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| Of Fitnah and Rejection |
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| Barr |
| 10/24/01 at 09:44:55 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, I have a question. I'm sorry, but I can't find the exact hadith. Perhaps, some kind soul can post it up? :) Jazakallah :) There's a hadith that goes smt like this... "If a man whose deen you're satisfied with comes to propose, and that proposal is rejected, then, there would be fitnah to the world." 1) What is the Fitnah? 2) Does it apply to a sister who refused to be introduced to a brother eventhough the recommendation is "good"? (ie. it's not a proposal, technically, but the introduction is in view of marriage.)? 3)And what constitutes this man "whose deen you're satisfied with". Is it a generally saleh man? Or what? ie. can we be more selective than choosing just a generally saleh man... though, one would have no problems with the level of his deen, but prefers someone with more qualities? 4) What are the conditions implicated in the hadith that needs to be fulfilled before the fitnah happens? errr... I hope I've not being blurry and make sense, inshaAllah. If anyone do have any insights in this... please do share. Thank you. Jazakallahu khair :-) |
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| assing |
| 10/24/01 at 13:16:19 |
| As salaammu alaykum, this hadeeth you are refering to here: "If one whose religion and character pleases you proposes to you, you should marry him. If you do not do so, them will be tribulations in the land and great evil." Has been narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, At Tirmidhee and Abu Dawud. As for the fiqh of the hadeeth as your question indicates, i do not want to much into this topic for it has been one that is over-killed, especially on this board. 1) What is the Fitnah? Fitnah here refers to fornication being widespread and people lacking modesty. This is what Mabarakphuri said regarding this hadeeth in his explaination of As Sunan At Tirmidhee. This will be so because the only ones who will be considered for marraige wil be those possesing wealth and status, and if such is the case most of the women will remain un-married and the men will be without wives, thus this leading zina, and other great types of fitnah which corrupts the land as is quite obvious especially in our times. 4) What are the conditions implicated in the hadith that needs to be fulfilled before the fitnah happens? The conditions that has to be fulfilled before such a situation takes place is as mentioned in the hadeeth; 1.) He posseses deen and 2.) good behaviour. However, if one is lacking in the person, then this rebuke from the messenger (saw) should not apply to the one who rejects such a person proposal. This is because i remember one of my teachers saying it could be a brother has deen, {ilm, knowledge} but his adaab is horrible {and unfortunately there are many of them out there}, and on the other hand a person can posses good character but he is jaahil about his deen, he does not pray, he commits all the haram...................the whole 9, he might be "a very sweet brother" but he has no deen, thus such persons do not apply in this hadeeth. As for question 2. i would say everyone has to be able to decide that for themselves, it is hard for us to say. and 3 answer is within 4. I hope this helps. And Allah knows best. |
| NS |
| Re: Of Fitnah and Rejection |
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| *sofia* |
| 10/25/01 at 15:21:52 |
| Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah, JazaakAllahu khairan, bro Assing and sis Barr, interesting topic. As a follow up question, what's the deal with proposals from brothers who "possess deen", but maybe not at the same level (or anywhere close) as the sister they're proposing to? Does it fulfill the condition of possibly promoting "fitnah"? Allahu'alim, don't meant to complicate things by throwing this curve and I know this is a fiqh-type q, but in case it's obvious to some... |
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| Barr |
| 10/27/01 at 06:42:35 |
| Assalamu'alaikum :-) Jazakallah, Br Assing :) There are certain things that I don't quite understand. Perhaps you can help me? [quote]This will be so because the only ones who will be considered for marriage wil be those possesing wealth and status, and if such is the case most of the women will remain un-married and the men will be without wives, thus this leading zina, and other great types of fitnah which corrupts the land as is quite obvious especially in our times.[/quote] Coz...rejecting a "good deen" brother does not equate to accepting a "bad deen" brother. In this case, you mentioned "only those with wealth and status would be considered". However, I feel that the dynamics are less simplistic as that. Allahu a'lam.... I don't know. [quote]what's the deal with proposals from brothers who "possess deen", but maybe not at the same level (or anywhere close) as the sister they're proposing to? [/quote] ermmm... if sisters wish to marry someone of higher deen, why can't brothers do the same? I think the deal is perhaps, they wanted to get closer to Allah by marrying her, inshaAllah. Boils down to niyyah (intentions). I agree with Br Assing on ilm(knowledge) and akhlaq(character), for it is linked with iman...but these are parts that interlink with many other things that make a person and his deen, and hence my question. But of course, I understand that this is not a black and white matter. Just seeking to understand the dynamism of this hadith. Allahua'lam wassalam :-) |
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