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If the FBI VISITS YOU (and don't think they won't) |
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jannah |
09/18/01 at 12:55:58 |
because they have been invading homes across the country!! Unbelievable.. the FBI has been questioning ordinary Muslims across the United States, people who have absolutely nothing to do with anything... Please read this NOW, don't think it can't happen to you because they are apparently questioning anyone who is Muslim/Muslim looking. IF YOU ARE VISITED BY THE FBI A brochure published by American Muslim Council (AMC) It is not unusual for federal agencies to conduct investigations into individuals and organizations that actively oppose United States policy in the Muslim World. The FBI is the primary agency responsible for political intelligence gathering of this kind. In the case of non-citizens, these investigations are routinely undertaken in cooperation with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). Those most likely to be visited by the FBI in the Muslim context are individuals believed to be close to foreign governments and political movements hostile to governments allied to the U.S. Persons who routinely visit embassies of foreign states that the U.S. considers unfriendly to its interest are likely to be contacted at some point by the FBI. Occasionally, the FBI will also seek out persons holding leadership positions in national organizations which oppose U.S. policy towards the region. These investigations are relatively infrequent and normally occur in the context of a major regional upheaval in which the U.S. has become directly involved, as in Iraq during 1990 and 1991. Standard FBI procedure is to send one or more agents on an unannounced visit to one's residence or place of business. Sometimes they will dispatch two of them to play "good cop-bad cop" roles, with one agent exhibiting a belligerent, harassing attitude while his colleague assumes a cordial, friendly demeanor. And often, those who refuse to talk to the FBI are subjected to repeated visits and telephone calls designed to intimidate. These tactics should be resisted. Instead, if this happens to you, contact your lawyer for advice. If you do not have a lawyer, notify our office and we will help you find one. You do not have talk to the FBI, even if you are not a citizen of the United States. Unless they have obtained a search or arrest warrant, you are under no obligation to permit them entry into your home or office. If they tell you they have a warrant, demand to see their identification and warrant before permitting access, in order to be certain they are who they claim to be. Even if they do have a valid warrant, you should under no circumstances answer any of their questions until your lawyer can be present. If you do not wish to talk to the FBI, it cannot be held against you. This is usually the wisest course of action. If you answer one question, other questions will follow, and it becomes progressively more difficult not to answer. Of course, it is a serious crime to lie or provide false information to the FBI agents. FBI agents are trained investigators. Do not think you can outsmart them in an attempt to discover their purpose and the nature of information they have already obtained about you. Do not worry about appearing impolite or uncooperative in declining to be questioned by the FBI. Talking freely and openly out of fear or in an effort to appear cordial is not the best way to behave in the presence of FBI agents. To the contrary, it only encourages them to delve even deeper into your personal affairs and political associations. Do not allow them to intimidate you into agreeing to be questioned on the spot. Your decision about whether or not to talk to them is one you should be able to make free of pressure, after you have thoroughly analyzed the situation in consultation with your lawyer. If you do not wish to talk to the FBI, simply tell them you have nothing to say to them, and send them on their way. If you are considering talking to the FBI, do not, under any circumstances, impulsively invite them inside your home or office to do so at that moment. Instead, ask them for identification and a business card, upon which you will find their name, agency, address, and telephone number. Tell the agent that your lawyer will contact the FBI office to schedule an appointment for you at which he or she can be present. If they ask for the name of your lawyer, simply tell them you do not wish to answer any questions at this time. After they leave, make a written record of the date and time of the visit, and of what was said. The interview should take place at the local FBI headquarters, not in your home, office, or a public place. Allowing the FBI in your home or office might provide them with insights you might not want to share with federal agents, by way of books or papers which might be on display. It may also invite criminal charges on small, widely practiced offenses, such as infringements of copyright laws, for instance, if you happened to have duplicated audiocassette tapes or similar items within sight. Lastly, if they were intending to investigate you further, it is probable they would take the opportunity to place a listening device somewhere in your home during their visit. Meeting in a public place is not advisable because it is impossible to know who might be listening in, and because the agent will not be able to tape- record your conversation. Instead, are not always accurate. Any interview with the FBI should be tape recorded for your protection, in case you are ever accused of providing false information to agents of the federal government. You might even want to bring your own tape recorder and record the conversation yourself. Do not, under any circumstances, attend an FBI interview without a lawyer present. Your lawyer is there to advise you and protect your rights. The very presence of a lawyer will moderate the behavior of the interviewers, who might otherwise violate your rights or try to intimidate you. They might, for example, ask you questions about your political or religious beliefs, which are clearly none of their business. Even if you have agreed to be interviewed, you are not required to answer every question. If you do not which to respond to a particular question, simply tell them that you have nothing to say on that subject. You might also want to ask your lawyer to write a letter to the FBI requesting, in advance, a written copy of the questions which are to be asked by the FBI interviewers. Do not answer any questions concerning the beliefs, activities, or personal lives of our political associates. To do so would be a violation of their privacy, trust, and shared principles, and it could also lead to an FBI decision to investigate them more thoroughly. It is also very likely that the FBI would pass along this type of information to foreign intelligence services that may wish to disrupt your political activities. If you are asked about the affairs of your associates, one of the most common types of questions, simply tell them that you have nothing to say on the subject of anyone other than yourself. If you are visited by FBI agents, report the contact to our office immediately so that we may document the visit and advise you further on how to proceed. |
Re: If the FBI VISITS YOU (and don't think they won't) |
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ahmer |
09/18/01 at 14:32:31 |
[slm] peace be onto everyone. Yesterday I was at the library reading some stuff after class, and i recieved a phone call from my sister. She was like, "Don't talk to anyone, stay safe and get back to home asap, be cautious, be patient!! " and she hung up the phone. I was like what??!!! and around 9:30 i drove back to home. I was pretty anxious as to what happenned Surprise Suprise!! A Muslim sister whose family has been in this country for the last 85 years was visited by FBI agents in 4 cars like a raid on culprits!! My sister had the alarm bells ringing all over. Not ok by her, but anyways the story goes as well. The sister whom i can't name lives here in New Jersey. Her grand grand family is of Jordanian descent some 100 years back. She has never been to Jordan and now she was raided yesterday by FBI agents in 4 cars. They said they got a lead from someone that her car number plate is different or fake!! Well it was not!! and the elder sister, mother of 4 children just yelled out at the agents. She said "You have made me a suspect in my own neighbourhood, my cousins are in the military and my family is as American as you are, and she asked them, What would happen if someone hit you while you are walking alone , The officer replied that he would call 911, and the sister told her that from now on i won't trust you anymore cuz of ur act.!! The usual apologies came!! Sister you are right..!! Don't think they cant come to you or anyone. My bro told me that they rounded up two indian muslims from TX for questioning.!! So be alert and make dua. This is a test and dont react May Allah protect you, me and everyone !! [wlm] ahmer |
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bhaloo |
09/18/01 at 18:54:18 |
slm Besides CAIR what are some other organizations (non-Muslim ones as well) that one can call if they feel they have been the victim of discrimination? ??? |
Re: If the FBI VISITS YOU (and don't think they won't) |
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ahmer |
09/18/01 at 19:24:53 |
The United States Commission on Civil Rights National Complaint Line 1-800-552-6843 Islamic Circle of North America - NJ Chapter handling calls from all over the country 1-877-363-ICNA |
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jannah |
09/19/01 at 18:13:31 |
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! What rights do I have? The Right to Advocate for Change. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects the rights of groups and individuals who advocate changes in laws, government practices, and even the form of government. The Right to Remain Silent. The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution provides that every person has the right to remain silent in the face of questions posed by any police officer or government agent. The Right to be Free from "Unreasonable Searches and Seizures." The Fourth Amendment is supposed to protect your privacy. Without a warrant, no government agent is allowed to search your home or office and you can refuse to let them in. Know, however, that it is easy for the government to monitor your telephone calls, conversations in your office, home, car, or meeting place, as well as mail. E-mail is particularly insecure. The government has already begun stepping up its monitoring of e-mails. Use of an encryption program such as PGP offers relatively secure protection for e-mail communication. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS CANNOT BE SUSPENDED â€" EVEN DURING A STATE OF EMERGENCY OR WARTIME. What should I do if agents come to question me? 1. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TALK TO THE POLICE, FBI, INS, OR ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT OR INVESTIGATOR. You do not have to talk to anyone: on the street, at your home or office, if you've been arrested, or even if you're in jail. Only a judge has the legal authority to order you to answer questions. 2. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LET POLICE OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS INTO YOUR HOME OR OFFICE UNLESS THEY HAVE A SEARCH WARRANT OR ARREST WARRANT. Demand to see the warrant. The warrant must specifically describe the place to be searched and the things to be seized. If they have a warrant, you cannot stop them from entering and searching, but you should still tell them that you do not consent to a search. This will limit them to the scope of the search authorized by the warrant. 3. IF THEY DO PRESENT A WARRANT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MONITOR THEIR SEARCH AND ACTIVITIES. You have the right to observe what they do. You have the right to ask them for their names and titles. Take written notes including their names, badge numbers, and what agency they are from. Have your friends who are present act as witnesses. Give this information to your lawyer. A warrant does not give the government the right to question, nor does it obligate you to answer questions. 4. IF THE POLICE OR FBI OR INS OR ANYONE ELSE TRIES TO QUESTION YOU OR TRIES TO ENTER YOUR HOME WITHOUT A WARRANT, JUST SAY NO! Police and other law enforcement agents are very skilled at getting information from people. Many people are afraid that if they refuse to cooperate, it will appear as if they have something to hide. Don't be fooled. The police are allowed to (and do) lie to you. Although agents may seem nice and pretend to be on your side, they are likely to be intent on learning about the habits, opinions, and affiliations of people not suspected of wrongdoing, with the end goal of stopping political activity with which the government disagrees. Trying to answer agents' questions, or trying to "educate them" about your cause can be very dangerous. You can never tell how a seemingly harmless bit of information that you give them might be used and misconstrued to hurt you or someone else. 5. IF YOU ARE STOPPED ON THE STREET, ASK IF YOU ARE FREE TO GO. If you are stopped by the police, ask them why. If they do not have a good reason for stopping you, or if you find yourself chatting for more than about a minute, ask “Am I under arrest, or am I free to go.â€? If they do not state that you are under arrest, tell them that you do not wish to continue speaking with them and that you are going to go about your business. Then do so. 6. ANYTHING YOU SAY TO THE POLICE, FBI, INS ETC. WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU AND OTHERS. Once you've been arrested, you cannot talk your way out of it! Don't try to engage the cops in dialogue or respond to their accusations. 7. THE FBI MAY THREATEN YOU WITH A GRAND JURY SUBPOENA IF YOU DON'T TALK TO THEM. They may give you a subpoena anyway, so anything you tell them may permit them to ask you more detailed questions later. You may also have legal grounds to refuse to answer questions before a grand jury. If you are given a grand jury subpoena, you should call a lawyer immediately (see contact information at the end). Tell your friends and movement groups about the subpoena and discuss how to respond. Do not try to deal with this alone. 8. IF YOU ARE NERVOUS ABOUT SIMPLY REFUSING TO TALK, TELL THEM TO CONTACT YOUR LAWYER. They should stop trying to question you once you announce your desire to consult a lawyer. You do not have to already have one. Remember to get the name, agency, and telephone number of any investigator who visits you. How should I respond to threatening letters or calls? If your home or office is broken into, or threats have been made against you, your organization, or someone you work with, share this information with everyone affected. Take immediate steps to increase personal and office security. You should discuss with your organization and with a lawyer whether and how to report such incidents to the police and the advisability of taking other legal action. If you decide to make a report, do not do so without a lawyer present. What if I suspect surveillance? Prudence is the best course, no matter who you suspect, or what the basis of your suspicion. Do not hesitate to confront suspected agents politely, in public, with at least one other person present, and inquire about their business. If the suspect declines to answer, he or she at least now knows that you are aware of the surveillance. If you suspect government agents are monitoring you, or are harassing you, report this as described at the end of this packet. What if I am not a citizen? 1. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REVEAL YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS. 2. DO NOT TALK TO THE INS, EVEN ON THE PHONE, before talking to an immigration lawyer. Many INS officers view “enforcement,â€? meaning deporting people, as their primary job. They do not believe that explaining immigration options is part of their job, and most will readily admit this. (Noncitizens who are victims of domestic abuse should speak with an expert in both immigration law and domestic violence.) A noncitizen should always speak with an immigration law expert before speaking to the INS either in person or by telephone. 3. KNOW AND ASSERT YOUR RIGHTS! All noncitizens have the following rights, regardless of your immigration status: 1. The right to speak to an attorney before answering any questions or signing any documents; 2. The right to a hearing with an Immigration Judge; 3. The right to have an attorney at that hearing and in any interview with INS (however you do not have the right to a free, government-paid lawyer); and 4. The right to request release from detention, by paying a bond if necessary. Noncitizens must assert these rights. If you do not demand these rights, you can be deported without seeing either an attorney or a judge. Leaving the U.S. in this way may have serious consequences for your ability to later enter or to gain legal immigration status in the U.S. 4. TALK TO AN IMMIGRATION LAWYER BEFORE LEAVING THE U.S. Anyone not a U.S. citizen may be barred from coming back to the U.S. if they fall into certain categories of people barred from entering. This includes some lawful permanent residents and applicants for green cards. Some noncitizens that have been in the U.S. without INS permission may be permanently barred from re-entering. In addition, some noncitizens that leave the US and return with INS permission may be swiftly removed from the U.S. if they end up in immigration proceedings. CONTACT INFORMATION Partnership for Civil Justice In Washington, DC, request assistance or report incidents of harassment to (202) 530-5630, or legal@JusticeOnline.org National Lawyers Guild National office: (212) 627-2656, www.nlg.org National Immigration Project: (617) 227-9727 First Amendment Foundation A resource on civil liberties and the right of political dissent. (202) 529-4225. National Immigration Law Center Information law information is available on American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Report hate crimes and harassment against Arab Americans and Muslims to (202) 244-2990. Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Advocating for American-Muslim rights and against acts of discrimination. (202) 488-8787 |
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jannah |
09/21/01 at 15:50:14 |
Groups Say FBI Harassing Muslims in Attack Probe By Jim Loney WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Leaders of several U.S.-based Muslim groups said on Thursday that FBI (news - web sites) agents investigating the World Trade Center and Pentagon (news - web sites) attacks were harassing and intimidating Arabs and Muslims and advised followers not to talk to agents without legal counsel. The groups said the FBI had made unsubstantiated public allegations against Muslim leaders and bullied Arabs and Muslims by barging into workplaces and pulling students from classes at colleges and universities. Some Muslims and Arabs in the United States say they have come under siege in the nine days since hijacked jets plowed into New York's twin towers, the Pentagon near Washington, D.C., and the Pennsylvania countryside, leaving more than 6,000 people dead or missing. The U.S. Justice Department (news - web sites) said 55 investigations into hate-crime allegations had been opened since the attacks, including the murder of an Indian-born Sikh at his Arizona gas station on Saturday. Sikhism, a monotheistic religion founded about 500 years ago, is unrelated to Islam. Solidarity US, formed to protect the civil rights of Muslims, said people with information on the assaults had a moral obligation to come forward. But Yaser Bushnaq, president of Solidarity US, said the FBI's ``intrusive tactics'' had prompted the group to advise Muslims and Arabs not to talk to agents without legal counsel or to invoke constitutional rights to refuse altogether. ``We advise them not to talk and to speak to the FBI except with the presence of a legal counsel and also to remind them that they have the full right not to speak to the FBI if they elect to do so,'' said Bushnaq at a news conference at the National Press Club. He was joined by leaders of the American Muslim Council, which claims 5,000 members, and the Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations, an umbrella organization of 38 Muslim groups. Both are based in Washington, D.C. The FBI said it would not address the allegations. ``We're not commenting on things like that,'' said an FBI spokeswoman in Washington. Leaders of the groups said supporters had reported numerous cases of harassment by FBI agents, including one at a mosque in Silver Spring, Maryland, last week in which FBI agents wanted to interrupt worship to show photographs to participants. When refused access, the agents sat outside and jotted down the license plate numbers of participants, the groups said. 'WE EXPECT BETTER' ``That's intimidation and it's not fair. We expect better of our law enforcement,'' said Stanley Cohen, a lawyer for Imam Motaz Al-Hallak, a Muslim cleric who testified before a grand jury investigating Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Al-Hallak said he had refused to talk to the FBI in recent days because its agents had not treated him fairly in the past but had met with a federal prosecutor on Wednesday. He denied any involvement with bin Laden. In another case cited by the Muslim groups, agents took documents from the living room of a man who had allowed them into his house and agreed to speak with them. ``He thought that was legal. He didn't know his rights,'' Bushnaq said. The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, based in Washington, D.C., also said it was concerned about allegations that ``overzealous'' FBI agents had harassed Arab-Americans and refused to allow them access to lawyers. ``It is abusive and should stop,'' said ADC vice president Khalil Jahshan. The group advised members to cooperate with the FBI whenever possible but reminded them of their right to refuse to speak and to seek legal counsel. |
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amatullah |
09/27/01 at 22:14:30 |
Bismillah and salam, a disturbing article from the washigton post. Justice uses arrest powers fully Scope of jailings stirs questions on detainees’ rights By Peter Slevin and Mary Beth Sheridan THE WASHINGTON POST Sept. 26 — In its vast investigation of the terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and New York, the Justice Department is making extraordinary use of its power to arrest and detain individuals, taking the unusual step of jailing hundreds of people on minor traffic and immigration violations and arresting more than a dozen “material witnesses” not charged with any crime. ‘It’s how we treat people in difficult times like these that is the true test of the democracy and civil liberties that we brag so much about throughout the world.’ — GERALD H. GOLDSTEIN Lawyer for one material witness LAW ENFORCEMENT officials have exercised such authority before, but never on such a broad scale, according to former prosecutors, immigration lawyers and legal scholars. While some said the scope of the activity is not surprising in light of the enormity of the crime being investigated, others questioned whether those detained have had adequate access to lawyers or been unfairly denied bail. Information about the detentions is difficult to obtain because the proceedings have been held in secret or with no public notice from authorities. “It’s really just a question of degree. You’re talking about the largest criminal investigation in the history of the United States,” said former deputy attorney general Eric H. Holder Jr. “They’re using tactics that have been used in other cases, but on a much smaller scale.” As the FBI announced its search for another 400 people for questioning, leaders of the American Civil Liberties Union met yesterday with FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to express concerns about possible governmental overreaching. ACLU spokesman Phil Gutis said the group wanted to air “our concerns that the ongoing investigation into the terrorist attacks is being conducted with full due process and consistent with the . . . Constitution.” The FBI yesterday released one of those detained as a material witness, San Antonio radiologist Albader Al-Hazmi. His lawyer, Gerald H. Goldstein, said his client was held incommunicado after his arrest as a material witness shortly after the terrorist assault. At one point it took six days for lawyers to win access to him, Goldstein said. “This is a good lesson about how frail our processes are,” Goldstein said. “It’s how we treat people in difficult times like these that is the true test of the democracy and civil liberties that we brag so much about throughout the world.” LEGAL REPRESENTATION After consulting a number of colleagues yesterday, Jeanne Butterfield, director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, expressed concern that attorneys and legal aid organizations have not heard of many people seeking counsel. “That leads me to believe they have not been allowed to contact lawyers, or they don’t know what lawyer to contact,” she said. Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden said yesterday that everyone arrested on a criminal charge or as a material witness is told of their right to a lawyer and to appointed counsel if they are indigent. Immigration and Naturalization Service spokesman Russ Bergeron said every detainee is given a list of attorneys and support organizations. He noted that people held for administrative violations are not entitled to free counsel. Attorney General John D. Ashcroft reported Monday that 352 people were being held as part of the investigation. Of that number, 98 were being detained on suspicion of violating immigration laws, while 254 were held on other charges, including traffic offenses, misdemeanors and identification fraud. Lawyers and legal scholars contacted yesterday said they could not recall a time when so many people had been arrested and held without bond on charges — particularly minor charges — unrelated to the case at hand. They noted that the Supreme Court permits such detentions when authorities believe an individual has information important to another case. “It is not inappropriate to detain people for legitimate violations,” said Beth Wilkinson, who prosecuted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. “The Supreme Court in prior cases has allowed law enforcement to arrest people for relatively minor violations when they were investigating larger crimes.” The Justice Department is using a separate section of the criminal code to arrest material witnesses — individuals who may have significant information about the attack. Even if not a suspect in a crime, the person may be held without bond if a court rules that nothing else will guarantee that the witness will be available to supply essential testimony. The detention of material witnesses was considered startling in 1995, when prosecutors in the Oklahoma City case used the tactic. It has been used since, lawyers say, but until now typically involved the arrest of very small numbers of people. Attorneys for people detained in the sweeps report that investigators and courts have been strict when asked for relief. Hani Khoury, an immigration attorney in Hackensack, N.J., represents two neighbors of men detained in the case. Both were detained without bond because they overstayed their visas. “In the nine years I’ve been practicing, I’ve never seen them hold a non-criminal overstay for 10 days,” Khoury said. “You know, they generally just hold them, if they hold them, a day, two at most.” EXPIRED VISA In Jersey City, Sousan Achou’s husband, Abdoul Salam Achou, was detained after authorities raided the apartment next door. She said her spouse, whose visa expired Sept. 1, was being held at the local jail. Since the raid on Sept. 15, Sousan Achou said, she has been able to visit with her husband once, but she has no idea when or if he will be released. She said it took more than a week for her to find out where he was being held. In Oklahoma City, immigration lawyer Mitchell Gray had difficulty meeting with Hussein al-Attas, a 23-year-old Saudi detained for alleged visa problems. Al-Attas, a student at the University of Oklahoma until May, reportedly is a former roommate of Zacarias Moussaoui, a suspected terrorist. Gray was asked to represent al-Attas by a friend, but he said the INS barred him from contact because he could not produce a form signed by al-Attas to authorize the representation. The problem, said Gray, was that the INS refused to let him see al-Attas in order to show him the form. “I talked to the INS several times, and nobody would tell me where he was,” said Gray. “They said, ‘Do you have a G-28 signed by this man? We can’t let you see him with without a G-28.’ Well, how can I get a G-28 signed unless I see him?” In Orlando, a man who runs companies that cash checks and arrange international money transfers was arrested on a material witness warrant. Asserting a need for secrecy, authorities did not confirm the man’s identity and his name was was removed from county jail records. Following a brief closed hearing before a federal magistrate, the man was held for three days in the Seminole County Jail. Then, amid extraordinary security — including a 4 a.m. ride from the jail to the federal courthouse in Orlando — he attended another closed hearing. The man was later flown to New York, where he reportedly testified before the grand jury, and was then released. “We have every reason to believe he is not guilty of a crime,” said Joe Palmer, chief investigator for the Federal Public Defender’s Office, which represented the Orlando man. “This is an innocent citizen the government believes has some information critical to the investigation.” Staff writers Michael A. Fletcher, Serge F. Kovaleski, Bill Miller and Lois Romano contributed to this report. © 2001 The Washington Post Company |
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