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list of "inconsistencies"
destined
09/14/01 at 17:05:20
[slm] I got this from another discussion board (permission was taken from the author) _____________________________________________________________________ Salaam I wrote this earlier but it hasn't showed up on the board so I'm sending it again... if it is posted twice, I apologize in advance... Below are a list of "inconsistencies" with the current stories being brought out by the FBI/CIA/media. The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania did so at a very steep angle; almost a 90 degree angle from the ground. We have been told that this is due to a fight that went on in the cockpit between hijackers and passengers. One theory is that the hijackers knowing that they would never reach their intended target, decided to plunge the plane into the ground.  Whatever the actual reason was, there is a slight problem with all variations. Modern day aircrafts have a sensor and if they are going in a steep decline, the plane will override the pilot and correct the altitude and raise the nose of the plane. However, there is no chance a plane can correct itself if the descent is not occuring from inside the cockpit but was shot down instead. If this plane was not shot down, why did it not correct itself? Later it was found out some passenger called from a cell phone and while explaining said, "Wait a minute, there's a puff of smoke from outside.....", furthering the "plane was shot down" explanation. Washington is not classified as flying space; in fact, any plane that flies over Washington is to be shot down if not identified. When you consider that there had already been 2 confirmed airplane collisions with buildings that were already identified as "apparent terrorist attacks", why was this plane allowed to fly into Washington? International media has footage of an American fighter circling over the World Trade Center between the 2 collisions in New York. Why is this not being shown anymore and what was that plane doing there? How in the world did air traffic control not catch on to 4 seperate airplanes going in 4 completely wrong paths? Especially confusing is the fact that with 2 collisions already, one would think that the Air Traffic Controllers would be on the lookout for such things. If Air Traffic Control did catch on, why was no action taken? It is virtually impossible to hijack a plane in the United States; one must think, how much harder if 4?? How can 3-6 seperate people get on board with knives and what not and NOT A SINGLE PERSON get caught? What is the probablities of that happening? The Arabic flight manual. Two things arise from this: Whoever committed these crimes KNEW what he was doing, they would have trained monthes to prepare for this "mission". You wouldn't be trying to read a flight manual on your way to a mission, you'd already be trained. Of all the vehicles in the airport parking lot, how did the authorities know so quickly which van to search into, within hours of the attacks? The authorities were quick to tell us that they had suspects in this case and that they had been taken into custody; the two Bukhari brothers from the Emirates. Who then suddenly were not from the Emirates, but were from Saudi Arabia. Who then... turned out to be dead... a year ago? "Bukhari's brother, Ameer Bukhari, died in a small plane crash in Florida last year" {taken from CNN}. How reliable is this "investigation" if their suspects were dead a year before the crime was committed? Moreoever, when CNN quietly corrected itself, {did not make an apology}, it stated, "Based on information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari of Vero Beach Florida, were suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World Trade Center." How is it that MULTIPLE law enforncement sources viewed the Bukhari brothers as suspects, when one of them was dead for a year? It is hard to believe one person would view a dead person as a suspect, but for multiple people? They went on to say that "A federal law enforcement source now tells CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI polygraph and is not considered a suspect." Finally concluding with, "Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year." Of course, he is no longer a supect. "Air force one is next" read the threat note; and within the note was the secret code representing Air Force One that only someone working within the CIA would know; the note also said something about knowing where the president was going to be at; the question becomes, How did these criminals know such sensitive information? If this was the work of a terrorist, terrorists work by trying to "send a message" to the group/organization/country involved. To do so, the terrorists behind the attack must identify themselves and reveal their purposes. No group has done so this far. Whoever did this wants the world to remain in speculation and look towards the "obvious" suspects. Moreover, as we all know, the United States keeps track of all groups it deems as a "threat" {whatever that may mean}. How was it that the United States was totally unprepared for this attack?

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
Asim
09/14/01 at 22:39:10
Assalaamu alaikum, About the plane that crashed in PA, there is definitely some confusion. I remember around 9.30 on Tuesday I heard a news that a distressed plane was about to land at Cleveland airport. This news was attributed to the Mayor of Cleveland, but since then I never heard of it. Also, by 9.30 I am pretty sure U.S. officials and air force must have known that this particular plane had been hijacked. Another very compelling evidence that indicates the plane was shot down is the fact that the debris of the plane is spread over 8 miles. This shows that the plane disintegrated while still in the air. There seems to be a cover up, and in general, you can't really trust the information that comes out of the government in these circumstances. Wasalaam.

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
pakiprncess
09/15/01 at 01:40:40
asalaam alaikum dearest friends - this is got in an e-mail and was wondering about...i guess this adds to the inconsistencies: ************ [i](Someone's already forwarded this CAIR, but please do what you can to investigate this or find evidence either way. And forward this so that a wider audience can be involved.)[/i] I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south. There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue. A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people are hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Finally, I'd like to say that we all regret and condemn all that has happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point here. I really don't want to be misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had shown no respect for other countries in the last decades. In the 60s and 70s they had halped lots of military coups throughout the world (including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush Father, the Washington Consensus have been demolishing the bases of our economies, making us more and more dependant (and, many of us, preoccupied with this situation). Your current president quickly made things worse: Kioto Protocol, Star Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain forest for pieces of external debt, tha abandonment of the position of third party in negotiations between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those mistakes in US external politics made your country more hated than before, and, of course, more vulnerable. Listen, I'm NOT justifying the terrorist actions that took place in your country; but it seems to me that, if your leaders had come along another path of thoughts and actions, you wouldn't be suffering what you are now. Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for the best of all of us. Marcio A. V. Carvalho State University of Campinas - Brazil ************* please post any ideas/knowledge anyone has abotu this subject. jazakallahkhair.... ps...how about we start our own "vigil" type thing? did you notice how FAST, via email, the idea spread to light a candle at 7 pm today? and did you notice a lot of churches were sponsoring this idea? anyoen have any islamic ideas that the ummah can participate in to show our unity?

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
se7en
09/16/01 at 02:45:23
"NEW YORK (AP) - The passport of a suspected hijacker was discovered near the ruins of the World Trade Center, authorities said Saturday as exhausted rescue workers clawed through the wreckage, searching unsuccessfully for signs of life." It's incomprehensible to me that people do not question a story like this?!  The hijacker was not only carrying a passport in his name, but it happened to fall *from the sky* and landed, in one piece, legible, near the ruins of the WTC only to be discovered by a rescue worker???

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
ahmer
09/16/01 at 08:11:13
yes absolutely adding to the list. Everything was burned in the crash except the passport and they found it in a fine condition. wow! and by the way what's the use of passport on a domestic flight? Why did the terrorists need a passport? They were travelling only in the US.!!!

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
Saleema
09/17/01 at 08:18:43
Who did it and why? THE FACTS: 1. The World Trade Center in New York suffered a big blast causing large craters in the basement floors of the building. However, there was no structural damage and the building remains standing. 2. Mohammad Salameh, a Palestinian, age 26 years, entering the U.S. on a Jordanian passport was arrested in connection with the blast. 3. Nidal Ayyad, age 25, years, a U.S. citizen was arrested in connection with the blast. 4. Mohammad Salameh and Nidal Ayyad have a reputation of being a decent young men, mild mannered with no record of crime, terrorism or indecency. 5. Mohammad Salameh rented a Ryder Econoline van in his own name but gave the phone number of another person, Josie Hadas, living in Jersey City, New Jersey. 6. Mohammad Salameh rented the van to haul some material for Josie Hadas, yet it has remained unreported his point of pick up and his destination. 7. A day before the blast Mohammad Salameh tried to make a report of the theft of the rented van to the police but the police refused to take the report because he did not have the van's license plate number. 8. The day of the blast Mohammed Salameh reported the theft of the rented van to Ryder, obtained the license plate number and made a report at the police station. 9. The day after the blast Mohammad Salameh went back to Ryder and demanded his deposit of $400.00 but was returned only $200.00. He was arrested before he boarded a bus. 10. Police reported that they had recovered some wiring, bomb making instructions in the English language and traces of explosives from a closet of JOSIE HADAS's apartment. 11. It has been reported that Josie Hadas is an operative of the Israeli terrorist organization, MOSSAD; Josie Hadas' whereabouts remain unreported to the media and the people of the U.S. 12. Nothing of a suspicious nature was found at the apartment of Mohammad Salameh or at the mosque where he, allegedly, went for his prayers. 13. Three days later the police reported that they found at the outer fringe of the blast crater some metal scrap, allegedly, belonging to the van rented by Mohammad Salameh. 14. Shaikh Omar Abderrahman, an Egyptian scholar, was arrested, tried and acquitted in Egypt in connection with the assassination of Anwar Sadat, the Egyptian President most hated by his people but loved by the West and Israel. 15. Shaikh Omar Abderrahman is a respected blind scholar with a doctorate degree and Hafiz (memorizer) of the Qur'an and he has never been convicted of any crime in the U.S. or any other country of the world. 16. Accusation and allegation is not the same as conviction; until a conviction is obtained the story of the accused is the most probable truth and should be told to the people. 17. Israel is trying to make a connection between the blast at the World Trade Center, Mohammad Salameh and HAMAS (an Islamic reform and revival movement in Palestine), that is, in part Israel searches for justification for exiling 415 Palestinian scholars, doctors, professors and Muslim leaders from their ancestral homeland. 18. The media was quick in associating Mohammad Salameh and Nidal Ayyad with "Islamic fundamentalism" and Masjid Al-Salam; however, they withheld the information about the identity of the religious denomination and the church to which Michael F. Griffin, the accused killer of Dr. David Gunn of Florida, belonged and the identity of the pastor whose sermons he listened to. THE FICTION, ALLEGATIONS AND THEORIES: 1. The World Trade Center was bombed by terrorists. 2. Mohammad Salameh and Nidal Ayyad were involved in the bombing operation and it was the work of some Middle Eastern group. 3. The World Trade Center blast, if it was a terrorist bombing, was the work of Israeli terrorism agency, MOSSAD, to frame Muslims, defame "Islamic fundamentalism" and to continue with criminal policy of exiling Muslim leaders. 4. Josie Hadas, an Israeli intelligence, espionage and terrorism agency MOSSAD operative, and employer of Mohammad Salameh, has disappeared. 5. Josie Hadas, Israeli MOSSAD operative, was taken into custody by the police and was quietly sent back to Israel. 6. Mohammad Salameh and Nidal Ayyad are followers of Shaikh Omar Abderrahman. 7. Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad and Shaikh Omar Abderrahman are "Islamic Fundamentalists". The connotation given is that they are terrorists; it is a subliminal suggestion to equate terrorism and "Islamic fundamentalism". 8. Israelis have been planning to bomb World Trade Center for over two years and accuse Muslim Arabs of committing the crime (see "EARLY WARNING" in TIME, March 22, 1993, page 19). ISRAELI MOTIVATION: 1. Israel is suffering bad public relations all over the world since the exile of 415 Palestinian scholars, professors, doctors and Muslim leaders from their ancestral homeland. 2. For twenty-five years Israelis, Zionists and their sympathizers have been trying to make the term "Islamic fundamentalism" an ugly, unpopular term implying terrorism, cruelty, backwardness, religious fervor and anti-modernism without ever defining the term. 3. If Israel cannot find any basis to establish its propaganda slogans against her perceived enemies it implants evidence and creates grounds for publicity; read BY WAY OF DECEPTION by Victor Ostrovsky, a former Israeli. 4. Israelis believe that "the end justifies the means", therefore, loss of life or property, lies, deceit and cheating to achieve Israeli goals are valid and honorable means; those Israelis who achieve goals by any means are honored. 5. Israelis are already linking the World Trade Center blast to HAMAS in Israeli occupied lands in search of justification of the exile of 415 Muslim scholars, leaders, professors and doctors from their ancestral homeland. QUESTIONS WHICH REMAIN UNANSWERED: 1. Where is Josie Hadas, the Israeli employer of Mohammad Salameh? 2. What was the nature of the cargo which Mohammad Salameh was hired by Israeli agent Josie Hadas to move? 3. Why have the police and the media not explicitly reported that bomb related wiring, instruction sheets and traces of explosives were found in the apartment of Israeli agent Josie Hadas and not in the apartment of Mohammad Salameh? 4. Why did Mohammad Salameh go to the police station twice to make a report of the theft of the van, if he was a terrorist? 5. Why did Mohammad Salameh go to the Ryder van rental agency twice to collect a paltry $400.00, if he was a terrorist? Why did he rent the van in his own name, if the implied use was bombing? Why not steal a van? 6. Why did Mohammad Salameh not run away or try to hide if he was a terrorist? 7. Is there any record or history of crime, terrorism or abnormal behavior of Mohammad Salameh since his arrival in the U.S.? Why have the police not made his records available to the public? 8. Did Mohammad Salameh have any links to any of the "terrorist" organizations before his arrival in the U.S.? 9. Why is Mohammad Salameh's link to a given mosque so important whereas other criminals, such as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Oliver North, Mike Milken and other famous convicted criminals were never linked to their religious affiliation or the church they attended. 10. What are the explanations and responses of the accused, Mohammad Salameh and Nidal Ayyad, regarding respective allegations? 11. What is the motive of the accused, Mohammad Salameh and Nidal Ayyad for committing such a heinous crime of bombing the World Trade Center? However, the motives of Isreal for committing the crime are clear. CAUTION: 1. There will be one or more attempts by MOSSAD to kill Salameh and Ayyad and make it look like a suicide or an accident because their trial will link Israel with the blast at the World Trade Center in New York. 2. There will be attempts by the FBI under the pressure of the New York police to hush up the whole incident and leave a case which remains unresolved. 3. This may become one of those incidents engineered by MOSSAD where Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims were accused, but became unresolved cases because all the proof pointed towards MOSSAD, such as the TWA accident over Lockerbie, bombings in Paris, Munich, Berlin, Rome, Cairo, and some of the Beirut bombings, etc. . COURSE OF ACTION FOR MUSLIMS: 1. American Zionist, pro-Israel, anti-Islam, anti-Arab media will do everything possible to give cover to Israel and protect its interests so that Israel continues to collect political, military and financial support of Americans at the cost of their own interests. Muslims must demand answers of questions given above. 2. Muslims, Arabs, Arab Americans and their friends should collect information about Israel, Israeli anti-American activities (there are many), American financial, military and technological aid to Israel, Israeli atrocities, military rule in the occupied lands, discrimination of non-Jewish citizens of Israel, lack of democracy in Israel, Israeli socialist system and its failures, discrimination among Jewish citizens; categorize and divide the information in several flyers and distribute them by the millions to the American public. We have to go directly to the public because the media will not help us in the dissemination of this information. 3. We have to pressure the media into publishing information, to bring recognized Muslim leaders on talk shows and documentaries and try to use the media as much as possible. Bring sympathetic Americans, black and white to be our spokespersons. 4. Do not go to sleep. Make copies of this paper and distribute it to the people, Americans, Muslims, Arabs, non-Muslims and the media. Muslims must ask questions and demand equal time with the media. 5. Demand details from the police and the FBI. Ask questions and do not let the FBI and the New York police rest. 6. Organize delegations of local Muslim leadership, obtain appointments with editorial staff of newspapers, heads of news departments of radio and TV stations, talk show hosts and producers and producers of documentaries. Make sure that you are armed with solid information to back up your claims and be bold. 7. Muslims must develop local, regional and national telephone networks and fax networks for mobilization of the Muslim population overnight. Anyone interested in developing a network should contact III&E, P.O. Box 41129, Chicago, Illinois, 60641-0129, or call (773) 777-7443 or fax (773) 777-7199.
NS

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
Arsalan
09/17/01 at 12:23:09
[slm] ??? Saleema, that post is talking about the old World Trade Center bombing that occurred years ago.  Not the current crash.  What relevance does all that rhetoric have to the present situation?? Sorry.  I'm a bit confused!

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
Saleema
09/17/01 at 14:00:14
[slm] The issue has been revived. So they are tring to help our sheikh--that's the relevance. [wlm]

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
jannah
09/17/01 at 15:32:52
wlm, they're trying to help your sheikh?? who is they and who's ur sheikh?

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
se7en
09/17/01 at 23:32:07
Email I received recently. ----------- This is an interesting article, a friend of sent me this and i thought i would just share it. makes you wonder.... Combined comments of a colleague (professor at Univ. Hamburg), a news correspondent for a major US media outlet, and another colleague. All names withheld. --- First set of comments In earlier acts of terrorism, Bin Laden has clung to historical dates. Recalling that the bombings of the African embassies happened on the anniversary of US troops entering Saudi territory. So far, the only anniversary that comes to mind for September 11 is the start of the British mandate of Palestine (1922) but nothing more important or more recent dealing with US/Arab relations. This is curious. Secondly, the meticulous planning, and avoiding of any leakage about the attacks stands in stark contrast to the evidence provided by the FBI, namely: The information that two passengers took flight lessons at Huffman Aviation is simply uninformative. Learning on a Cessna and then flying a Boeing 767 is like learning to ride a bike and then drive a truck. It is of no use to bring an Arabic flight manual, let alone a video tape in a hired car to the airport and leave it there. It is implausible that someone who considers himself in jihad "drinks vodka for three hours". Given the complete lack of leakage, it is puzzling that the terrorists discuss their plans in public the evening before. Most astonishing of all is that two terrorists considering themselves in jihad independently "forget" a Qur'an (one in Boston, one in a bar in Florida). The quality of the FBI evidence leaves only two conclusions: it was either collected rather hastily to demonstrate successful investigations. Or evidence was created by the terrorists. In the latter case, this is a group with an apparent interest to generate Arabic culprits. --- Second set of comments Am I clear on this? The night before the attack, after years of planning and meticulous attention to maintaining their cover, the terrorists went to a strip club and had lap-dances, got into a loud argument after racking up a large tab for alcoholic beverages, openly announced their intentions of causing bloodshed in the US the following day, and then left a Koran there too? Leaving that aside, I presume these people were smart enough to know of the consequences of their acts. Their intention wasn't simply to blow up the WTC. This was intended to force the US's hand in the Mideast, or at least provide a public justification for it. So far, the plan seems to be progressing according to script, but I am reminded of the famous Mongol tactic of tempting a numerically superior enemy to break ranks and move away from secure positions, leading them right into a quagmire for an ambush. --- Third set of comments It is curious that the suspects in the Florida bar reportedly drank vodka and rum. Now for people in the Middle East, especially non-habitual drinkers, whisky is the alcohol that first comes to mind. It is synonymous with drinking. Rum is virtually unknown. If these suspects were simply putting their deep religious faith aside momentarily and having a "farewell-to-life" fling (complete with lap dancing in a strip bar), I would expect them to drink whisky. What is more bizarre, they take a Qur'an to a strip-cum-alcohol bar, even though a Qur'an should not be taken to an unclean place or be handled by unclean hands (including drunken hands). And then they leave it there, presumably for the enlightenment and Godly guidance of the strip bar staff. Something does not add up. It suggests at least that there are forces at work here besides, or other than, Islamist fanaticism. "Bin Laden did it" is just too facile an explanation. ---- Something interesting I heard quoted from a European diplomat the other day: "If Osama bin Laden didn't exist, the United States would have to create him."

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
amatullah
09/18/01 at 04:55:38
Bismillah and salam, > >NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK > > >Stern-Intel (Canada). A US military intelligence source revealed details of >an internal intelligence memo that points to the Israeli Mossad >intelligence service having links to the World Trade Center and Pentagon >attacks. The intelligence source, who requested his name be withheld, >confirmed the internal US intelligence memo circulated four weeks ago >described information that pointed to the threat of a covert Israeli >operation on US soil to turn mass public opinion against Palestinian Arabs >via an apparent terrorist attack on US interests that would give Israel the >green light to implement a large scale military onslaught against the >Palestinian Arab population. > >The 11 September attack has been described by experts as being too >sophisticated for a lone terrorist group to execute. "This attack required >a high level of military precision and the resources of an advanced >intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be >extremely familiar with both air force one flight operations, civil airline >flight paths and aerial assault tactics on sensitive US cities like >Washington, Stated David Stern an expert on Israeli intelligence >operations. > >The attacks targeted the Pentagon, World Trade Center towers, with the >white house and air force also being targets according to the FBI. > >"The attacks have certainly turned US public opinion firmly back in >Israel's favor after 11 months of Palestinian uprising, heavy criticism of >Israel over war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in Durban. >The attacks serve no Arab group or nation's interests but their timing came >in the midst of international condemnation of Israel for its policy of >death squad assassination of Palestinian political and police figures", >added Stern. > >If verified, the news of Israel's involvement in the US attack will come as >no surprise to intelligence experts. The state of Israel has a long history >of covert operations against Western targets with attacks on the King David >Hotel, USS Liberty, murder of a Scandinavian UN envoy as well as espionage >against the US during the Jonathan Pollard case. > >On Wednesday the US defense department issued a warning to its officials to >halt the leak of information on the investigation which it says is >happening on a daily basis since the attacks occurred. >

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
Arsalan
09/18/01 at 12:17:28
where was this article published amatullah?

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
Saleema
09/18/01 at 13:16:09
[slm] He ain't *my* sheikh. :) He's our sheikh. meaning ppl's sheikh. those that know him anyway. from egypt. blind. "they" are political activists who are trying to set up a network in the US. [wlm]

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
amatullah
09/18/01 at 17:12:00
bismillah and salam, I don't really have a source. It was in email before it said: "Here is a most interesting article about a possible Mossad connection to the recent attacks in the U.S. Strange things happen and clearly the Palestinians have lost a great deal in the attacks.  However the source and the angle is not conformed. If any one has any more information on this scenario please let me know. Also information on the source for this article would be appreciated."

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
Sara
09/18/01 at 17:31:42
Assalam, Me and my friends say -that israel and Bush and the american govt. are the ones who did this. Bush wants to be declared a "war hero" like his father. In our opinion,Bin Ladan has nothing to do with this. If he did it wouldn't he admit it like he has in his other crimes. I still say the arabs had nothing to do with this!!!!!! There is just too much stuff pointing towards the jews-"4000 jews didn't show up for work" I hope that article is accurate. This is like a flashback to 1991,during the Gulf War. Where Muslims were being harressed.

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
jannah
09/18/01 at 22:47:54
I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, and don't really know/believe there was one for the nyc bombings but this article is interesting because 40 years pass and we see something that NO ONE could ever have believed come to light... --------------------------------------------- New book on NSA sheds light on secrets U.S. terror plan called Cuba invasion pretext By Scott Shane and Tom Bowman Sun Staff Originally published April 24, 2001 http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-te.md.nsa24apr24.story WASHINGTON - U.S. military leaders proposed in 1962 a secret plan to commit terrorist acts against Americans and blame Cuba to create a pretext for invasion and the ouster of Communist leader Fidel Castro, according to a new book about the National Security Agency. "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," said one document reportedly prepared by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," the document says. "Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation." The plan is laid out in documents signed by the five Joint Chiefs but never carried out, according to writer James Bamford in "Body of Secrets." The new history of the Fort Meade-based eavesdropping agency is being released today by Doubleday. NSA regularly picks up the conversations of suspected terrorist financier Osama bin Laden, says Bamford, and has monitored Chinese and French companies trying to sell missiles to Iran. He provides new details about an Israeli attack on a Navy eavesdropping ship in 1967, suggesting that the sinking was deliberate. And he reveals the loss of an "entire warehouse" full of secret cryptographic gear to the North Vietnamese in 1975, at the end of the Vietnam War. Bamford, a former investigative reporter for ABC News who wrote "The Puzzle Palace" about the NSA in 1982, said his new book is based mostly on documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act or found in government archives. "NSA never handed me any documents," he said. "It was a question of digging." He said he was most surprised by the anti-Cuba terror plan, code-named Operation Northwoods. It "may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," he writes. The Northwoods plan also proposed that if the 1962 launch of John Glenn into orbit were to fail, resulting in the astronaut's death, the U.S. government would publicize fabricated evidence that Cuba had used electronic interference to sabotage the flight, the book says. A previously secret document obtained by Bamford offers further suggestions for mayhem to be blamed on Cuba. "We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). ... We could foster attempts on lives of Cubans in the United States, even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized," the document says. Another idea was to shoot down a CIA plane designed to replicate a passenger flight and announce that Cuban forces shot it down. Citing a White House document, Bamford writes that the idea of creating a pretext for the invasion of Cuba might have started with President Dwight D. Eisenhower in the last weeks of his administration, when the plan for an invasion by Cuban exiles trained in the United States was hatched. Carried out in April 1961, soon after Kennedy became president, the Bay of Pigs invasion proved a fiasco. Castro's forces quickly killed or rounded up the invaders. Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, presented the Operation Northwoods plan to Kennedy early in 1962, but the president rejected it that March because he wanted no overt U.S. military action against Cuba. Lemnitzer then sought unsuccessfully to destroy all evidence of the plan, according to Bamford. Lemnitzer and those who served with him in 1962 as chiefs of the nation's military branches are dead. But two former top Kennedy administration officials said yesterday that they were unaware of Operation Northwoods and questioned whether such a plan was ever drafted. "I've never heard of Operation Northwoods. Never heard of it and don't believe it," said Theodore Sorenson, Kennedy's White House special counsel. "Obviously, it would be totally illegal as well as totally unwise." Robert S. McNamara, Kennedy's defense secretary, said: "I never heard of it. I can't believe the chiefs were talking about or engaged in what I would call CIA-type operations." Bamford writes that besides the Joint Chiefs, then-Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul H. Nitze also favored "provoking a phony war with Cuba." Bamford says the reason for the strike was Israel's desperate effort to cover up its attacks on the Egyptian town of El Arish in the Sinai. The Liberty was sitting offshore and the Israelis feared that the ship would detect the operation, which included the shooting of prisoners. Yesterday, an NSA spokesperson questioned a point made in the book about the USS Liberty. "We do not comment on operational matters, alleged or otherwise; however, Mr. Bamford's claim that the NSA leadership was `virtually unanimous in their belief that the attack was deliberate' is simply not true," the spokesperson said. When he wrote "The Puzzle Palace" in 1982, Bamford was attacked by some NSA officials, who said his revelations gave the Soviet Union and other U.S. adversaries too much information on the secret agency. One former director referred to him as "an unconvicted felon." With the end of the Cold War, the agency has been less guarded. NSA's current director, Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael V. Hayden, has granted a number of interviews. Hayden "cracked the door open a tiny bit," said Bamford, partly to burnish NSA's public image and correct misconceptions. Sun staff writer Laura Sullivan contributed to this article.

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
jannah
09/20/01 at 23:47:04
This is from weird militia site.. but check this out... actual TRANSCRIPT from the day on CNN where they are trying to figure out why the wreckage is spread out so far: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/13/bn.01.html Questions that remain unanswered from the first World Trade Center Attack. 1. Who is Josie Hadas? 2. Where is Josie Hadas? 3. What was the cargo that Josie Hadas hired Mohammad Salameh to move? 4. Why have the police and the media not explicitly reported that bomb related wiring, instruction sheets and traces of explosives were found in the apartment of Josie Hadas and not in the apartment of Mohammad Salameh? 5. Why did Mohammad Salameh go to the police station twice to make a report of the theft of the van if he was a terrorist? 6. Why did Mohammad Salameh go to the Ryder van rental agency twice to collect a paltry $400.00 if he was a terrorist? Why did he rent the van in his own name if the use was to be a bombing? 7. Why did Mohammad Salameh not run away or try to hide if he was guilty? 8. Why was Mohammad Salameh's link to a given mosque so important while other criminals, such as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Oliver North, Mike Milken, and most others were never linked to their religious affiliation or the church they attended. 8. What was the real role of the FBI in the bombing? 9. What was the role of the CIA in the lives of those accused? Points to ponder about the second World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. 1. Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said, "There is such a taboo on suicide in Islam, it is completely prohibited in Islam, that we find it inconceivable that somebody would invoke the name of God and then commit some act that is totally opposed to the faith." 2. The video of Palistinians in the streets celebrating news of the attacks was made at around noon according to visible shadows. At the time the video was shot it had to have been near or after sunset in that part of the world. Therefore the video could not have been shot on the day or at the time claimed. 3. Devout Muslims who would be willing to sacrifice themselves for their cause do not frequent bars and do not ever drink alchoholic beverages. 4. A devout Muslim would not take a copy of his holy book the Quran to a bar and leave it behind when he left after spending an evening drinking, participating in lapdances, and bragging about pending bloodshed to take place the following day. Who is so stupid that they would believe this? 5. Men who have been so careful during 5 years of planning, training, and careful preparations that never allowed even one leak do not brag the night before their mission that they are going to cause violence and bloodshed the following day, using credit cards with their correct names, allowing drivers licenses with photos to be xeroxed, nor do they spread incriminating evidence around like popcorn. 6. A devout Muslim on the way to his death would not leave his holy Quran in a parked car. He would take it with him. 7. According to news accounts the perpetrators planned the attack as long ago as 5 years, trained to carry out the attack, pulled it off without a hitch, and no information regarding the attack was ever leaked to anyone. 8. Reference #7. Now someone wants us to believe that these were a bunch of drunken fools who shot pistols in their homes, braggarts, who spoke of impending violence and bloodshed to everyone they met and left incriminating evidence everywhere. We are supposed to believe that by some incredible miracle they escaped the notice of every law enforcement and intelligence agency in the entire world. Now read #7 again. 9. Why did the hi-jackers force passengers to call relatives? 10. They were able to hi-jack 4 large commercial jets full of passengers without any problem. 11. They were able to deviate from the flight plan and crash into their targets without any effort from law enforcement or the military to stop them. 12. The simultaneous hi-jackings of 4 large commercial jet aircraft did not alert anyone to the possibility of the impending attacks. 13. Despite the evidence of wreckage strewn over several miles in Pennsylvania and the testimony of eye witnesses the government still denies that Flt-93 was shot down by an F-16 fighter aircraft that was identified as having flown for many miles alongside and behind the hi-jacked plane. Reference the links to the CNN Transcript and the link F-16 Fighter below: 14. Within an hour of the attacks the FBI knew the names, addresses, flight schools they had attended, the aquaintences of the suspects, and had begun a nationwide roundup... yet they cannot find Chandra Levy nor can they say what happened to Jon Benet Ramsey. Pretty strange don't you think? So who benefits? The answer is obvious and very disturbing. Everyone in the oil business will benefit, especially the Bush family and their business partners. Everyone in the defense industrial complex will benefit. The United Nations will benefit. The State of Israel will benefit bigtime. Tyranny in the name of security will benefit and rule over the American People. And don?t be surprised if many Patriots and politically incorrect Americans begin to disappear overnight like the Jews and Gypsys in Nazi Germany.

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
jannah
09/21/01 at 23:18:47
more inconsistencies... what if turns out that all hijackers were using other people's identities.. who the heck were the hijackers then??? ------------ .... But the investigation into the terrorists is being hampered by questions of identity. It appears that five of the hijackers were using stolen identities. Many of them seem to have adopted the personas of real-life commercial and military pilots. In Saudi Arabia, five of the alleged hijackers have emerged, alive and astonished to see their names and photographs appearing on satellite television. Yesterday, the Londonbased Asharq al-Awsat newspaper said it had interviewed Mr Alomari in Riyadh, and that he had left the US in April 2000. It said the American-educated engineer had reported to police that his passport was stolen when his flat in Denver was burgled in 1995. Ahmed al-Shehri, a Saudi diplomat told another newspaper that details of another hijacker matched his son Waleed, who now lives in Morocco. The pilot with Saudi Arabian Airlines graduated four years ago from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Florida. Another Saudi pilot, Said Hussein al-Ghamdi, whose picture was released by the US authorities may in fact be living in Tunis and may have been falsely accused.

Re: list of "inconsistencies"
jannah
10/02/01 at 00:26:21
another piece of the puzzle: http://technews.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable?client.id=newsbytes&story.id=170583 Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack By Brian McWilliams, Newsbytes NEW YORK, NEW YORK, U.S.A., 27 Sep 2001, 11:48 AM CST Officials at instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks. Citing a pending investigation by law enforcement, the company declined to reveal the exact contents of the message or to identify the sender. But Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two hours prior to the first attack. Diamandis said the sender of the instant message was not personally known to the Odigo employees. Even though the company usually protects the privacy of users, the employees recorded the Internet protocol address of the message's sender to facilitate his or her identification. Soon after the terrorist attacks on New York, the Odigo employees notified their management, who contacted Israeli security services. In turn, the FBI was informed of the instant message warning. FBI officials were not immediately available for comment today. The Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. Diamandis said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message. In addition to operating its own messaging service network, Odigo has licensed its technology to over 100 service providers, portals, wireless carriers, and corporations, according to the company. Odigo is online at http://www.odigo.com . Reported by Newsbytes, http://www.newsbytes.com .
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