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Let the ISNA reviews begin....
Nazia
09/04/01 at 14:13:02
slm, *yawn*  I'm still recovering, and haven't quite gathered all my thoughts on the conference yet--but maybe some of you all have. So..what did you think? Take Care, Wassalam, Nazia

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
Nazia
09/06/01 at 11:38:32
slm, Alrighty, maybe I will get the ball rolling :) I'll break it down, we'll start with lectures first and then move on to environment in general. Alhamdulillah I heard some amazing speakers. Here are a few: Imam Siraj Wahaj Sheikh Hamza Yusuf Imam Alauddin Abu-Bakri Tariq Ramadhan Br. Mohammad Majid I heard Imam Siraj at a MYNA lecture so it was all hyped and motivating, whereas Sheikh Hamza, Imam Abu-Bakri, and Tariq Ramadhan were at MSA lectures and therefore quite informative.  Br. Mohammad Majid spoke at an ISNA session and he was very interesting as well. But aside from the lectures and stuff, I found certain things QUITE disturbing. "The Players Lounge" at *Club ISNA* is getting worse and worse every year.  This time they had cops show up with sniffing dogs, and a fight broke out amongst some brothers.  Guys were repeatedly making obscene comments to passing sisters, even those totally covered in hijab!  It was disgusting! Astaghfirullah. Subhan'Allah the organizers work so hard to unite so many Muslims; and really, in America, ISNA is the only place you can gather together over 30,000 Muslims, and its such a shame that we don't take advantage of it. The Bazaar was nice, I got some nice hijabs and books.  And Subhan'Allah, the Islamic Art was beautiful!  Oh! And I got the coolest MSA shirt.   It said: I made the DEEN's list. hehe! cute huh?? The women's fashion show was sooo cute!  Masha'Allah there are some sisters with MAD talent out there, Alhamdulillah! Oh, and I didn't see anyone from the board!  But Meraj, I *think* I saw you when I was talking to your sisters.  Were you there when me and your dad (I think) and sisters were talking to Aminah Assilmi? Well, those are some of my random thoughts... Take Care, Wassalam, Nazia

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
meraj
09/06/01 at 14:32:25
slm, [quote]Oh, and I didn't see anyone from the board!  But Meraj, I *think* I saw you when I was talking to your sisters.  Were you there when me and your dad (I think) and sisters were talking to Aminah Assilmi?[/quote] yep.. 'twas me :)

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
deenb-4dunya
09/06/01 at 16:05:17
ISNA was great..alhamdulillah..except..Brother Mokhtar didn't show up..and as u said...the Playa's lounge was sad. The youth would stay up everyday from the last lecture (10:30) until fajr chilling in the lounge..guys and girls! it was sad. Ididn't hear about thepolice or the fight, what happened?

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amatullah
09/06/01 at 16:18:41
Bismillah and salam, can you please share and write the info you learnt from lecturse? I would love to read and learn from you guys who went.

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
meraj
09/06/01 at 16:46:07
slm, [quote]I heard Imam Siraj at a MYNA lecture so it was all hyped and motivating...[/quote] i second that.. the last myna session of the conference by imam siraj wahaj was awesome mashallah... it was not only spiritually inspiring and meaningful, but it was pretty funny.. especially the part about 'meat eyes' :D and of course the other knowledgeable speakers who spoke were awesome as well... imam alledin el-bakri is awesome too... and did anyone listen to any of br. monem sallam's lectures? he's an awesome youth speaker from dallas... nazia i think you may know who i'm talking about.. the huntsville youth invited him to speak not too long ago. [quote]Subhan'Allah the organizers work so hard to unite so many Muslims; and really, in America, ISNA is the only place you can gather together over 30,000 Muslims, and its such a shame that we don't take advantage of it.[/quote] i hear ya :( theres so many peopel who go and waste their timew, and theres so many people who dont have the opportunity to go who could really benefit from it (but inshallah we can all benefit from it anyway)... but you're right, it is sad to see that going on... but whatever, peopel who do those things, its their loss.. they miss the good lectures and events and they know they will have to answer for their actions. overall i think it was pretty good this year alhamdulillah. i dunno, it might just be me but there seemed to be slightly less people there than most times its been held in chicago, though it seemed more crowded and hectic... though that was due in part to the sorta less-than adequate planning overall. but still, i agree.. the organizers have a totally ifferent type of crowd to deal with than most other american organizations. and considering the circumstances, i say they do an awesome job with what they have mashallah.. and the way the convention crowd has been growing each year is evidence of that. the ISNA convention is one of the few big events i really look forward to each year, cause of the lectures, meeting friends, the bazaar, and just being around so many muslims in one place at once, all right here in our very own country. subhanallah, its somethign i wish everyone could have the opportunity to experience. so yeah thats my basic run-down of my convention experience :) i cant wait until next year.. its gonna be in DC inshallah ;-D oh yeah and this has nothign to do with the convention, but if you ever go to chicago and visit devon avenue, you *have* to eat at Sabri Nehari... oh man.. that place is the best mashallah! its worth going to chicago just to eat there ;)

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bhaloo
09/06/01 at 19:19:39
slm [quote]can you please share and write the info you learnt from lecturse? I would love to read and learn from you guys who went. [/quote] Some of these people that went to the lectures refurse to write notes, even though I have been asking them for a few years now. :(  But fortunately we don't have to rely on them, the lecture are up in their entirety with video/audio on the ISNA website. http://www.isna.net I think www.islam.org also points there as well.  Enjoy. :) Wait a second ISNA convention is the only place you can gather 30,000 people in one place? I doubt that.  Typically during the Eid prayers out in my county in California and out in Texas as well there are over 20,000 people that show up for the prayers, and those aren't the only Eid prayers happening in the county.  Its really sad that something like the ISNA convention is not out in some place like Texas or California where many more people could go and benifit.

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Arsalan
09/06/01 at 20:51:31
[slm] [quote]Its really sad that something like the ISNA convention is not out in some place like Texas or California where many more people could go and benifit. [/quote]Thank you!  Thank you!  Thank you!!!!! That's what I've been saying for the past 5 years! [sigh]

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
destined
09/06/01 at 22:46:28
[slm] Alhamdulillah, I had the chance to go. I'm not going to get into what I didn't like or didn't approve or at least I'll try not to. I'm just glad I went. Some of the speakers I heard are: Umar Farooq-Abd-Allah Imam Alauddin Al-Bakri Anwar Awlaqi Hamza Yusuf Siraj Wahaj Anas Osman Muhammad Al Shareef Ingrid Mattson and some young huffaz with beautiful qiraath I was really looking forward to hearing Shaikh Yacubi and Mokhtar Magroui but as some of you may know neither one of them made it. Okay, I do have one complaint--or more of a comment. The weather here in Chicago was pretty bad the night before the conference. And so several flights of the speakers were either delayed or cancelled. I think I went to several lectures expecting a certain speaker and topic but they were either postponed, cancelled, or a substitute was found ( the latter was no problem for me) Yes, I know this was beyond anyone's control but I missed a lot of lectures due to this :( The Bazaar: What can I say about the bazaar? The Mother of all bazaars. Well, I spent a lot of time there. They had just about everything you can think of--literally. I got several items including some tapes of Muhammad Al Shareef, I've never seen them online and didn't even know he had tapes of his. These brothers from Virginia set up their booth (Dar Al-Arqam) and had a lot his tapes. The furthest I saw anyone come from was London. These 2 bros came and set up their booth they had tapes by "Shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyadh ul Haq" I had never heard of him but the brother was kind enough to explain almost every tape that caught my eye so I ended up buying some. Has anyone heard him b4?  Didn't listen to em yet. Since, a sister asked to share some of the ilm.... Imam Alauddin Al-Bakri - he's from Canada this is the first time I heard him speak. The particular lecture I went to he talked about the Methodology of the Prophet SAWS. I think I benefited from his lecture the most that weekend. He started off by saying how our first and foremost concern should be saving our own necks from the Hell-fire. That we don't even want to get close to the Fire for just going near its heat will burn our faces--turning them BLACK. Often times we are very enthused about this deen we want to do dawah to this person or start this group and what not. And he went on to say why don't we ever think of ourselves first? That should be our number one priority. I mean yes of course dawah is important he talked about that as well but he was merely saying work on yourself first and foremost. He went on to say yes there may be people in certain parts of the world that haven't even heard of Islam. And perhaps they may even die without knowing about Isalm but why are we worried about them so much?? yes, we will be accountable for them on the DOJ but Allah the All Mighty is the Just--do you not think he will give them a fair chance? (those are his words--not mine) He proceeded to say that being a scholar ppl think oh you're set now--you're going to Jannah--Khalaas. Well, he said it's nothing like that at all. The scholars are the most stressed out worried people. Once you get up there and speak to those ppl you are responsible for all the knowledge you relate and whether you act upon it or not. He went on to say how a certain scholar of the past (can't remember who) his daughter (I think) would say to him "I don't see you sleeping but 2 or 3 hours each night" (don't quote me on that) and that certain scholar proceeded to say the Fire of Hell keeps him up--he was so worried about saving himself from the Fire. He went on to talk about following the Prophet SAW's footsteps from everything to how he did dawah to his companions (may Allah be pleased with them). For instance, at his masjid in Canada the brothers are always eager to get some naseeha from him like they expect it ALL the time (which isn't a bad thing) but he said that the Prophet SAWS would give some really strong naseeha to his companions but once in a while not *every* single day or all the time. He also related the story of the blind man who came to the Prophet (pbuh) and asked him about Islam--but the Prophet (pbuh) sort of shunned him away because he was doing dawah to some disbelievers. Then Allah SWT revealed a verse correcting him saws--(I can't remember the verse). And then from that point on whenever the Prophet (pbuh) would see that blind man he would say with great joy here is the man whom Allah corrected me. So, basically what he was saying here--The Prophet SAWS was doing dawah to the disbelievers who did not even want to hear what he was saying then a man who was interested in Islam came to him--he shouldn't have shunned him away. This was such an excellent lecture but I can't seem to remember the rest...if I do i'll post it later inshaAllah Anwar Awlaqi - for this particular lecture he was originally supposed to do the lives of Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim but he changed it because they couldn't find enough info on Imam Muslim--honestly I don't remember what he changed the topic to and I can barely remember what he said because this lecture was friday night and sunday is already blurry to me...but here's some of what I do remember: He talked about the Prophets and how Prophet Musa 3layhis salaam is one of the most talked about in the Qur'an. ANd if one were to read it not knowing it were the Qur'an they would think it's a book about Musa (AS). He said so many other things about the Prophets (peace be upon them) Sorry I just can't remember... He related a story of Umar ibn Al-Khattab RadiAllahu 3nhu as to when he said "I laughed and then I cried" He explained why Umar (RU) said that--basically this line refers to a time before Umar (RU) came to Islam. "I laughed" - back in the time before Umar (RU) became Muslim he was an idolater. One time I think he was travelling and he forgot to bring his god with him. They used to have portable gods and they would pray to them as well. So, he had brought some dates to eat--thus he proceeded to construct his god out of the dates and he prayed to him--made sujood and all that. Then later he got hungry and had no more food with him so he ate his god. Thus he laughed... "I cried" - back in those times the people used to burry their daughters alive. Umar (RU) had just had a baby girl and he was going to burry her. He was digging her grave and some of the dirt was getting on his beard and so when he went to put his daughter into the grave she cleaned his beard (with her body) thus he cried... Anwar Awlaqi continued to tell heart warming stories like the aforementioned forgive me as I can't remember them now -- *sigh* I wish I took notes One more lecture I'd like to share is the one by Muhammad Al Shareef. The topic was "Out of Adversity Comes Growth". The focal points were sabr (patience) and shukr (gratitude). Well, if you want to know what he said read his khutbah "Sabr or Shukr" because he related majority of what's in that khutbah. I'll reiterate a little of what he said: He talked a lot about people who sold their deen. How some people would give into the idolaters just to forgo any kind of torture. The following are those who affirmed in Laa illaha ill Allah. The family of Yasir--a family of martyrs. This family was horridly tortured by the pagan idolaters in Makkah for accepting Islam. It was Yasir, his wife Sumayya and their son Ammar. Yasir's wife Sumayya was the first martyr in Islam--I believe she was killed by Abu Jahl. Her husband then son became martyrs after her. The Prophet SAWS would pass by them and wouldn't be able to do anything. He SAWS would say to them something along the lines of: O family of Yasir be patient. And all three of them were the first Muslims whom the Prophet SAWS gave glad tidings to--they were all promised Paradise. I think it was one of the four imaams who was whipped and tortured. He was lashed over 80 times. He said after lash number 20 he didn't not feel anything anymore for his body became numb. BUT he still prayed that day STANDING UP with the his shirt still bloody--subhanAllah. There are three types of Sabr that the Muslim must have: a. Sabr in the obedience of Allah. For example, One must be patient and perform their Fajr at it's time. b. Sabr in not disobeying Allah. Like someone might say, "I have to listen to music in the car." No you are command by He who gave you those ears to not listen to those lullabies of the Devil. And you must have Sabr in not disobeying Allah. c. Sabr in what Allah Decrees on us. For example, if our child was to pass away we should be patient and seek the reward of Allah in our patience and say only that which is pleasing to Allah. He talked bout sabr and shukr in every aspect of our lives. That we will be tested with health, wealth, adversity, prosperity, hardships, sickness, and the list goes on. One more thing--You know I think it was Br Anas Osman who was talking a lot about not judging people. And how this was prolly the reason that many Muslims all over the country did not come to ISNA. And he continued to relate a hadith (which I'm trying to find right now) about a person who transgressed but he [or she] will revive this Ummah. Well, something along the lines of that. But basically that really got to me --well now I think to myself for each and every person that I may think of like that--they have the potential to revive this deen--if Allah SWT wills it can happen.   I tell this to myself first and last. Allahu 'Alam Aight--those of you who went or have knowledge on anything I related--if I made any errors in anything please correct me jazakAllah khair wassalaam

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
Arsalan
09/06/01 at 21:55:41
[slm] Masha Allah destined, that was truly awesome! Alauddin Bakri's session was truly the best.  And it's not available online either (you hear that BHALOO??) I'll try to write a review of my own tomorrow bi-idhnillah.

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amatullah
09/06/01 at 23:06:37
Bismillah and salam, I think the aya might be this ABMAA,BAAA: 3abasa wa tawala in ja'ah-ula3ma because Allah is teaching the prophet how to complete and refine himslef. Here a believer who is weak versus the powerful and influencial disbeliever. Our deen sub7an Allah came to complete manners. jazaka Allah kul khayr wa baraka Allahu feeka akhi insha'Allah. I really liked the part about how the pious scholars do ijtihad and fear Allah. It really made me think and want to implement some changes insha'Allah and with His help.

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
meraj
09/07/01 at 00:10:13
slm, [quote]and some young huffaz with beautiful qiraath[/quote] there were several of them, mashallah.. but if you mean the tall guy who recited before siraj wahaj's final myna session i know who that is.. his name is wisam and he's my brother in law's cousin.. mashallah hes got one of the best recitations i've ever heard :)

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Fatoosh
09/07/01 at 01:08:42
slm [quote]but if you ever go to chicago and visit devon avenue, you *have* to eat at Sabri Nehari... oh man.. that place is the best mashallah! its worth going to chicago just to eat there ;) [/quote] that's right. It is awesome. not just the food, but the service and the look of the place is sooooooo much better than everything else on Devon.  But there's many more reasons to come to Chicago :) Hmmm I guess I can't say too much about the convention since I was stuck behind a booth for the whole time until the bazaar closed. But alhamdulilah some of the best people at ISNA were at my booth. I was able to see about half of the sisters entertainment session on Saturday. Mashallah it was pretty good. Sunday night I sneaked off early thinking that I could attend half of Omar Farooq Abudllah's lecture, and the entire Hamza Yusuf lecture. But the hall was full and there must have been 300 people standing in front of the doors. I had to struggle to not cry. Can you imagine being at ISNA and not catching a single lecture? :( But I went to the main session which was at the same time and heard Amina Aljundali. She was pretty good. Spoke about Muslims needing to reach out to non Muslims, etc.  And the entertainment I was at until the kids from Rochester, NY finished singing. That was all very good except when they showed the pictures of people suffering... I was glad my lil bro wasn't there, he would have had nightmares. I did get to see Jannah and Se7en which was cool. I also got to chat with Ingrid Matson and Aminah Asslimi. salaam Fatoosh

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
zeyn
09/07/01 at 09:09:34
as salam o aliakum sorry couple of comments main reason isna wont come to houston at least is 2 reasons..not enough hotel space close to convention center..but in couple of years that should change as new hotels being built. and finally not enough reliable help in host city (that i can vouch for in houston..) about imam alaedeen bakri..he actaully libyan ..grew up in jordan..then studied in pakistan..then went to riyadh where he was with the dawah institute there (with ahmed deedat and company i believe) then was imam in NW indiana (also worked alot with IMAN) now is i believe in California. FINALLY all the msa lectures should be available on tape and/or video soon.. Zeyn

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Arsalan
09/07/01 at 12:04:41
[slm] [quote]FINALLY all the msa lectures should be available on tape and/or video soon..[/quote]Cool!  Thanks for the scoop zeyn.  It would be nice if they could put something about it on the web site (once it's back up and running) once they're ready.

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se7en
09/08/01 at 03:07:16
[quote]They also passed around sample marriage contracts [/quote] Nazia hook a sister up :)  Is it long?  Perhaps you'd consider typing it up for your beloved madina sisters and brothers.. out of your incredible sense of generosity and kindness? ;)

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*sofia*
09/08/01 at 06:22:24
Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah I concur, I had never heard of al-Bakri, but he turned out to be one of the best speakers there, masha'Allah.  I was happy to see so many new-to-ISNA speakers, and also a bit disappointed by some of the no-shows (who, I'm sure, all had good reason, but would have been nice to see/hear them). I don't know if it was just me, but it seemed there was less diversity overall, in terms of the crowd, this year.  And the presense of the all-night-desi-swingers-club was definitely more noticeable as well (not that they were all desi, but again, seemed there was little diversity). Some highlights (mostly already stated): *the launch of the EID STAMP! Masha'Allah, ppl, get your eid stamp on, now available at post offices near you. *the wealth of knowledge of every speaker there (wish I had taken better notes) *qira'ah recitations *CAIR and other organizations makin it plain *MSA lectures are usually the most beneficial, for me at least, although I'm no longer in school and try not to bum rush like the aunties.  Brother Yahya (abused by school/police officials) and the al-Arain intern were there as well, as pointed out by MSA prez bro Altaf. *congressional members showing their support *the bazaar!  but man, there were like 10x more shalwar kameez booths than jilbaab/hijaab...had a hard time with clothing, but the book/audio/video/software selections get better every year, masha'Allah.  Good deals to be had at ISNA.  And Dawud Wharnsby's singing to the kiddies at the Soundvision booth was also nice. If I could make some suggestions to ISNA, it would be to change locations more often.  Alhamdulillah, it'll be in D.C. next year, but if they could find venues in CA and TX, etc, I mean hey, if you're gonna fly to ISNA, why not fly to different places every year?  And since it'll be so obviously east-coast next year, maybe they'll round it out the following year by having it on the west coast, insha'Allah.

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
zeyn
09/08/01 at 09:58:58
just to let eveyone know ..next 2 years for sure after DC isna will be in chicago again (at mccormick place) zeyn

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sakeena
09/08/01 at 12:07:08
salaamualaikum, it's going to be in chicago again after DC?  how'd you find that out?  not that i'm complaining or anything :) sakeena

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bhaloo
09/09/01 at 00:59:04
slm Zeyn, is there any way to convince people to have it in the Los Angeles area?  There isn't any problem out here of accomdating people out here nor is there an issue about convention space.

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jannah
09/09/01 at 01:48:01
wlm, booking conventions takes years of planning.. there are ppl who book conventions 10 years in advance.. that Muslims are doing it 4 years in advance is amazing.. mashallah i'm sure if they get tons of feedback from ppl that they want it in cali they might, but is there enough support for it to be there? remember they need tons of volunteers and workers who dedicate a whole year practically to plan and execute it...

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Anonymous
09/09/01 at 04:55:54
assalamou alaikoum some advice for next year: I work in d.c. about 5 blocks from where the convention will be held..The washington convention center. The only hotel near the center i've noticed is a Hyatt across the street. There's A marriot on 14th street near freedom plaza also...that ain't near the center. The Convention center is under renovation and i can still recall the roof caving in last spring during construction. It's in the relatively good part of d.c. but if you go a few more blocks you'll hit some parts of northeast and that area isn't very pleasant for visitors, for locals it's not a big deal. Guests might be able to obtain cheap hotels in the virginia and maryland suburbs but i think it'll be difficult to arrive at the convention center without having your own car. There's also hardly any parking in the area unless you count the parking lots that cost from $9 to $11 for a few hours. Don't park on D.c. streets!!, 40% of D.c.'s income is obtained through parking tickets. The good part about Isna in Chicago is they've been holding it near the Airport and there's shuttles you can take from the airport to the convention center or you can take the cta train. This is not the case for the washington convention center, unless the center will be providing that service in the future. There are a few metro stops near the convention center but not many. Your best bet would be to take an amtrak train to union station and have a relative whom is a local to pick you up. If you're going to fly to d.c. and won't have someone pick you up, you might want to fly into reagan national airport which is the nearest airport to D.C. BWI is called baltimore washington international but it's really closer to baltimore than it is to D.C. Don't be fooled by the cheaper ticket prices, the amount you save from flying into BWI will be spent with a taxi cab trip to washington d.c. The other airport you can use to fly into D.c. is dulles. Dulles international provides shuttle service to reagan national airport. You can take the metro from reagan national airport and you might be able to find your way around d.c. If you want comfortable luxury hotels like the doubletree{that might be a regular hotel for you, but for me it's fancy when the room isn't dirty} you'll most likely find that in the Dulles airport area which is no where near D.C. This isn't a city the size of chicago it's largely made up of huge suburbs. We don't really have Devon st food in D.c. but we do have some killer afghan kabob resturaunts. Just to name a few, ask around for "the afghan resturaunt"..."kabob corner"...and "charcoal kabob." I PROMISE you...you won't be disappointed.   This is just a little advice for people who are going to be travelling to d.c. for the first time next year. I'm sure Altaf Hussein, the president of msa national, can give you more info next year before the conference takes place because he knows the area well.   May Allah preserve you all and strengthen your iman. May Allah guide us to the straight path and only allow us to die as muslims. wassalamou alaikoum

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zeyn
09/09/01 at 09:25:51
as salam o alaikum, like jannah said..it takes years of planning..i believe city conventions bureau actually bid for isna to come to the cities..again i do not speak for isna just some stuff i have gathered from working with them. zeyn p.s. sis sakeena ..isna has announced that it will be in chicago after DC as they need that time to start planning for it (reserving hotel rooms etc.)

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Anonymous
09/10/01 at 12:54:05
salaam, Se7en, I found a sample of a marriage contract Sample of Islamic Marriage Contract (Nikah) On this ________day of, 14___A.H. corresponding to_______, 20___C.E. I, _________________representative of ______________,have officiated the marriage ceremony (Nikah) of the following couple in accordance with Islamic law (Shari'ah) and their expression of mutual assent, as noted below. GROOM I, _____________________son of ______________________, solemnly propose to marry Miss _______________________daughter of ______________________, and take her as my wife. I agree to pay as a Mahr to her now the sum of US $______. BRIDE I, _____________________daughter of ____________________,  accept the solemn proposal of Mr._________________________son of Mr.___________________to take me as his wife. I accept an early Mahr of US $_____ and a later Mahr of US $_____. IMAM I, __________________, Representative of _______________declare according to Islamic Shari'ah that the foregoing couple are husband and wife. May Allah bless them, Amin. GROOM    ___________________ Address _________________________ BRIDE      ___________________ Address _________________________ Wakeel    ___________________ Address _________________________ Witness 1___________________  Address _________________________ Witness 2___________________  Address _________________________ Officiated by:________________ Address _______________________ The above contract is from Marriage and Family in Islam by Mohammad Mazhar Hussaini (except the 20__ C.E part,the book has 19__ C.E - outdated ) btw- sis Nazia why did you remove your post I thought it was very beneficial ???

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Nazia
09/10/01 at 14:34:19
slm, [quote]btw- sis Nazia why did you remove your post I thought it was very beneficial [/quote] *ahem*  I didn't remove my post.  It was [i]accidently[/i] removed by one of the admins *cough* se7en *cough* ;-D I found the marriage contract from ISNA...it was a little different, I'll try to type it up tomorrow Insha'Allah, Take Care, Wassalam Nazia

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
se7en
09/10/01 at 19:12:51
I'm sorry! :(

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Nazia
09/10/01 at 19:16:24
slm, S'all good yo! I was just messin with ya :) Take Care, Wassalam, Nazia

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Anonymous
09/12/01 at 00:38:25
I attended the recent ISNA and MAS conventions in Chicago.  I was saddened by the outright racism displayed by some at the ISNA convention. As a fifty+ African-American believing Muslimah I have faced prejudice and discrimination on many fronts.  I had heard about the attitude of some immigrant and 1st generation Muslims towards African-American Muslims.  I decided to see what things were like between us once we left our immediate communities.  Considering the theme of the ISNA convention, I expected to find people on their best behaviour.  That was not the case.  When a sister who was sitting next to me in a prayer row at Ju'Mah actually got up and moved her family away from me to a different row, I knew that I was not welcome.  I might as well have been an alien the way people stared at me every where I went at the convention. Discrimination is an awful thing to experience.  When I read about the recent government assault in Texas my first thought was "Now they know how we (Afr-Am,s) feel."  I pray that this kind of assault will not happen again but I suspect that it will.  I also suspect that there will be other conventions like ISNA's Chicago event.  The theme should have been "For Immigrant Muslims Only".  No wonder MAS held a seperate convention.   Why go where you're not welcome?

Re: Let the ISNA reviews begin....
jannah
09/12/01 at 01:09:09
Anonymous, Are you sure they moved away because you were African American and they wanted nothing to do with you? It's true ppl at ISNA are not always friendly..alot of ppl go there just to socialize with their friends and there's just so many ppl of all different ages. Last year it seemed ppl were friendlier and I met more new ppl and made new friends. Anyway it's unfortunate you felt that way at ISNA. I seem to recall alot of African Americans and other indigenous americans there. I wonder if they felt the same? It's been a few people's dreams to have the ISNA/ICNA/MAS Conventions together. Perhaps you can help with working on these groups to get together! I wonder about your statement: "When I read about the recent government assault in Texas my first thought was "Now they know how we (Afr-Am,s) feel." The assualt in Texas is a loss to many excellent Islamic organizations, Islamic work and networking in this country not to mention the Ummah as a whole. I don't think one should applaud that for getting people to realize there is descrimination in the world.
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