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| jannah |
| 10/03/01 at 15:22:48 |
| salam, what do you guys think about a new rule about offensive posts? if on three seperate incidents, at least 3 people sincerely complain about being offended by comments that were posted by a user then that user should be made unable to post. i think it's only fair that in a public forum we respect each other. it's unfortunate we have to enforce such an 'adab' law.. but it's probably needed. |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/03/01 at 17:01:16 |
| Hmm, I don't know, I've always preferred a polite email message from the moderators. What if somebody uses up all three lives in one shot ? It might not be fair if s/he is a newbie, they might be new to the board and perhaps they are a little excited in posting ?. All the elders over here like yourself, Arslan and bhaloo probably wouldn't fall into that category, its only newbies I think who would reach the 'Game Over' stage. Maybe, you could have a temporay wrist slap, or s/he has a red cross against em in their profile but I think banning em is a bit toooo much. Anyway its your board and I guess you will be questioned about it first on the day of judgement. And then your sis Se7en. |
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| Arsalan |
| 10/03/01 at 17:11:50 |
| [slm] BroHanif, there are 9 lives, not 3. And you cannot lose them all in one shot. The idea is this: Suppose someone posts something very offensive on the board. If 3 people (or more) complain to the admin about it, the poster gets a *warning*. He remains on the board, and may continue to post. ’But he has been warned so that he is more careful in his posts. If he commits another error and, once again, 3 people (or more) complain to the admin, the poster gets a *final warning.* He is still not banned from posting. However, when this happens for a THIRD time, his username is deleted and IP address is banned. Actually, this concept has always been in the Constitution (see section 3), but I guess we're systemizing it more by adding "9 lives" to it. Of course, if only one or two people complain about a certain post/incident, it doesn't count. The poster receives no warning, and has lost 0 lives. His post may still be deleted though ... Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| dolunay |
| 10/03/01 at 17:21:48 |
| Salaam Alaikum [quote] Anyway its your board .[/quote] I agree.This is your board, you can made sort of rules what you want or ban. Actualy I dont understand exactly the problem...Nor is althinks is ok and this board helped me much...Is old board still exist with all articles? Wassalam. |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/03/01 at 17:26:59 |
| Jajkaallah Bro Arsalan for helping me count :). Now it seems a bit clearer ! Just as long as you guys dont gang up on me it seems fine. |
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| dolunay |
| 10/03/01 at 17:44:22 |
| Salaam Alaikum... [quote] IP address is banned. [/quote] Whats, when they have no fix IP adress? You will ban whole ip adresse of this Internet provider? I'm just curious about ip adress. I hope and insha_AllahurRahman no one has complaint about me...wassalam |
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| jannah |
| 10/03/01 at 18:35:26 |
| wlm, wow ppl getting real defensive there ;) the point is 'polite emails' are not working and we don't as admin/moderators feel like we can just delete someone even if we KNOW they have repeatedly been offensive and repeatedly broken the rules in the constitution. our opinion may be subjective. so this system is a way to give the 'power to the ppl' for protection for the entire community. there have been quite a few times that people have emailed me and said, i was extremely offended by this.. it isn't right ..it's against the constitution...i was so upset...etc and we have edited/removed the post and emailed the user but then they commit another offense despite the constitution and warning and continue to do it again maybe months later... this way when any of us posts something we have to think to ourself, wow will my post offend 3+ more users on this board (legitimate offense, not just i don't like that guy or his ideas), is my post against the constitution rules? now imagine that.. now we are watching what we write out of respect for the other sisters and brothers feelings on the board and following it's guidelines for the benefit of everyone. it has to be at least 3 people so it's an objectively offending incident. and it has to be at least 3 separate unrelated incidents to show that this user is not benefiting anyone on the board but in fact is doing the opposite. this way if this happens to a user who can they blame? one admin? the 9+ separate people who just "don't like him/her"? the entire board? no way if 3+ ppl in 3+ separate incidents complained and they violated the rules of the board then they have only themselves to blame eh and should start thinking really hard about what they were doing... now if ppl don't mind about users being repeatedly offensive to muslims and nonmuslims, making anti-islamic anti-dawah statements, breaking the rules of the board repeatedly, and it's all fine with them in the name of free speech, they came to the wrong board. we don't do free speech to the detriment of islam or muslims. this is why we're trying to figure out a way to make this work. btw your comment 'it's your board do whatever you want' that's not the way it works here. we could have one person's decisions and rules and opinions rule the board, but as a system it would never work. and what if that person leaves? this message board is a collective enterprise. if everyone follows the system and rules it should be self-sufficient and thrive. the rules are one's we built and agreed to TOGETHER. if you say this is *my* board subhanallah i may as well close it today. ps i don't know if we have to go so far as ip banning, i think making them not able to post is punishment enough eh :) |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/04/01 at 04:54:09 |
| [quote]btw your comment 'it's your board do whatever you want' [/quote] Apologies for offending you akhti, I didn't mean it like that, what I meant was due to the recent incidents its a time for being a bit careful. If something were to happen, may Allah forbid it would be you as the first point of call by any investigative department. I'm being serious here, I know one Islamic board where the servers were checked and the board brought down. This was due to some guys posting some very controversial stuff. I know its a community thing, people are good towards each other, but at some point somebody has full responsibility and I think Jannah thats you. People come from all over the world, read and learn, to have a laugh to cry and sob. But above all, it is your blood and sweat and of some others that has gone into producing something outstanding of a muslim virtual community, Allah knows your intention and he will reward you guys accordingly. I apologise again for saying ill words like that. Hanif |
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| Arsalan |
| 10/04/01 at 12:16:56 |
| [slm] People are responsible for what they say on this board. If I say something wrong, then it is *me* who is held responsible, not any of the admins, let alone Jannah. Sr. Huma created this web site for people to have an avenue where they could come together, get to know other Muslims, and talk about Islam. She started something good. Now it's upto the rest of us to maintain this place and be nice to each other and say the right things. If we don't do it, she is not responsible, we are. Whether it is in the eyes of some investigation department, or Allah (swt) on the day of judgment. |
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| dolunay |
| 10/04/01 at 15:17:27 |
| Salaam Alaikum... [quote] If we don't do it, she is not responsible, we are. .[/quote] Brother Arsalan, that means not she is totaly not responsible for everythink, that is why city constitution is here..Wassalam |
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| jannah |
| 10/04/01 at 17:17:51 |
| wlm, can i just say.. i disavow any responsibility for what individuals post on this board. ie read the disclaimer at the bottom....believe me if it were up to me i would delete and censor alot of stuff i don't agree with... but islam isn't about one person or their views.. it's very flexible within the limits. again this message board is still NOT islam because it's just a message board after all and we ALL are only doing our best to regulate everything according to some guidelines we have set up (ie with the constitution). what each person posts is their own responsibility, it's not my job or the moderators to reword what people write. what we do try to do is follow the constitution's guidelines and try to keep harm from a person's posts from spreading to others...basically our job is to help islam by protecting the general public from ignorance or stupidity while trying to preserve the beneficialness of the board for all... to make this clear, let's say for example user x gets on the board and says some really shady/insulting/stupid things about women which are not about islam but the person's opinions about things and as moderators we didn't catch it or it didn't break any of the rules or didn't push the issue or considered it an 'opinion' or thought it a joke and then let's say anonymous user y gets on the board and says aha! i knew those mozlims hated women forget this religion... who's to blame? the moderators did their job, they enforced the consititution but ultimately it is up to each person to watch what they say...because each person will be judged according to THEIR deeds... it's like the law enforcment of a place..when a crime occurs they try to take care of it so it doesn't happen again/spread..and they try to prevent crimes.. but are they responsible for people's misdeeds? |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/04/01 at 17:35:12 |
| It's Mr trouble again I bet Jannah you wanna ban me right now ! b4 I get IP banned I've got another question, what if, the whole community becomes slackers like we have or I have in the past. And what if instead of giving good dawah we give bad dawah. ? In some posts I've noticed that people are perhaps not sensitve to other peoples feelings and I'm not on about one person this is a small community thing. What if this community goes so far that the distinction is not made being good and bad. What then ? and this has happened recently. |
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| jannah |
| 10/04/01 at 17:59:13 |
| That's a good question. Right now I really want to close the board down to the public because of some of the posts. Maybe in the past people could get away with being insensitive, but not now, not when public opinion means the lives of millions of Muslims. I think as soon as ppl start to think the harm is outweighing any benefits of the board they should email the admins. If there is nothing to be done, then closing the board is an option we should really think about. |
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| eleanor |
| 10/06/01 at 04:43:42 |
| slm Well, I'd just like to say that closing the board would be the worst possible thing. I love this board. And having read the previous posts in this thread and in the other one about Jannah going away, I have to admit I feel so guilty. I'm going to make a renewed effort to think before I post, to only post when I have something helpful to say or to contribute and otherwise to stay out of discussions which don't concern me. I'm also going to stop making narky replies to posts which annoy or offend me. If I have a problem with a particular post I'll email admin. I think the 9 lives idea is good. It's fair and it's just. I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise for any offensive posts that I may have made in the past. And I ask Allah to guide us all to the correct way of expressing ourselves without being offensive or insulting to anyone. wasalaam eleanor. |
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| bhaloo |
| 10/06/01 at 09:53:51 |
| slm I always look forward to reading your posts Eleanor. There is a lot of beneficial advice you give and you ask some very important questions that I'm sure others have had as a concern. So don't cut back. :) |
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| Hania |
| 10/07/01 at 15:26:01 |
[quote]salam, what do you guys think about a new rule about offensive posts? if on three seperate incidents, at least 3 people sincerely complain about being offended by comments that were posted by a user then that user should be made unable to post. [/quote] Oh no I think I know who you have banned because I haven't seen any posts about boxing and kicking lately. :0 I think there are people who don't realise when they are offending other people and this board helps them to realise how they should control their behavior and act properly. In real life its hard to tell another muslim 'you are irratating and offensive', the screen and hidden identity, over comes the problem of a potential punch in the face :) I think banning should only be used in extreme extreme cases. Can't we have a 'public' punishment room. When someone has received complaints regarding their mis-behavior their name can appear in the punishment room (the name can only be set by administrators). Then members of the community write threads on how the 'criminal' member should change their behaviour to be less offensive. Hopefully the 'criminal' should be ashamed of his/her actions after facing public humiliation from other madina citizens and try and change. If they fail to change and further complaints about them continue we have a vote in the 'punishable' room. We give one week for the voting, and all madina citizans vote whether or not the 'criminal' madina memeber should be banished forever! - This punishemnt is more humiliating than public stoning!! Hania |
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| Haseeba |
| 10/07/01 at 17:37:50 |
[quote] Can't we have a 'public' punishment room. When someone has received complaints regarding their mis-behavior their name can appear in the punishment room (the name can only be set by administrators). Then members of the community write threads on how the 'criminal' member should change their behaviour to be less offensive. Hopefully the 'criminal' should be ashamed of his/her actions after facing public humiliation from other madina citizens and try and change. If they fail to change and further complaints about them continue we have a vote in the 'punishable' room. We give one week for the voting, and all madina citizans vote whether or not the 'criminal' madina memeber should be banished forever! - This punishemnt is more humiliating than public stoning!! Hania[/quote] wow thats harsh!! it may be extreme but it exemplifies the need to be more careful |
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| flyboy_nz |
| 10/07/01 at 18:42:45 |
| [quote]Can't we have a 'public' punishment room. When someone has received complaints regarding their mis-behavior their name can appear in the punishment room (the name can only be set by administrators). Then members of the community write threads on how the 'criminal' member should change their behaviour to be less offensive. [/quote] *LOL* I'm trying to imagine this and i picture one of those wooden racks where there are holes for the neck and hands and the criminal is locked in and the public throw tomatoes... i can also imagine their face :o Just remember these are our brothers and sisters we're dealing with here. We should work with *positive* rather than *negative* methods of correction...that way we are building people up to be better people rather than tearing them down. Perhaps polite e-mails to remind the offender of what he/she is doing wrong and if it is clear they are not going to change their ways then I agree with the three strikes system. wasalaam, Ahmed |
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| Hania |
| 10/08/01 at 02:40:28 |
| [quote] Just remember these are our brothers and sisters we're dealing with here. We should work with *positive* rather than *negative* methods of correction...that way we are building people up to be better people rather than tearing them down. Perhaps polite e-mails to remind the offender of what he/she is doing wrong and if it is clear they are not going to change their ways then I agree with the three strikes system. wasalaam, Ahmed[/quote] Actually this punishemnt is supposed to come AFTER the polite emails because I thought eternal banishement from the Madina was pretty extreme. Therefore the person in question would have 3 warnings from administators that they may enter the trial room if their misbehaviour continues(trial room sounds less harsh than punishemnt room so you can dismiss thoughts of rotten tomatoes being thrown at your head) Its NOT a room where people go and abate whoever they like. Its not Ricky Lake but more Judge Judy! People should not merely sound negative with the intention of bringing people down. It should be a space where people can tell the brother/sister what they have been doing wrong and what they can inshAllah do to change to become better. For instance if you were doing something wrong and ONE person politely told you 'please change', you may not be hit by this advice and thus not bother to chage. But if a GROUP of people told you the error of your ways then the effect of knowing that more than one person is not happy with you may prompt you to change. Wouldn't it be better that we try and help people change and become better people rather than throw them out of Madina without standing trial and without helping them to change? I think that sounds far more harsh :) Hania |
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| eleanor |
| 10/08/01 at 05:41:35 |
| slm Thanks Br.Arshad. About the trial room idea.... I don't know, I think I'd always feel sorry for the one on trial and stick up for them. I think I'd have to be part of the defense team! It's always posts that get your back up when you read them but a day or two later, you wonder why you were so hypersensitive at all.. That's the way it is with me, I lose my temper, batter off a narky reply and the next day I'm full of remorse and usually IM the battered one with an apology. Hmm, maybe I should get *tougher*. wasalaam eleanor |
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| Zara |
| 10/08/01 at 09:15:23 |
| slm woah i guess i don't surf the board heavily enough to have picked up negative vibes..... yep i agree with polite msgs from admin/moderators/ warnings etc. hey i hope i'm haven't offended anyone through any of my posts. slm Zara |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/08/01 at 10:53:36 |
| [quote]i guess i don't surf the board heavily enough to have picked up negative vibes[/quote] I think this new war has brought on the negative vibes, I can remember b4 the war(Sept 11) things were a bit okay. But since then it has degenerated into something not quite right. If you look at the Ummah Community centre its evident in there we are fighting each other, there used to be a time when we were agreeing with a lot of points but now its a different story. So many hearts, so many minds in conufson out there in the big wide wworld and on this very board. If this new war has done anything, then it has broken the brotherhood and sisterhood in Islam. Quite a sad time when Muslims are plotting against each other. If I've said anything in my previous posts that upset any of you please forgive me. Hanif |
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| Hania |
| 10/08/01 at 11:04:42 |
Thank you to everyone who has made comments about my 'cruel' idea. I now feel like Anne Robinson from the weakest Link. Goodbye. |
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| dolunay |
| 10/08/01 at 13:45:55 |
| As Salamu Alaikum...I think or I feel, I'll be the first member where fall in this rule of Madinat Al-Muslimeen..Besides all are informed.wassalam |
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| amal |
| 10/08/01 at 16:59:27 |
| slm, [quote]If you look at the Ummah Community centre its evident in there we are fighting each other, there used to be a time when we were agreeing with a lot of points but now its a different story[/quote] Br. hanif, nobody is fighting nobody.We have may have disagreements on the certain issues. Some of us, believe that killing civilians is wrong according to the hadith and ayat that prohibit the killing of innocent lives and in light of the fatwa from Sh. Yusuf al-qardawi.I feel this way no matter the identity of the victims,whether they be palestinians, iraqis ,bosnians, albanyans, chechnyans,somalis,afghanis, and yes even americans. However, no one is denying that the attack against afghanistan is WRONG.To me that too comes under killing innocent lives. A murderer is a murderer no matter their claims for the legitimacy of the act. Thus, i really don't see this fighting that you're talking about. All the scholars are unanimous on the attack against Afghanistan walhamdulillah and so are most muslims. I agree with you that some muslim leaders have not exhibited an examplary conduct in dealing with this siutation,and i pray that Allah(swt) guides them.But as far as this board is considered i don't see anything that threatens the ties of brotherhood and sisterhood in islam.On the contrary, if anything this board is an example of how muslims can have legitimate disagreements and still unite when the situation calls for it as in the tragic events that are taking place as we speak. Anyways, i ask Allah's forgiveness if i said anything wrong and the people's forgiveness if i offended anyone. Allahumma ansur al islama walmuslemeen.Ameen. |
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| flyboy_nz |
| 10/08/01 at 18:15:13 |
| [quote]Thank you to everyone who has made comments about my 'cruel' idea. I now feel like Anne Robinson from the weakest Link. Goodbye. [/quote] Salaam, sis please forgive me if my post upset you and I'm sure the others would ask your forgiveness as well. I was just expressing my feelings at the time. The idea does have merit and I think the concept of holding a trial is a good one...makes it like a real community where the people are the jury. Hey we have the weakest link in NZ too, but the host is different :) |
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| Hania |
| 10/09/01 at 04:50:13 |
[quote] sis please forgive me if my post upset you and I'm sure the others would ask your forgiveness as well. I was just expressing my feelings at the time. The idea does have merit and I think the concept of holding a trial is a good one...makes it like a real community where the people are the jury. Hey we have the weakest link in NZ too, but the host is different :)[/quote] Oh Bro I'm so sorry if I sounded upset. I wasn't, I was just joking, but since you are offering an apology could you get down on your knees and do it :) So who is the scarey NZ presenter? |
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| se7en |
| 10/09/01 at 06:01:35 |
| [quote]As Salamu Alaikum...I think or I feel, I'll be the first member where fall in this rule of Madinat Al-Muslimeen..Besides all are informed.wassalam[/quote] wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatAllah, I don't know why you would think this. If you follow the rules of the board, inshaAllah you should be fine. |
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| dolunay |
| 10/09/01 at 15:15:29 |
| Salaam Alaikum [quote] I don't know why you would think this. If you follow the rules of the board, inshaAllah you should be fine. [/quote] Sis I did just thought or feel. Maybe I'm wrong...Wassalam |
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| flyboy_nz |
| 10/09/01 at 16:07:10 |
| salaam, [quote]Oh Bro I'm so sorry if I sounded upset. I wasn't, I was just joking, but since you are offering an apology could you get down on your knees and do it So who is the scarey NZ presenter? [\quote] *laugh* hey don't push it Sis I don't get on my knees for anyone 'cept Allah. the NZ presenter tries to be scary but is such a laugh..i think her name is Louise Wallace. |
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| eleanor |
| 10/11/01 at 13:31:01 |
| slm [quote] I'm so sorry if I sounded upset. I wasn't, I was just joking, [/quote] That's good to know. I got really worried when I read your reply too! I thought you were offended. Wow, I think we're all a little hypersensitive these days! Take care everyone! We have the Weakest Link here too but the presenter is also the presenter of an afternoon talk show so she's not scary at all. In fact she's rather pathetic. Then again the Weakest Link is shown at three o'clock in the afternoon. We wanted to have a similar game here on the board after the success of Who Wants to be a Mu'min, but it never came about. wasalaam eleanor |
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| Hania |
| 10/11/01 at 15:31:11 |
[quote]slm I'm so sorry if I sounded upset. I wasn't, I was just joking, That's good to know. I got really worried when I read your reply too! I thought you were offended. Wow, I think we're all a little hypersensitive these days! Take care everyone! We have the Weakest Link here too but the presenter is also the presenter of an afternoon talk show so she's not scary at all. In fact she's rather pathetic. Then again the Weakest Link is shown at three o'clock in the afternoon. We wanted to have a similar game here on the board after the success of Who Wants to be a Mu'min, but it never came about. wasalaam eleanor[/quote] hehehe 'Who wants to be a Mu'min' who thinks of these topics :) No I wasn't offended sister Ele, I'm not usually offended about anything, but nowadays whenever I see George Bush on TV I just want to throw the remote control at it. Then whenever I go out, I'm just so fed-up of the stares and dirty looks, yesterday my friend tried to wear her scarf for the 1st time and she got spat at, now she's petrified to put one on :( I guess pple on this board have become pretty sensitive and saddened. And perhaps this board has lost some of its cheery glow and chirppy fun threads, but its just so hard to be happy when your thoughts think of other things. Ok maybe we should start a new game to get everyones spirits back. Any suggestions on the name Sis Ele? Hania |
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| bhaloo |
| 10/11/01 at 15:45:35 |
| slm [quote] I guess pple on this board have become pretty sensitive and saddened. And perhaps this board has lost some of its cheery glow and chirppy fun threads, but its just so hard to be happy when your thoughts think of other things. [/quote] That's very true, and I was trying to explain this concept to some other people, explaining why there are all these posts in a particular folder as compared to others. Insha'Allah there will be some "cheery glow and chirpy fun threads". |
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| eleanor |
| 10/12/01 at 05:23:21 |
| slm [quote] I'm not usually offended about anything, but nowadays whenever I see George Bush on TV I just want to throw the remote control at it. [/quote] I hear ya! I have never hated anything as much as I hate the smirk on his face. hmm, a new game? I'm putting my thinking cap on.. wasalaam eleanor |
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