-Tirmithi related that Omm Salama related " I said 'O Messenger of ALlah, are the women of the worldly life better or the Hoor 'ayn?' He said, "No indeed, the women of the worldy life are better than the Hoor 'Ayn, like the betternment of the outside [of a garment] from the lining." I said, "O Messenger of Allah, how is that?" He said: By their salat, fasting, and worship of Allah, the Mighty and Lofty." Taken from tafseer Ibn Katheer |
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| Arsalan |
| 08/18/01 at 21:01:29 |
| [slm] [quote]I was under the impression that word "Rajal" was a generic term[/quote]The word [i]rajul [pl. rijaal][/i] literally means "men." However, the Qur'an *sometimes* uses this word to refer to both men and women ... though not always. Usually it is clear from the context whether the word is used for both men and women, or just men. Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| zanfaz |
| 08/19/01 at 23:56:14 |
| [slm] Here's an article about HOOR for man or for Woman. I think i posted this article before too in some other thread. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Hoor mentioned in the Qur’an The word hoor occurs in the Qur’an in no less than four different places: (1) In Surah Dukhan chapter 44, verse 54 "Moreover, We shall join them to companions With beautiful, big and lustrous eyes." [Al-Qur’an 44:54] (2) In Surah Al-Tur chapter 52 verse 20 "...And We shall join them to companions, with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes." [Al-Qur’an 52:20] (3) In Surah Rahman chapter 55 verse 72 "Companions restrained (as to their glances), in goodly pavilions." [Al-Qur’an 55:72] (4) In Surah Al-Waqiah chapter 56 verse 22 "And (there will be) companions with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes." [Al-Qur’an 56:22] 2. Hoor Translated as Beautiful Maidens Many translators of the Qur’an have translated the word hoor as ‘beautiful maidens’ especially in the Urdu translations. If hoor means ‘beautiful maidens’ or girls, then they are meant only for the men. Hence, what will the women get if they enter Paradise? 3. Meaning of Hoor The word hoor is actually the plural of ahwar (applicable to man) and of haura (applicable to woman) and signifies a person having eyes characterized by hauar a special quality bestowed upon a good soul, male or female in paradise and it denotes the intense whiteness of the white part of the spiritual eye. The Qur’an describes in several other verses that in paradise you will have azwaj which mean a pair or spouse or companion which means you will have spouses or companions pure and holy (mutaharratun means pure, holy). "But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before", for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (forever)". [Al-Qur’an 2:25] "But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, We shall soon admit to Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath – their eternal home; therein shall they have companions pure and holy: we shall admit them to shades, cool and ever deepening". [Al-Qur’an 4:57] Therefore the word hoor has no specific gender. Mohammad Asad has translated the word hoor as spouse and Abdullah Yusuf Ali as companion. Therefore according to some scholars a man in paradise will have a hoor that is a beautiful maiden with beautiful big and lustrous eyes and a woman in paradise will get a man with beautiful big and lustrous eyes. 4.Women will get something exceptional in Paradise Many scholars say that in context, the word hoor used in the Qur’an refers only to ladies since gents are addressed. A reply that would be accepted by all types of people would rather be the answer given in the Hadith when a similar question was posed that if a man gets a hoor, a beautiful Maiden in Paradise, then what will the women get? The reply was that the women will get that which the heart has not desired for, the ear hasn’t heard off and the eye hasn’t seen, indicating that even the women will get something exceptional in Paradise. |
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| taueeya |
| 08/20/01 at 02:52:22 |
| Assalamu Alaikum, From Riyad-us-Saliheen: Mu`adh bin Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said, "The one who suppresses anger and has the power to give effect to it, will be called out by Allah, the Exalted, to the forefront of the creatures on the Day of Resurrection and he will be asked to choose any of the virgins (Hur) of his liking". [Abu Dawud and At-Tirmidhi]. Commentary: The word `Hur' is the plural of `Haura', an extremely beautiful woman of fair complexion. The word "Ein" is the plural of "Aina", woman with large eyes. Both the words stand for the most beautiful women who will be awarded to Muslims in Jannah. This Hadith mentions the distinction and reward of self-control of a man who, in spite of being powerful and having the means to avenge, suppresses his rage and does not exercise his power. Wassalam. |
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| amatullah |
| 08/28/01 at 15:26:49 |
| Bismillah and salam, sister se7en, they are seperate creatures. The wildan of Jannah the young servants and the Hur are the Jannah creatures which are companions, and then us. Humans are in fact transformed inside and outside to something better before we enter jannah insha'Allah. For example, we enter it the same hight as sayidna Adam who was 60 feet tall and 7 wide. and also we enter in teh best of our youth. On average it is 33 years old. But as someone mentioned whatever you wish for in jannah you have it. So insha'Allah if i am so lucky i will want to be less than 33 haha :) Another point I wanted to mention is that the complexion of the hur ayn is not white and pink from what I read in the 3rd book of the Alashqar series (this one is heaven and hell, i know sister seven reviewd the jin and devils one right?) the last part of a hadeeth Narrated by bukhari and muslim 3an abi hurayra that he said that the prophet said (this is my translation, you can find this book translated by jamal zorabozo): the frist group to enter teh jannah they will like the full moon, .... he can see the most inner part of their legs from behind the mean due to their extreme beauty" so they sound tranparent to me. actually the inner part is described as the brain of their legs from underneath the meat...I know some of us think of the skeleton at the dr.'s but it is not like that :) |
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| Saleema |
| 08/28/01 at 20:24:45 |
| [slm] Transparent? That doesn't sound too appealing. i have a friend who tans occasionaly because she has very light skin, so light that her veins show. I do not think that i have ever seen anyone so light as her in my life. I think she looks better slightly tanned. :) oh who cares? as long as i get there inshallah. :) [wlm] |
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| *sofia* |
| 08/29/01 at 09:44:27 |
| That's the hadith, jazaakAllahu khairan, Anonymous. |
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