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| Hania |
| 10/07/01 at 12:24:14 |
| I was just watching Bush's address to the nation. Its just so sad how they are going to destroy the whole of Afghanistan, by blowing it all up. And his words of assurance that they will only blow up targeted camps in retaliation for the Sep 11th attacks doesn't seem like a justification for this animal behaviour. Do two wrongs make a right? Further reassurance for his actions is bought on by the fact that on alternative days they will be dropping food packages while on the other days of the week they will be dropping bombs. :( I just feel so sad. Hania |
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| Saleema |
| 10/07/01 at 13:29:11 |
| [slm] :( What can I say? What can I do? I feel so helpless. May Allah give victory to the Muslims and protect the Afghanis. Ameen. In India, the banned the Muslims students associations. And the students are protesting. Two thing migh happen: (1) The Indian intelligence will plant bombs and blame it on the Muslim students and that will be their proof to the American government that they have terrorists living amongst them also. (2) Or some Radical Hindu organization will do it and blame it on the Muslims and try to achieve the same outcome as I wrote above. (3) Or some idiotic, ignorant Muslims will do this and Indian government will seize the oppertunity to clamp down on Muslims in India and Kashmir. (4) No mention of Radical Hindu groups terrorist activities will be mentioned, cuz, hey we can't bomb India now can we? [wlm] |
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| DaSouljah |
| 10/07/01 at 19:29:52 |
| Surat al-Fil In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. 1. Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with the possessors of the elephant? 2. Did He not cause their war to end in confusion, 3. And send down (to prey) upon them birds in flocks, 4. Casting against them stones of baked clay, 5. So He rendered them like straw eaten up? No Fear, but NO COMPLACENCY! |
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| Saleema |
| 10/07/01 at 13:42:25 |
| When they brought the news of the disastrous effort of the American special forces in their Jumbo (elephant in Swahili) helicopters to free the American hostages in the embassy in Tehran to Ayatulla Khomanie he recited surat al-Fil ! Yeah, and remember how the CIA went to rescue the hostages as well and came running back to America with no hostages. But they just wanted the hostages, they didn't dare to think of launching an all out war on Iran. They are doing it on Aghanistan. But thanks soldier. Those words gave me a sense of hope for the time being anyway. [wlm] |
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| Saleema |
| 10/07/01 at 14:05:28 |
| http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?story=98178 An airport is being built by the Northern Alliance with the support of America, to launch it's attacks from there. And Iran will also supply arms to the Northern Alliance. What's with this two faced policy? On the one hand the Irani government is saying that they will not help America, on the other hand they are helping the Americans through indirect help. I'm so sick. Believe it or not, that's the end of the Taliban. [wlm] |
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| Hania |
| 10/07/01 at 14:22:03 |
| This poem really struck me when I read it. Blind Lies He gazes absently at his red-stained hands, Apparently unaware of the writhing bodies around him. He is numbed, and feels no remorse -- no pain. The fallen are numbers -- Simply unavoidable "collateral damage." And he is blinded -- not by the will to survive -- For it is a one-sided war; But by the attempt to strengthen an id, The attempt to gain and exert supreme power, And for the sake of selfish material obsessions. The world catches no glimpse of the continuous Pain and suffering of those caught in the middle. All we see is a man named "hero," Cheered by people who are ignorant of the truth. Shereen El-Kadi |
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| Saleema |
| 10/07/01 at 14:32:54 |
| But let me make it clear, there IS a dinstinction between the Taliban regime and the Afghani people I just want to make one thing clear and we can drop this subject from the board: The American government was not asking for Iran's help against the Afghani people, they asked for Iran's help against the Taliban government. [wlm] |
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| DaSouljah |
| 10/07/01 at 15:11:54 |
| That is what the American government stated, but is that what they intend to do? |
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| Saleema |
| 10/07/01 at 16:34:45 |
| That is what the American government stated, but is that what they intend to do? Following that line of thought, every government's actions can be questioned and indeed they should be. [wlm] |
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| DaSouljah |
| 10/07/01 at 16:48:19 |
| What exactly do you mean? I stated that because of America's double standards. They say 'we want peace' but yet they suppport Zionism. |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/07/01 at 17:06:38 |
| [quote]I'm so sick. Believe it or not, that's the end of the Taliban[/quote] NEVER, SIS NEVER. Down to the last man they will fight. And forget the kufr with their mighty plans, Allah is the best of planners. If they fall another nation will rise, don't worry. Who knows Sis Shawar the muslim world will rise, Slow it may be, but once the sleeping tiger is aroused there will be no end, insha-allah. As for Iran well they are with the ones who supply arms against the Taliban and lets not forget who the dark dealers are in this pact. Russia(crimes against checychan) India(crimes against Kashmir). Iran should take heed otherwise very soon it'll have a problem in its own back yard. The blag flags will soon rise.... |
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| Hania |
| 10/07/01 at 17:36:05 |
| I have two questions. They’re hypothetical and I’m not asking them to justify the action’s of any party, I just want to satisfy my own curiosity. 1) Imagine on September 11th in Afghanistan, three Air Afghani planes crashed into the ‘World Taleban Centre’. The American militant group ‘The Texans’ had allegedly plotted for this terrorist attack. The evidence to support the fact that this was a Texan attack was known to leaders in the East but the information was withheld to the public. What would you suggest Afghanistan do from here? Would it be justifiable for them to attack Texas? 2) What is the shariah (islamic) law against terrorism? IF the Taleban were guilty for the attack how would Islam deal with them in a court of law for their actions? People seem divided. Some are in full support of the Taleban and agree with them for the attacks. Others have completely condemned the attacks and have said terrorism is not part of Islam. So how should an Islamic nation deal with the terrorists? |
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| BroHanif |
| 10/07/01 at 17:54:04 |
| [quote]2) What is the shariah (islamic) law against terrorism? IF the Taleban were guilty for the attack how would Islam deal with them in a court of law for their actions? [/quote] Present the evidence and the trials can be started. If one does not present the evidence how can a trial come about ? America should have gone to Afghanistan and discussed the options with the taliban. But they don't want to deal with the Taliban, they see them as a illegal government, so no talks, no negotations just send em half million pound cruise missle to the Afghani people. Bin Laden was wanted but in Islam you simply can not hand over people just like that, even if u did a crime in your country the respected authoritys would come to your house to take you to the police cell or to a court of law. What the Americans had to do was the same, just simply go to Afghanistan, present the evidence and a trial would then be set up. The Taliban also discussed early in the days before the strike of a Sharia court being held in saudia but again this was flatly refused by the US. Think about it, if the Taliban carried on the way they were doing then the spread of Islam may have touched upon Pakistan and Uzbekistan. Pakistan has a couple of nukes at its disposal, what do you think of an Islamic Nuclear power ? Or even worse what if in ten years time the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan dissapeared ? It would become a small Islamic super power. Surely, this is not in the interest of the wide world. Anyway the above are my thoughts solely... but do think about the situation... Hanif |
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| DaSouljah |
| 10/07/01 at 18:23:23 |
| Im no expert but the killings of innocent civilians is haraam in Islam. |
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| DaSouljah |
| 10/07/01 at 18:33:18 |
| Allah is surely the best of planners. We should all look back in history. Islam will prevail under any circumstances. We can go back to Karabala and look at that example. We can even look at more recent history like the occupation of Southern Lebanon when Hizbollah brought the Zionists down to their knees, the Islamic Revolution in Iran when the US was hopeless, and finally when the Soveit Empire (super power) was dismantled by the freedom fighters. As we can see in all scenerios we (Muslims) were outnumbered but we prevailed. We must keep our faith in Allah and we WILL be successful. Allah is surely the best of planners. |
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| Rashid |
| 10/08/01 at 00:10:10 |
| [slm] It's sad how Bush and his team have learned absolutely nothing from this. They think they can solve problems with million dollar missiles and planes, when this is how this all got started in the first place. What are Bin Laden's grievances against the US? 1- Military presence in saudi. 2- Continued military support for zionists. 3- Continued sanctions against Iraq. Will Bush ever sit down and think that maybe, just maybe, these 3 acts are wrong? I highly doubt it. Let us all remember that money makes the capitalist world go round and weapons makers, plane manufacturers, missile engineers, etc stand to make millions through "a long sustained effort" So they rain down bombs on Afghanistan, as if that will make the Taliban just roll over and give up. If Bin Laden or Mullah Omar are killed, will they not become heroes? Think of the thousands of refugee children who are now in the madrassas ready to become the next taliban generation. So what if they dispose of the current Taliban? They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. If they lose their lives fighting for Islam, they gain jannah. What could be better? So basically the vicious cycle continues. In the 80's the US sided with the mujahideen to get back at its communist enemy. Now they are siding with the northern alliance to get back at its "terrorist" enemy. What makes the US think the alliance won't turn against them in the future? I see the same old pattern repeating itself. Take note how they want to divide Afghanistan along ethnic lines, something America owns the copyright on. "the Taliban are Pashtun, the Alliance is Uzbek and Tajik" Obviously muslims killing muslims is part of the plan. However, we can take comfort in the fact that "they plot, and Allah plots, and Allah is the best of plotters" [wlm] |
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| Abid |
| 10/08/01 at 01:58:32 |
| AoA brothers and sisters The daily Jang (Pakistan) has reported that US has deployed neutron bombs in the former SOviet Republics. Does anybody have confirmed reports about this? What will US gain by using those bombs, they cannot even let their ground forces go into Afganistan if they have used these bombs. Anyway, let us be steadfast and pray to Allah SWT. Wassalam |
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| slime |
| 10/08/01 at 07:24:00 |
| salam, i agree with br. rashid. i personally think that bin laden dint even do these attacks. as twisted as it sounds..i dont think he did it. if he believes in Allah and he's willing to die for Allah, he wouldn't lie to us. quoted from his statement on msnbc.com: As to America, I say to it and its people a few words: I swear to God that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine, and before all the army of infidels depart the land of Mohammad, peace be upon him that is all he wants, but America won't agree to it. |
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| princess |
| 10/08/01 at 11:05:51 |
| as'salaamualikum ;-D i didn't want to make a new thread for this..sorry :) feamanAllah ;-D ~~~~~~~ http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170583.html Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack By Brian McWilliams, Newsbytes NEW YORK, NEW YORK, U.S.A., 27 Sep 2001, 11:48 AM CST Officials at instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks. Citing a pending investigation by law enforcement, the company declined to reveal the exact contents of the message or to identify the sender. But Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two hours prior to the first attack. Diamandis said the sender of the instant message was not personally known to the Odigo employees. Even though the company usually protects the privacy of users, the employees recorded the Internet protocol address of the message's sender to facilitate his or her identification. Soon after the terrorist attacks on New York, the Odigo employees notified their management, who contacted Israeli security services. In turn, the FBI was informed of the instant message warning. FBI officials were not immediately available for comment today. The Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. Diamandis said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message. In addition to operating its own messaging service network, Odigo has licensed its technology to over 100 service providers, portals, wireless carriers, and corporations, according to the company. |
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