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| Any thoughts on what will happen in Pakistan? |
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| bhaloo |
| 10/02/01 at 15:42:38 |
| slm What do you guys think will happen in Pakistan? Do you think the current goverment will be replaced? What's the feeling there of the people? |
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| hazratsheikh |
| 10/02/01 at 17:13:02 |
[wlm] I will try to answer the second question first. "What's the feeling there of the people"? My personal feeling is that the public opinion is equally divided unlike what the Government run media claim or what Pervaiz Musharraf claimed. Definitely it's not just 15%. That is why the Government is so scared of the reaction. In karachi the Rangers (para military) are in full force with life bullets patrolling the city specially near the mosques. And in Jummah Khutbat the Ulema are saying what they feel against the Government for siding with the U.S. The Government won the support of ex military servicemen and civil bureaucrats. As far as the latters are concerned the majority of them are secular minded witht just the lip service for Islam during their whole career with ofcourse exceptions but these are very few. Unfortunately I have to say with regret that my own niece's son who is a Commercial officer in the Pak Embassy in one of the Western Capital happily boasted that the days of Mullahs are numbered. He is one of those type of Government officers. It is well known that Pervaiz Musharraf himself said that he adore Attarturk. Some people say that the time of Islamic revolution is at hand. I do not think so as there seem to be no center figure at whom the religious parties can rally like the one which happen in 1974 at the time of Qadiani issue. At that time it was late Maulana Yusuf Binnori around whom the country rallied. There is no such figure unless Allah will otherwise. As to what will happen in Pakistan? 1.I think it will depend on the length and duration of the expected attack by the American and its allies. If the war is ended quickly, nothing will happen to Pervaiz Musharraf. Rather he would become a hero as being far sighted and man of wisdom. 2.But if the war drags on with heavy casualties and human sufferings of the Afghanis brethren the public opinion could change. In both the scenario the agitation will be led by the religious parties. It depends on how much support they can gather. It is highly likely that it will gain momentum once the war prolongs. 3.If the agitation gets momentum the Government will try to control and finally crush it with force. In that case there will be casualties. Again it will depend on how many people get killed. 4.If the agitation become uncontrollable then there is every likelihood of Pervaiz Musharraf being replaced by another General. 5. The flashing point could be in the frontier province bordering Afghanistan. Their sympathy with Afghanistan is much deeper than Pakistanis in other part. The same is true of Baluchistan province. 5. It all depends on the big If's and But's. How the agitation takes the turn. The army cannot go on killing on its'own citizen with full force. 6. In that case the army might stage a coup and replaced the President with the second in line in army command. One of my close friend who is closely atatched with an exoarmy General said with heavy assertion that the No.2 and 3 in the army hierarchy are devoted and practising Islamist in toto. The American would not like this scenario. 7. Although it is said that Pakistan army is a well disciplined army, the chances of coup led by the junior ranks from Colonel cannot be ruled out though how remote and impossible it may seem. It is a fact which the Western World and their media as well know and said so that there are very high number of what they called "Islamist" in the army which was not the case some 20 years back. Yes it is true. Alhamdolillah. As to exactly what will happen to Pakistan and what will be it future only Allah knows.I would just like to mention the following Ayah: "Wamakaru- Wamakarallah-Wallah-O-Khairul-Ma'akaireen" |
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| Arsalan |
| 10/03/01 at 00:57:26 |
| [slm] Jazak Allahu Khairan br. hazratsheikh for that post. I was really interested in finding out the real reaction of the masses in Pakistan. Unfortunately, my relatives have not been very responsive to my queries in emails :-/ |
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| Abid |
| 10/08/01 at 02:48:59 |
| Assalam-o-alaikum I must say that Hazrat sheikh had a very good insight into the Pakistan affairs. Two of the top generals in Pakistan Army namely Lt. Gen. Muzaffar Utmani and Lt Gen. (formerly ISI chief) Mahmood AHmed have applied for retirement as two of their junior generals have been promoted and the seniors have been superceded. Is the government completely American (pro-western) now? Also dreadful is the news that Pakistan has allowed the US forces to use its own airspace and airports at Pasni, Gawadar to be used for the airstrikes. I really wonder what is the meaning of the slogan now " Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Ilaha Ill Allah" :( Wassalam |
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| Saleema |
| 10/08/01 at 03:39:30 |
| really wonder what is the meaning of the slogan now " Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Ilaha Ill Allah" :D When I was little, (living in Pakistan at that time), every August 14 I would go around shouting that! I would buy the Pakistani flag at the store which I was never allowed to hang up in my home. I would also buy *huge* posters of Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Ilama Iqbal and was never allowed to hang those up either. My family wasn't much into that kind of stuff. I don't know why I was? Perhaps because of the excitement on the streets... as a child, I wanted to be a warrior, a fighter... And when the Gulf War started, I was in Pakistan then too and would scream that slogan all the time in support of Iraq. ah... those days... didn't even know what/who/where Iraq was. hahaha... That winter it snowed, and the people in our town erected a huge figure of Saddam Hussein out of the snow to honor him. Now everyone hates him--strange how people's feelings change when circumstances change. Being a child is so much fun. You are oblivious of what is really happening in the world, everyone tries to protect you from bad things, from sad realities... [wlm] |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/08/01 at 03:34:10 |
Get rid of the good guys and put the bad and ugly in. ------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,565328,00.html Unrest in Pakistan over Afghanistan attacks Staff and agencies Monday October 8, 2001 Pakistan's military leader, General Pervez Musharraf, today attempted to bring calm to his country amid growing protests over last night's Allied attacks on Afghanistan. Gen Musharraf tried to reassure his country that the American and British military strikes on Afghanistan will be short and targeted, amid anti-American protesters across Pakistan which denounced the attacks and the government's support of them. In several major Pakistani cities, protesters gathered in the streets and shouted "Death to America" and "Bush is a terrorist." They held up placards supporting Osama bin Laden and declaring "Musharraf is a dog." Security has been tightened at airports, ports, railway stations, power stations and government offices, and riot police have taken to the streets to keep order. In the western city of Quetta, police battled thousands of pro-Taliban demonstrators who set a fire to a cinema, burnt tyres and hurled stones at security forces, witnesses said. Police also fired teargas to break up several protests in the north-western city of Peshawar, near the Afghan border. In Karachi, pro-Taliban protesters blocked streets leading to the main business centre and angry crowds burnt tyres and threw stones at passing vehicles. Armoured personnel carriers with mounted machine guns were parked opposite the US consulate in Karachi. Today Gen Musharraf told the nation: "I've got definite assurances that this operation will be short. It ought to be targeted and it should not have collateral damage." He added: "We were asked to provide intelligence cooperation, use of our airspace and logistical support, and having considered the request we promised to accept these requirements and that is what we are providing now." He said he had told the US president, George Bush, and the prime minister, Tony Blair, that Pakistan did not want to see the Taliban's most prominent opponents, the Northern Alliance, "draw mileage out of this action." "We tried to bring moderation into the Taliban government, we made all possible efforts to extradite Osama bin Laden, we made all possible efforts to free the eight foreigners being tried in Afghanistan. "All this was possible because of the diplomatic relations we had with Afghanistan and that we were maintaining with the Taliban," he said. He also said that the operation should not be perceived as a war against Afghanistan or the people of Afghanistan. "It's an action against terrorists, terrorism and their sanctuaries and their supporters," he told the country. Hours before the attacks, Gen Musharraf reshuffled two pro-Taliban generals out of positions of power, in an attempt to bolster support within his military. This weekend, he extended his own term as head of the army for an indefinite period. One of the more hardline Islamists within the military, Lieutenant General Mohammed Aziz Khan, was removed from the powerful position of corps commander and given the largely ceremonial job of chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Lt Gen Khan played a key role in the October 1999 military coup that ousted the elected government of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and installed Gen Musharraf as Pakistan's military ruler. Gen Musharraf also appointed Lt Gen Mohammed Yousuf as vice chief of staff of the army, passing over Lt Gen Muzaffar Usmani, the deputy chief of staff, who is considered an Islamic hardliner. With the appointment of Lt Gen Yousuf, his position now becomes redundant. Gen Musharraf said he had been contemplating the changes "for a number of months." "This is a normal military activity which has gone on," he said at a news conference today. "It has no relationship with events which are taking place, absolutely." |
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| gift |
| 10/08/01 at 04:17:01 |
| [slm] [quote]The Government won the support of ex military servicemen and civil bureaucrats. As far as the latters are concerned the majority of them are secular minded with just the lip service for Islam during their whole career with ofcourse exceptions but these are very few.[/quote] please brother be careful of what you say, much of my family is in the military yet they are some of the most practising and best muslims in our family. indeed my cousins (2 daughters of a major) were the first girls in our family to begin wearing the hijab! there are many many muslim families like mine within pakistan - it is not fair to tar them all with the same brush as the leading military figures. [wlm] |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/08/01 at 05:03:51 |
| U know my little brain was thinking yesterday and I thought of this If you were in the army or any service and although u disagreed with the army but were ready to carry out thier actions. Would u still get gunnah ? The reason for my question is that the Pharaoh's army when they went out to destroy Musa A.S some of them said they were only following orders, many of them as we know perished in the sea. what do you think ? Scary isn't it. |
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